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pasteurized cardboard?
    #23810280 - 11/07/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So i tossed some corrugated cardboard into a pot of water with some black tea and coffee grounds.  I let that sit on an electric stove on the lowest setting, being careful that it not boil for 1.5 hours.  I also set the oven on its lowest setting (200 degrees F) and let a colander sit in there for the duration.  I dumped the cardboard into the col lander and stuck it all back in the oven to cool.  While it cooled, i washed and rinsed a cheap plastic container with scalding water. Then i put some rubbing alcohol in the container, closed it, and shook it up for 30 seconds.  i poured out the alcohol and wiped the excess with a paper towel which i used to wipe down the outside of the container.  I used a hot soldering iron to poke some small holes in the plastic lid and covered then with band-aid brand adhesive bandages.  I separated the cardboard layers, placing the flat pieces on the bottom, and layering the corrugated layers with the corrugations perpendicular to each other.  in between each corrugated layer i squirted 1 ml pleurotus ostreatus Djamor LC.  I closed it up and stuck it in the back of a cupboard.

what's gonna happen?

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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23811368 - 11/07/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty sure that oyster is rip through that cardboard in a hurry. 
You should supply pix when it does! :smile:


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: theMickster]
    #23811415 - 11/07/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

that would be pretty cool.  how fast is "in a hurry"


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23813448 - 11/08/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It depends on the culture and conditions, but I would expect to see something moving within 48hrs.
Pink oysters are not as aggressive as other oysters but fast still in general.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: theMickster]
    #23815750 - 11/09/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i cant see very well through this semi-opaque plastic, and i'm tempted to open the top and peek.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23815948 - 11/09/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

there is a lot of condensation in the container.  there is mist on every surface.  is this way too wet?  if so, how do i dry it a bit without fucking it all up?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23816057 - 11/09/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have a SAB? Open it inside and leave it to grow and dry in the air.
Replace the lid and remove it when you think it is ready.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23817986 - 11/09/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have colonized reishi jars and am considering using pasteurized cardboard as well. I've just never done it before and know exactly sure what to do.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23818633 - 11/10/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cover a tote with blanket or use a cooler ,tear up cardboard, pour in boiling water let set till cool, drain excess water, Fill growing container with cardboard and spawn .


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Quadman]
    #23818651 - 11/10/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Go for recycled card or paper pellets, so much easier.

   

I suggest enriching paper or cardboard.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Quadman]
    #23821032 - 11/10/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Cover a tote with blanket or use a cooler ,tear up cardboard, pour in boiling water let set till cool, drain excess water, Fill growing container with cardboard and spawn .




(I'm a noob but these are my concerns)

1) I don't think you can just use any old cardboard. Cardboard from China has dangerous toxins in them. From what I understand they're not suitable for this.

2) Also, aren't there specific ratios you must adhere to in order to successful fruit? Like for every quart of spawn you use 2 quarts of substrate (in this case cardboard)

3) I only have 1 pint of colonized reishi wbs and I don't think it's enough. Might have to do g2g to more jars. Is it enough?

4) I sorta lied in my previous post. I DID try this before in a small container but got black pin mold. The holes in the container weren't covered though but I didn't think it mattered. This guy (https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13387956/fpart/all/vc/1) did it in a bucket and didn't cover any holes.

5) I was thinking of buying vermiculite and sawdust to be used as substrate. Planning a monotub grow. I prefer conks over antlers but I don't care. I just want to grow something.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23821136 - 11/10/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I have colonized reishi jars and am considering using pasteurized cardboard as well. I've just never done it before and know exactly sure what to do.



When you make up your mind and want input I or someone else I'm sure will help.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Quadman]
    #23821159 - 11/10/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

1) most Chinese cardboard originates in US , guess you have to test it if that is a worry
2) no specific ratio , more grain more energy and faster colonization
Less grain with more substrate slower colonization easier to contaminate
3) see number 2
4) uncovered uncolonized substrate high chance of contamination
5) no need for vermiculite sawdust works ,use hardwood mulch if you want to add to sawdust


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Quadman]
    #23821181 - 11/10/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you read that post the member said he had mold at the holes.The bucket was 5 gallons of cardboard and he used 1 quart of spawn.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Quadman] * 1
    #23827622 - 11/12/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck balls! I was googling cardboard substrate recipes, and this is the first thread I got! lol

