|
ruaware
Registered: 06/30/16
Posts: 383
|
. 1
#23811674 - 11/08/16 04:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
.
Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 01:53 AM)
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: ruaware] 1
#23811825 - 11/08/16 06:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I guess it is consistent with how we visualize space from all of our senses, including and maybe starting with the spatial visualization that occurs as we move our eyes in their sockets to sweep the space around our head/body.
by sensing those eye-sockets with the spatial visualizations that come out of vision and hearing - we become virtually bolted onto our 3-d space map.
Being deaf and blind probably suggests that there is no 3-d space map but some other virtual time/space/interaction map that would probably be hand and mouth focused.
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
zzripz
Stranger


Registered: 12/23/08
Posts: 8,292
Loc: Manchester, UK
Last seen: 4 years, 7 months
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: ruaware]
#23812139 - 11/08/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
making us feel we live-in-the-head is exactly the purpose of the so-called 'educational' system. the image that comes to mind which is both sad and funny is of the remembrances of when I have seen cerebral types try and dance to groovy music. They look ridiculous because their heads are cut OFF from their bodies and senses, feeling--so they prance about all looking like disjointed octopuses on speed. No sense of rhythm, timing, feel. 
Think of Descartes, 'i think therefore i am'. IE his very thinking process cuts itself off from its host, the living organism and environment, the organismenvironment, and other species, and from there assumes a superiority over what it thinks are mechanical.
As well as he have come other 'thinkers' who have ingrained this division which is mind-control!
Edited by zzripz (11/08/16 09:25 AM)
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger


Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,812
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: ruaware]
#23812754 - 11/08/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
When a deaf person thinks, they see sign language. Same thing applies, they see sign with there eyes light goes into their eyes, deep inside the skull.
Light receptors in the back of the eye process the light they receive into visual information. The Suns light doesn't go past the back of the eye. Someone completely deaf and blind still has 6 senses.
Taste, smell, touch but there is also vestibular(ear balance), Proprioception(where your body is in space), and Stereognosis which is the ability to conceptually visualise a three dimensional object.
A blind person likely retains stereognosis and any 'visuals' they experience will be a result of their sense in Stereognosis.
Quote:
Stereognosis: the mental perception of depth or three-dimensionality by the senses, usually in reference to the ability to perceive the form of solid objects by touch.
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: sudly]
#23813153 - 11/08/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
you know this whole thing about perception being equated to a sense is wrong.
eg. you have the sense of hearing you can hear someone talking and the voice you hear can be recognized or perceived as being your mother's voice - it is the same as the voice you know is your mothers... you do not sense it is your mother's voice - sensing is more related to transduction of the actual sound to the brain.
what the person (your mother) is saying becomes perceived through your language memory which means to say you have learned to interpret these words.
you do not actually hear that "it is time to go to bed", but you do perceive it after a brief moment, specifically after you hear/sense the sound of your mother's voice.
in the same way, the sensing of 3-d space is more of a perception since the primary senses are contributing to the overall 3-d mapping perception in your brain which uses memory references to provide the model...
one of the senses that is very ignored is the sense of time passing (from the cerebellum) - this primary but internal sense is critical to our ability to learn and comprehend language as well as to physical coordination, and the prediction of trajectories of objects being tracked by vision and the 3-d mapping perception.
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
bigdoodie
it does not matter


Registered: 06/24/16
Posts: 238
Last seen: 6 years, 10 months
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: ruaware]
#23813693 - 11/08/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
The voices in our head are the result of trying to decide what opinions we agree with so that we can later use them to manipulate the views that people have of us, we want everyone to agree with us so we try and come up with the best way to please everyone. Opinions lack any real truth so they'll always lead us to confusion, desire for distractions, and depending on society to answer our questions for us. for our true self to emerge we have to accept that emotions and opinions are abstract and deplete our sins long enough to see the supreme reality that we call God, and then that depth disappears and we gain 100% consciousness, which is probably the scariest thing that anyone can ever see in life- we are not the creature that we think we are, we should see our self no different than we see the other "aliens", we are no less intelligent, we have been programmed to the human condition that is entirely abstract.
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger


Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,812
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: redgreenvines]
#23813714 - 11/08/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Isn't perception the 'transduction' of senses?
You do hear the sound waves of the words "it is time to go to bed" and you transduce it into the meaning that is is time to sleep.
Sense of time is likely the result of the vestibular, proprioception and stereognosis senses working together. These senses can process where ones body and head is in space and remember past experience to predict where they will be in the future.
My assumption is that the memory of these three senses together are capable of being transduced into perceptions including that of time.
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: sudly]
#23813778 - 11/08/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
sudly said: Isn't perception the 'transduction' of senses?
You do hear the sound waves of the words "it is time to go to bed" and you transduce it into the meaning that is is time to sleep.
Sense of time is likely the result of the vestibular, proprioception and stereognosis senses working together. These senses can process where ones body and head is in space and remember past experience to predict where they will be in the future.
My assumption is that the memory of these three senses together are capable of being transduced into perceptions including that of time.
perceptions are just memories that fit well with your sensation the word 'perception' is not necessary although "to perceieve" is a satisfying sounding verb - certainly better than "to remember the meaning of" - the use of it is clouding things: what you call perception is the recollection of a memory that fits with the sensation.
sensation is transduced to the cortex from your sense organs, then memory is evoked that matches closely to the transduced sensory signals.
That memory is the perception whether or not it has words or feelings or other thought objects associated with it.
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger


Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,812
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: redgreenvines]
#23813806 - 11/08/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
The only confusing thing then is what is the difference between a perception and a conceptualisation?
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: sudly]
#23814109 - 11/08/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
any reply to your question requires conceptualization knowing it as a question from sudly is perception.
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
sudly
Darwin's stagger


Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,812
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: redgreenvines]
#23814213 - 11/08/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
So then where do we disagree?
-------------------- I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.
|
laughingdog
Stranger

Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: ruaware]
#23814629 - 11/08/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ruaware said: I was thinking about how it feels like we are living in our head, in the back of our eyes, in this vague area of the inner skull. ...
do you feel like that when you're eating and really tasting you food? or screwing? or shitting? Heck even engaging in a non sensory activity like solving an arithmetic problem, although it will decrease your body awareness, it won't make you feel like you're a doll in your head shoveling numbers!
Seems that although folks have a vague sense the self must be somewhere between the eyes behind the forehead, it's really just an assumption to cover up ignorance, as regards shaky assumptions about 'self'. I imagine a person who is enjoying say, skiing, doesn't feel they are in their head. It certainly doesn't bother children. So perhaps it is the result of not having enough enjoyable physical activity?
|
Finn and Jake
Adventure advocate



Registered: 08/10/13
Posts: 11
Loc: United States of America
Last seen: 2 years, 4 months
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: laughingdog]
#23828069 - 11/13/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Yea... the full body harbors thoughts and feelings as far as I can tell. Ever get a really good hip stretch? Moving awareness around willfully throughout one's body seems to be an interesting practice.
-------------------- Bacon Pancakes, makin bacon pancakes. Bacon pancakes, that's what I'm gonna a make!
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,539
|
Re: Some thoughts on our ego living in the brain [Re: Finn and Jake]
#23828180 - 11/13/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
that's the whole matrix conundrum in a nutshell: how do you know you are not in your head, or in some simulation. if it's working properly, you will not know. at least, at our current ratified science, we know it is in the brain, though not exactly how, and we know it is a convincing experience that is a union or yoga with the body.
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
|