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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23837911 - 11/16/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Could be the resins, is it brown card? Take a sample and soak it in boiling water.
What colour does the water turn after soaking for a few hours?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23839212 - 11/16/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Day 9: nothing is really happening.  I was thinking of raising the temp in the cupboard by placing heated water bottles in there.  anyone got a better plan?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23844132 - 11/18/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So it's day 7 and i see something alive in there.  i'm a bit apprehensive because the only growth i see at all is a the bottom of the container where the most moisture has settled. Small white dots/blobs appearing at the edges of the cardboard where it touches the plastic.  none bigger than 1/16 inch.




Have any pictures?

Honestly, if you don't have growth yet, I'd bet your LC had bacteria in it. Maybe suck some sterilized gentamicin sulfate water into the LC syringe and let it sit for a few days, then try again... or start from scratch. If I were you, I'd colonize a grain jar and use that to spawn.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23847381 - 11/19/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well in my case it's been a week. Have reishi mycelium germinating all over (looked like this was going to be a successful grow) but now I'm noticing small black spots on the bottom of the substrate where some water has settled. I'm guessing that my substrate took too long to colonize so now contaminants show up.

When you spawn to bulk the incubation period should be a couple of days, right?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23847999 - 11/19/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I usually get 24-48 hours to see new healthy growth.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23848259 - 11/19/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

1) Next time I'm going to use more spawn to speed up colonization. More spawn = more inoculation points.

2) People often drill holes on the underside of their container to drain excess moisture. The idea of leaving an open, exposed hole like that makes me uncomfortable as mold can get in there. Is there another way to deal with excess water?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23848414 - 11/19/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How much card and water are we talking here, and how are you assembling the card?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23849037 - 11/19/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well in my case it's been a week. Have reishi mycelium germinating all over (looked like this was going to be a successful grow) but now I'm noticing small black spots on the bottom of the substrate where some water has settled. I'm guessing that my substrate took too long to colonize so now contaminants show up.

When you spawn to bulk the incubation period should be a couple of days, right?




What do you mean by incubation period? You're not adding heat are you?


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23849277 - 11/19/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So it's day 7 and i see something alive in there.  i'm a bit apprehensive because the only growth i see at all is a the bottom of the container where the most moisture has settled. Small white dots/blobs appearing at the edges of the cardboard where it touches the plastic.  none bigger than 1/16 inch.




Have any pictures?

Honestly, if you don't have growth yet, I'd bet your LC had bacteria in it. Maybe suck some sterilized gentamicin sulfate water into the LC syringe and let it sit for a few days, then try again... or start from scratch. If I were you, I'd colonize a grain jar and use that to spawn.




Yeah, like all fools, i've been trying to get around buying a cheap PC.  Hence the pasteurized cardboard attempt.  gonna just have to bite the bullet i suppose.  Gotta do something before these syringes go bad on me.  I got them as a gift, and the phoenix oyster seems like its grown quite a bit in the fridge.  Someone went to the effort of making those syringes and mailing them to me, so i don't want them to go to waste, even though i'm not geared for a grow.  (no SAB, no PC, No SFGC, no nothin')


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23849291 - 11/19/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Run through my pocket guide, there is a whole bunch of open air safe substrates you can start with.
Read it all, understand it, then practice with open safe small grows, then move up.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23849338 - 11/19/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

cool, i'll read through it.  The T-Gel and T-Agar threads are what got me thinking about trying to use the cardboard in the first place.  I wonder if between the coffee grounds, black tea, and the tannin present in the cardboard just drove my PH way too low for anything to live.  I didn't add anything to buffer the PH, though i could have got some soda ash from my work.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23849369 - 11/19/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have never tried brown card, But I know it is full of resins.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23849381 - 11/19/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

supposedly oysters can eat hydrocarbons, so i figured, "what's a little resin between friends?"


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23850419 - 11/20/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How much card and water are we talking here, and how are you assembling the card?




Well I used 1 pint of colonized wbs as grain. The amount of cardboard I used was roughly the same but a little more. I cut the cardboard up into small squares. Soaked them in boiling water for 90 minutes. Squeezed them to drain the excess moisture. Then layered them with the wbs in a small plastic container. I poked several holes along the sides of the container and covered them with micropore tape.

Now before I put the grain/substrate in the container I lightly sprayed the container with bleach water (and didn't wipe it off). I think this is where I screwed up. I figured it would evaporate. Perhaps that is what contributed to the excess water pooling in the container?

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What do you mean by incubation period? You're not adding heat are you?




I'm referring to the period after you spawn but before fruiting. No I'm not adding heat. The container is just sitting in my closet.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ghaleon]
    #23850543 - 11/20/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The bleach isn't an issue, generally only an issue with fruits. To me it sounds like too much water.
Card is far too bland in nutrients to have high water content and get away with it.

Get a pillow case, or sock and squeeze out the water with your hands.
In fact pack an old sock fully, it will eat the cotton, card log.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23850958 - 11/20/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I still suggest my original post here. Fully edible to mushrooms.
Enrich with whatever, start with the T-Tek, then TGF-Tek.

Look in pet stores, pet sections in big shops.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23851292 - 11/20/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So rather than listen to advice (because i'm dumb like that), i opened up the container and squirted in 2 ml of phoenix oyster LC.  It's been less than 24 hours and i see some  white fuzz growing near the inoculation point.  Fingers crossed! maybe i can bumble my way through this after all!


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23851410 - 11/20/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So rather than listen to advice (because i'm dumb like that)



Fair enough, at least you are honest. Good luck then.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: Ferather]
    #23851466 - 11/20/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So rather than listen to advice (because i'm dumb like that)



Fair enough, at least you are honest. Good luck then.




I'm just a hoarder by nature, and hate to throw things out that might still be of use. Also, i'm lazy.  Don't get your panties in a twist.  When this half-assed attempt fails, i'm gonna try T-Tek.  I'm gonna try using fish tank water to cook the pellets.  I have a tank with nitrates well above 160ppm (which is as high as my testing solution will accurately read). I haven't tested the phosphates, but I'm sure they are through the roof as well.


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Re: pasteurized cardboard? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23852461 - 11/20/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So it's day 7 and i see something alive in there.  i'm a bit apprehensive because the only growth i see at all is a the bottom of the container where the most moisture has settled. Small white dots/blobs appearing at the edges of the cardboard where it touches the plastic.  none bigger than 1/16 inch.




Have any pictures?

Honestly, if you don't have growth yet, I'd bet your LC had bacteria in it. Maybe suck some sterilized gentamicin sulfate water into the LC syringe and let it sit for a few days, then try again... or start from scratch. If I were you, I'd colonize a grain jar and use that to spawn.




Yeah, like all fools, i've been trying to get around buying a cheap PC.  Hence the pasteurized cardboard attempt.  gonna just have to bite the bullet i suppose.  Gotta do something before these syringes go bad on me.  I got them as a gift, and the phoenix oyster seems like its grown quite a bit in the fridge.  Someone went to the effort of making those syringes and mailing them to me, so i don't want them to go to waste, even though i'm not geared for a grow.  (no SAB, no PC, No SFGC, no nothin')




If you want, you can send them to me, and I can put them on master slants and make duplicates for you. I have a flowhood.


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