I will be joining you shortly, buddy. I have some recycling to do :wink:


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    #23827642 - 11/12/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23829718 - 11/13/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no sign of life of any kind yet.  the moisture issue seemed to mostly fix itself though.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23830179 - 11/13/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have an idea that oyster mycelium is going to rip right through that shit. Wait til day 3-4, I bet it will surprise you.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23832739 - 11/14/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So it's day 7 and i see something alive in there.  i'm a bit apprehensive because the only growth i see at all is a the bottom of the container where the most moisture has settled. Small white dots/blobs appearing at the edges of the cardboard where it touches the plastic.  none bigger than 1/16 inch.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23837624 - 11/16/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I spawned to bulk on Saturday and I'm slowly seeing growth. I think the problem on my end is that I didn't use enough grain. But it's colonizing slowly.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23837911 - 11/16/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Could be the resins, is it brown card? Take a sample and soak it in boiling water.
What colour does the water turn after soaking for a few hours?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23839212 - 11/16/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Day 9: nothing is really happening.  I was thinking of raising the temp in the cupboard by placing heated water bottles in there.  anyone got a better plan?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23844132 - 11/18/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So it's day 7 and i see something alive in there.  i'm a bit apprehensive because the only growth i see at all is a the bottom of the container where the most moisture has settled. Small white dots/blobs appearing at the edges of the cardboard where it touches the plastic.  none bigger than 1/16 inch.




Have any pictures?

Honestly, if you don't have growth yet, I'd bet your LC had bacteria in it. Maybe suck some sterilized gentamicin sulfate water into the LC syringe and let it sit for a few days, then try again... or start from scratch. If I were you, I'd colonize a grain jar and use that to spawn.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23847381 - 11/19/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well in my case it's been a week. Have reishi mycelium germinating all over (looked like this was going to be a successful grow) but now I'm noticing small black spots on the bottom of the substrate where some water has settled. I'm guessing that my substrate took too long to colonize so now contaminants show up.

When you spawn to bulk the incubation period should be a couple of days, right?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23847999 - 11/19/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I usually get 24-48 hours to see new healthy growth.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23848259 - 11/19/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

1) Next time I'm going to use more spawn to speed up colonization. More spawn = more inoculation points.

2) People often drill holes on the underside of their container to drain excess moisture. The idea of leaving an open, exposed hole like that makes me uncomfortable as mold can get in there. Is there another way to deal with excess water?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23848414 - 11/19/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How much card and water are we talking here, and how are you assembling the card?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23849037 - 11/19/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well in my case it's been a week. Have reishi mycelium germinating all over (looked like this was going to be a successful grow) but now I'm noticing small black spots on the bottom of the substrate where some water has settled. I'm guessing that my substrate took too long to colonize so now contaminants show up.

When you spawn to bulk the incubation period should be a couple of days, right?




What do you mean by incubation period? You're not adding heat are you?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23849277 - 11/19/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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So it's day 7 and i see something alive in there.  i'm a bit apprehensive because the only growth i see at all is a the bottom of the container where the most moisture has settled. Small white dots/blobs appearing at the edges of the cardboard where it touches the plastic.  none bigger than 1/16 inch.




Have any pictures?

Honestly, if you don't have growth yet, I'd bet your LC had bacteria in it. Maybe suck some sterilized gentamicin sulfate water into the LC syringe and let it sit for a few days, then try again... or start from scratch. If I were you, I'd colonize a grain jar and use that to spawn.




Yeah, like all fools, i've been trying to get around buying a cheap PC.  Hence the pasteurized cardboard attempt.  gonna just have to bite the bullet i suppose.  Gotta do something before these syringes go bad on me.  I got them as a gift, and the phoenix oyster seems like its grown quite a bit in the fridge.  Someone went to the effort of making those syringes and mailing them to me, so i don't want them to go to waste, even though i'm not geared for a grow.  (no SAB, no PC, No SFGC, no nothin')


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23849291 - 11/19/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Run through my pocket guide, there is a whole bunch of open air safe substrates you can start with.
Read it all, understand it, then practice with open safe small grows, then move up.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23849338 - 11/19/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

cool, i'll read through it.  The T-Gel and T-Agar threads are what got me thinking about trying to use the cardboard in the first place.  I wonder if between the coffee grounds, black tea, and the tannin present in the cardboard just drove my PH way too low for anything to live.  I didn't add anything to buffer the PH, though i could have got some soda ash from my work.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23849369 - 11/19/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have never tried brown card, But I know it is full of resins.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23849381 - 11/19/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

supposedly oysters can eat hydrocarbons, so i figured, "what's a little resin between friends?"


