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ballsalsa
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hmmmm...i haven't fucked with the reishi or the lion's mane yet...shoot me a
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ghaleon
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
#23856305 - 11/22/16 05:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: Go for recycled card or paper pellets, so much easier.

I suggest enriching paper or cardboard.
Substrate water guide:
x 1 Dry Substrate | 1 Part(s) | 50% Water. x 2 Dry Substrate | 2 Part(s) | 66% Water. x 3 Dry Substrate | 3 Part(s) | 75% Water. x 4 Dry Substrate | 4 Part(s) | 80% Water.
Examples:
160g dry + 160g water = 50% water. 160g dry + 320g water = 66% water. 160g dry + 480g water = 75% water. 160g dry + 640g water = 80% water.
Do you think recycled paperboard will work as well? I believe the cheerios box is made of the same material and I have some of those.
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
#23856492 - 11/22/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The pellets are 100% chemical and wax free. The Cheerios box will have wax and other unknown materials. This is the same for brown card, full of wood resins, and can be toxic, depending on origin.
If it's not in a natural form it must be non-toxic and chemical free.
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ballsalsa
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23859230 - 11/23/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I peeked inside today and there are now three points of growth all within an inch of each other. no bad smells or obvious mold/bacteria yet, but i've opened it a few times now, so that's likely to change.
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
#23864062 - 11/24/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ferather said: The pellets are 100% chemical and wax free. The Cheerios box will have wax and other unknown materials. This is the same for brown card, full of wood resins, and can be toxic, depending on origin.
If it's not in a natural form it must be non-toxic and chemical free.
Alright I want to do another grow in addition to the cardboard. It seems some people use hardwood fuel pellets as substrate. Is this good?
https://www.amazon.com/CookinPellets-40PM-Perfect-Smoking-Pellets/dp/B00819OICI
40 pounds 100% hardwood
The famous pastywhyte used sterilized fuel pellets for his reishi grow: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19189163
(I will probably end up just doing the damion5050 bucket tek since it's easier)
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
#23864111 - 11/24/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Marty Mycfly uses mixed hardwood smoke pellets, amazing results.
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
#23864340 - 11/24/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes those are good! That's the exact same pellets I am using for my reishi grow.
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Quadman
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Man do I feel for you guys. Hardwood fuel pellets are $4 for 40# here . Y'all need to take a trip for supplies.
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Quadman]
#23865281 - 11/25/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow that is cheap, is that mixed or single type hardwood Quadman?
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
#23865313 - 11/25/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No guarantee, all of it smells like oak to me. If I order a ton they offer a discount. I posted this in advanced food for thought:
St Louis Milo (56#) $3.10 wheat (60#) $4.13 per bushel Of course those are cash price farmer is getting at elevator. You would have to pay 50 cents to a dollar more.
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Quadman]
#23865339 - 11/25/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still a great price, nice one.
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
#23868281 - 11/26/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd like to revisit my 'water pooling' problem. Now that I think about it I don't believe that the cardboard was the problem. I believe it might have been trapped CO2. I'm using a small rubbermaid container similar to this (http://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/14754958?wid=450&hei=450&fmt=pjpeg). The cause of the problem might be my hole configuration. I used a small screwdriver to drill small holes along the container like so:

Red - lid Black - container Blue - holes
All holes are covered with a small piece of micropore tape. I did it like this because I figured the mycelium would grow through the holes and grow out reishi conks. Did I screw up? Should I use another container? If so, how should the holes be arranged?
Or perhaps CO2 buildup is not an issue?
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
#23868433 - 11/26/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cardboard isn't made to hold water. I did a test a few days ago, water holding is terrible. The paper pellets I use are made using calcium, which is highly absorbent.
Water capacity and holding ability rivals vermiculite.
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ballsalsa
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23967525 - 12/30/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I found this after forgetting about my little project for a month.


the black specks are coffee grounds that stuck to the cardboard.
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ballsalsa
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
#24161485 - 03/14/17 12:10 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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So, the original pastuerized cardboard did end up with mycelium colonizing much of it before eventually stalling. I guess it was running into bacterial contams? I dunno, it didn't smell bad. Either way, I took some spent sunflower seed shells(i spit them out into a cup while i'm driving) and some old wood chip mulch, mixed them and pasteurized them. then i took my cardboard and layered it with the mixture in a woven wood basket. I put a garbage bag over it for the first night, and in the morning I decide to cut some holes in the bag. The next day, I decided to remove the bag and place a plastic container over the top of the basket, leaving the bottom half of the basket exposed. After a few days i saw growth on some of the new substrate and i cased it with maybe an inch of coir. Every few days, i stick the basket under a plastic tote with an ultrasonic fogger for about an hour. After about 2 weeks of that, this is what i have:





Seems contaminated with green mold at the edges of the basket. I understand that I'm contaminating my workspace by not throwing this stuff out, but i'm just fucking around anyway, so whats gonna happen if i try to fruit this basket? How do i go about that anyway? just stick the thing on my patio and water it?
I had leftover cardboard and shell/mulch mixture that i stuck in a pot by my front door. I also cased that with coir, and covered it with another pot. I water it lightly every few days, but i don't see any growth at all. i dug down past the coir the other day, and the cardboard pieces look the same as when i put them in there.
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
#24161957 - 03/14/17 03:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: So, the original pastuerized cardboard did end up with mycelium colonizing much of it before eventually stalling. I guess it was running into bacterial contams? I dunno, it didn't smell bad.
What was the recipe, water content, and was it open to air?
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ballsalsa
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
#24162767 - 03/14/17 07:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Recipe per OP. water content? i dunno, saturated. Yes, it was open to the air. No SAB, no glovebox.
I'm not a cultivator, i just fuck around with things when i get a wild hair up my ass.
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
#24163643 - 03/15/17 06:56 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, open air and coffee is a bad idea, coffee contains 28g of starch per 100g. Open air and tea leaves will get moldy fast, but not bacterial fast.
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
#24163810 - 03/15/17 09:05 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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i have an open air coffee experiment at the moment actually, its working very well - the trick is to only add really small amounts of coffee to the myc so it only just covers it and scoop out any trich as it starts to inevitably show. Ive almost filled an ice cream tub up all done in open air - trich didnt get a foothold anywhere after i scooped the small germination sites. Just a few drops of metabolites at the bottom.
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Ferather
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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Mattisfat]
#24163879 - 03/15/17 09:30 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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That sounds right with using less, using 100% tea you get trace sugar, not enough to blow up common bacteria. But it's certainly enough to blow up mycelium when other carbon (cellulose) sources are available.
I'm testing cyan spores on 100% tea in a clean setup to see if it germinates, soon.
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