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JingleJoe
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: Morel Guy]
#23809828 - 11/07/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find that if your mind is in the right place beforehand, the mushrooms strip away any facade you're putting up (the false self) and reveal your true self, show you how much of an arsehole you've been and give you the perspective to avoid getting into unnecessary fights or destructive behaviour patterns.
Research a little about the false self, adaptation to threats which are no longer present and things like sophistry or fallacies. Soon they are stripped away and what's left is your true self and I can't tell you what that is
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Dmt_psilocybin
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: Morel Guy]
#23809839 - 11/07/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: It's a state of being that leads to an eternal existence that no longer reincarnates.
It's an eternal state.
What we live reincarnates because we have not obtained eternal enlightenment. Destined to be reborn doing the same old crazy things, however modified they might be.
Enlightenment is freedom. But it's only in the spiritual sense/world. Enlightened people still have to deal with the same shit we do. They simply don't care.
That's your personal interpretation of it. That is not the definition.
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Morel Guy
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What the hell do unelightened people who write definitions know about what they haven't accomplished?
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: Morel Guy]
#23809909 - 11/07/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: What the hell do unelightened people who write definitions know about what they haven't accomplished?
I have accomplished it Just not eternally I accomplish every time I meditate correctly. Obviously you haven't either. Thanks though.
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: Morel Guy]
#23809918 - 11/07/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: It's a state of being that leads to an eternal existence that no longer reincarnates.
It's an eternal state.
What we live reincarnates because we have not obtained eternal enlightenment. Destined to be reborn doing the same old crazy things, however modified they might be.
Enlightenment is freedom. But it's only in the spiritual sense/world. Enlightened people still have to deal with the same shit we do. They simply don't care.
Enlightenment is like crossing a certain level of spiritual understanding. To use an analogy it's like becoming a professional at something. Once you're a professional blank you'll always be a blank whether you practice or not. That doesn't mean you'll never forget aspects of it and have to look at a reference, it doesn't even mean you retain any of the actual information, it just means that you understand something to a certain capacity.
It doesn't mean you'll never suffer again in the sense that you will not experience pain, sadness, etc, and to say you no longer care isn't quite accurate either I would say. It's like saying a professional knows everything about their field so it no longer takes effort. That does not mean their field never expands and likewise you can always become more enlightened. Enlightenment does not stop, it's not a place and there is no end just as once you become a professional in a field you are at the top and you don't move immediately to retirement, it's a process, it's the beginning of something else. Or perhaps you can said it's the realization that there is no beginning or end. That's my view anyway.
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: krypto2000]
#23809927 - 11/07/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Go look up the thread "A true master never proclaims enlightenment" if you really wanna get deeper than what's been said, read there, because mushrooms will not just make you enlightened. Psychedelics let you ask the right questions but they sure don't give you the answer.
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I would only be satisfied with being able to access states of ecstasy at nearly every attempt. With or without outside chemicals.
There is no state more enlightening than ecstasy. It has nothing to do with MDMA.
You will not achieve a true nirvana that comes with enlightenment wih drugs. Nirvana from drugs is illusive and does not persist forever.
Nirvana cannot be disturbed. Nothing more disturbing than sobriety.
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: mantis83]
#23810031 - 11/07/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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mantis83 said: hello,
I was wondering if Its possible to achieve some kind of enlightenment through magic truffles and/or mushrooms? I've tried mushrooms a few times but never had this experience that people refer to as "ego-death". Would love to experience complete enlightenment someday.
Thanks for listening and have a good day
Yep, self awareness and appreciation of nature are mostly what you'll get if you keep good vibes in a safe environment where you won't be interrupted or at risk of being caught with illicit substances.
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: Morel Guy]
#23810211 - 11/07/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you read Carlos Castaneda? Journey to the IXtan talks in some good detail about what you're asking.
As far as I'm concerned, enlightenment is knowing that everything is absolutely okay, even though everything could end before you even had time to think.
I feel like most people think of enlightenment as something that will set them apart from everyone else, as if there's people hiding out just observing the rest of humanity from their enlightened pedistul. I'd like to think of it as something that brings more people together.
Shamanism in the case of Don Juan (from the book I referenced) almost seems to parallel mental illness at this point, because you literally have to erase everthing about yourself to become 'truly enlightened'
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Re: mushroom enlightenment [Re: krypto2000]
#23811104 - 11/07/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said:Quote:
Morel Guy said: It's a state of being that leads to an eternal existence that no longer reincarnates.
It's an eternal state.
What we live reincarnates because we have not obtained eternal enlightenment. Destined to be reborn doing the same old crazy things, however modified they might be.
Enlightenment is freedom. But it's only in the spiritual sense/world. Enlightened people still have to deal with the same shit we do. They simply don't care.
Enlightenment is like crossing a certain level of spiritual understanding. To use an analogy it's like becoming a professional at something. Once you're a professional blank you'll always be a blank whether you practice or not. That doesn't mean you'll never forget aspects of it and have to look at a reference, it doesn't even mean you retain any of the actual information, it just means that you understand something to a certain capacity.
It doesn't mean you'll never suffer again in the sense that you will not experience pain, sadness, etc, and to say you no longer care isn't quite accurate either I would say. It's like saying a professional knows everything about their field so it no longer takes effort. That does not mean their field never expands and likewise you can always become more enlightened. Enlightenment does not stop, it's not a place and there is no end just as once you become a professional in a field you are at the top and you don't move immediately to retirement, it's a process, it's the beginning of something else. Or perhaps you can said it's the realization that there is no beginning or end. That's my view anyway.

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Morel Guy said:
There is no state more enlightening than ecstasy. It has nothing to do with MDMA.
Good cause i literally just plugged E for the first time and i can now say its the single weirdest thing ive done in my entire life.
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