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23850419 - 11/20/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How much card and water are we talking here, and how are you assembling the card?




Well I used 1 pint of colonized wbs as grain. The amount of cardboard I used was roughly the same but a little more. I cut the cardboard up into small squares. Soaked them in boiling water for 90 minutes. Squeezed them to drain the excess moisture. Then layered them with the wbs in a small plastic container. I poked several holes along the sides of the container and covered them with micropore tape.

Now before I put the grain/substrate in the container I lightly sprayed the container with bleach water (and didn't wipe it off). I think this is where I screwed up. I figured it would evaporate. Perhaps that is what contributed to the excess water pooling in the container?

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What do you mean by incubation period? You're not adding heat are you?




I'm referring to the period after you spawn but before fruiting. No I'm not adding heat. The container is just sitting in my closet.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23850543 - 11/20/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The bleach isn't an issue, generally only an issue with fruits. To me it sounds like too much water.
Card is far too bland in nutrients to have high water content and get away with it.

Get a pillow case, or sock and squeeze out the water with your hands.
In fact pack an old sock fully, it will eat the cotton, card log.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23850958 - 11/20/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I still suggest my original post here. Fully edible to mushrooms.
Enrich with whatever, start with the T-Tek, then TGF-Tek.

Look in pet stores, pet sections in big shops.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23851292 - 11/20/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So rather than listen to advice (because i'm dumb like that), i opened up the container and squirted in 2 ml of phoenix oyster LC.  It's been less than 24 hours and i see some  white fuzz growing near the inoculation point.  Fingers crossed! maybe i can bumble my way through this after all!


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    #23851410 - 11/20/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So rather than listen to advice (because i'm dumb like that)



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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23851466 - 11/20/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So rather than listen to advice (because i'm dumb like that)



Fair enough, at least you are honest. Good luck then.




I'm just a hoarder by nature, and hate to throw things out that might still be of use. Also, i'm lazy.  Don't get your panties in a twist.  When this half-assed attempt fails, i'm gonna try T-Tek.  I'm gonna try using fish tank water to cook the pellets.  I have a tank with nitrates well above 160ppm (which is as high as my testing solution will accurately read). I haven't tested the phosphates, but I'm sure they are through the roof as well.


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    #23852461 - 11/20/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So it's day 7 and i see something alive in there.  i'm a bit apprehensive because the only growth i see at all is a the bottom of the container where the most moisture has settled. Small white dots/blobs appearing at the edges of the cardboard where it touches the plastic.  none bigger than 1/16 inch.




Have any pictures?

Honestly, if you don't have growth yet, I'd bet your LC had bacteria in it. Maybe suck some sterilized gentamicin sulfate water into the LC syringe and let it sit for a few days, then try again... or start from scratch. If I were you, I'd colonize a grain jar and use that to spawn.




Yeah, like all fools, i've been trying to get around buying a cheap PC.  Hence the pasteurized cardboard attempt.  gonna just have to bite the bullet i suppose.  Gotta do something before these syringes go bad on me.  I got them as a gift, and the phoenix oyster seems like its grown quite a bit in the fridge.  Someone went to the effort of making those syringes and mailing them to me, so i don't want them to go to waste, even though i'm not geared for a grow.  (no SAB, no PC, No SFGC, no nothin')




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    #23853051 - 11/21/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hmmmm...i haven't fucked with the reishi or the lion's mane yet...shoot me a :pm:


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    #23856305 - 11/22/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Go for recycled card or paper pellets, so much easier.

   

I suggest enriching paper or cardboard.


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Do you think recycled paperboard will work as well? I believe the cheerios box is made of the same material and I have some of those.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23856492 - 11/22/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The pellets are 100% chemical and wax free. The Cheerios box will have wax and other unknown materials.
This is the same for brown card, full of wood resins, and can be toxic, depending on origin.

If it's not in a natural form it must be non-toxic and chemical free.


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    #23859230 - 11/23/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I peeked inside today and there are now three points of growth all within an inch of each other.  no bad smells or obvious mold/bacteria yet, but i've opened it a few times now, so that's likely to change.


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    #23864062 - 11/24/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The pellets are 100% chemical and wax free. The Cheerios box will have wax and other unknown materials.
This is the same for brown card, full of wood resins, and can be toxic, depending on origin.

If it's not in a natural form it must be non-toxic and chemical free.




Alright I want to do another grow in addition to the cardboard. It seems some people use hardwood fuel pellets as substrate. Is this good?

https://www.amazon.com/CookinPellets-40PM-Perfect-Smoking-Pellets/dp/B00819OICI

40 pounds
100% hardwood

The famous pastywhyte used sterilized fuel pellets for his reishi grow: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19189163

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    #23864111 - 11/24/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Marty Mycfly uses mixed hardwood smoke pellets, amazing results.


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    #23864340 - 11/24/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes those are good! That's the exact same pellets I am using for my reishi grow.


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    #23864439 - 11/24/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Man do I feel for you guys. Hardwood fuel pellets are $4 for 40# here . Y'all need to take a trip for supplies.


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    #23865281 - 11/25/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wow that is cheap, is that mixed or single type hardwood Quadman?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23865313 - 11/25/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No guarantee, all of it smells like oak to me. If I order a ton they offer a discount.
I posted this in advanced food for thought:

St Louis Milo (56#) $3.10  wheat (60#) $4.13 per bushel
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    #23865339 - 11/25/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Still a great price, nice one.


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    #23868281 - 11/26/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'd like to revisit my 'water pooling' problem. Now that I think about it I don't believe that the cardboard was the problem. I believe it might have been trapped CO2. I'm using a small rubbermaid container similar to this (http://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/14754958?wid=450&hei=450&fmt=pjpeg). The cause of the problem might be my hole configuration. I used a small screwdriver to drill small holes along the container like so:



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All holes are covered with a small piece of micropore tape. I did it like this because I figured the mycelium would grow through the holes and grow out reishi conks. Did I screw up? Should I use another container? If so, how should the holes be arranged?

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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23868433 - 11/26/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cardboard isn't made to hold water. I did a test a few days ago, water holding is terrible.
The paper pellets I use are made using calcium, which is highly absorbent.

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    #23967525 - 12/30/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I found this after forgetting about my little project for a month.





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    #24161485 - 03/14/17 12:10 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

So, the original pastuerized cardboard did end up with mycelium colonizing much of it before eventually stalling.  I guess it was running into bacterial contams?  I dunno, it didn't smell bad.  Either way, I took some spent sunflower seed shells(i spit them out into a cup while i'm driving) and some old wood chip mulch, mixed them and pasteurized them.  then i took my cardboard and layered it with the mixture in a woven wood basket.  I put a garbage bag over it for the first night, and in the morning I decide to cut some holes in the bag.  The next day, I decided to remove the bag and place a plastic container over the top of the basket, leaving the bottom half of the basket exposed.  After a few days i saw growth on some of the new substrate and i cased it with maybe an inch of coir.  Every few days, i stick the basket under a plastic tote with an ultrasonic fogger for about an hour.  After about 2 weeks of that, this is what i have:











Seems contaminated with green mold at the edges of the basket.  I understand that I'm contaminating my workspace by not throwing this stuff out, but i'm just fucking around anyway, so whats gonna happen if i try to fruit this basket?  How do i go about that anyway?  just stick the thing on my patio and water it?

I had leftover cardboard and shell/mulch mixture that i stuck in a pot by my front door.  I also cased that with coir, and covered it with another pot.  I water it lightly every few days, but i don't see any growth at all.  i dug down past the coir the other day, and the cardboard pieces look the same as when i put them in there.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24161957 - 03/14/17 03:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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So, the original pastuerized cardboard did end up with mycelium colonizing much of it before eventually stalling.  I guess it was running into bacterial contams?  I dunno, it didn't smell bad.




What was the recipe, water content, and was it open to air?


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    #24162767 - 03/14/17 07:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Recipe per OP.
water content? i dunno, saturated.
Yes, it was open to the air.  No SAB, no glovebox.

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    #24163643 - 03/15/17 06:56 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, open air and coffee is a bad idea, coffee contains 28g of starch per 100g.
Open air and tea leaves will get moldy fast, but not bacterial fast.


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    #24163810 - 03/15/17 09:05 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

i have an open air coffee experiment at the moment actually, its working very well - the trick is to only add really small amounts of coffee to the myc so it only just covers it and scoop out any trich as it starts to inevitably show. Ive almost filled an ice cream tub up all done in open air - trich didnt get a foothold anywhere after i scooped the small germination sites. Just a few drops of metabolites at the bottom.


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    #24163879 - 03/15/17 09:30 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

That sounds right with using less, using 100% tea you get trace sugar, not enough to blow up common bacteria.
But it's certainly enough to blow up mycelium when other carbon (cellulose) sources are available.

I'm testing cyan spores on 100% tea in a clean setup to see if it germinates, soon.


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    #24192589 - 03/25/17 05:26 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

OK,

So i painted all that green shit with brine, which seemed to mostly knock its dick in the dirt.
Once it looked dead, i rinsed it off as best i could, soaked the whole basket under the tap, let it drain until it stopped dripping, and stuck it outside on the porch under an old broken tote.
I take the tote off and fan the thing whenever i happen to walk by., which is maybe 4-5 times/day.
Whenever it looks like it's drying out, i soak it under the tap again, which is once every couple days.
It has been 6 days.  What can i do to make this thing at least give me 1 mushroom so i can claim a moral victory here.











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    #24193196 - 03/25/17 09:31 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Can pleurotus overlay? lol

If you maintain humidity, and give it good airflow, the only other variable to adjust would be temperature.


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Can pleurotus overlay? lol

If you maintain humidity, and give it good airflow, the only other variable to adjust would be temperature.




so my "soak the whole damn basket" technique might not cut it humidity-wise then...
the whole shit is outside now and its warming up and drying out all next week around here.  I'm not sure how to keep the humidity up inside my crap rig while i'm at work.  Maybe stick a big tupperware full of wet perlite in there or something. or maybe stick the basket in an inch of water and let the wood soak it up over time.


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Can pleurotus overlay? lol

If you maintain humidity, and give it good airflow, the only other variable to adjust would be temperature.




so my "soak the whole damn basket" technique might not cut it humidity-wise then...
the whole shit is outside now and its warming up and drying out all next week around here.  I'm not sure how to keep the humidity up inside my crap rig while i'm at work.  Maybe stick a big tupperware full of wet perlite in there or something. or maybe stick the basket in an inch of water and let the wood soak it up over time.




Do you have a hygrometer? You can get them pretty cheap. They at least help get a ballpark of where your humidity is at. My first thought was a tray with perlite underneath the whole thing, if you have something big enough.

You could put holes just beneath the perlite's surface on the tray... That would give a bit of airflow through it, and increase FAE and humidity.


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    #24194559 - 03/26/17 12:02 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I have succefully been getting oyster fruits off pasturized cardboard with 0 contaminants on the cardboard substrates.  All I do is fill a 5 gallon bucket with water, cardboard, and half a cup bleach.  Soak for 2 hours then drain and press out the excess water & pack with grainspawn into produce bags from the grocery store and zip tie them or tie them off and poke a bunch of small holes all over the bag. I dont even rip the cardboard very small, the mycellium permeates it reguardless.  All open air, no flow hood or sterile tech.  They colonize quick but the yeilds arent good and I usually dont get a second flush.


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I have succefully been getting oyster fruits off pasturized cardboard with 0 contaminants on the cardboard substrates.  All I do is fill a 5 gallon bucket with water, cardboard, and half a cup bleach.  Soak for 2 hours then drain and press out the excess water & pack with grainspawn into produce bags from the grocery store and zip tie them or tie them off and poke a bunch of small holes all over the bag. I dont even rip the cardboard very small, the mycellium permeates it reguardless.  All open air, no flow hood or sterile tech.  They colonize quick but the yeilds arent good and I usually dont get a second flush.




If you're doing no sterile work, then you must be ordering all your liquid cultures to start, correct?


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No i do my cultures under sterile work, but after the grain is colonized i just layer maybe half a quart or less sometimes and pack the produce bags tight


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    #24230939 - 04/09/17 06:27 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hooray!  I finally have pins!  It only took 5 months, :burke:

I was hoping it would want to fruit through the gaps in the basket, but i only see pins coming straight up through the coir, so i think i'm gonna turn the whole basket on its side.











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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24236000 - 04/11/17 09:15 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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