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Re: Are you a meateater or vegetarian? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23815859 - 11/09/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Why against vegetarianism for ethics? I always thought of vegetarianism as the more ethical choice.



I mean I feel that (assuming you accept reincarnation as a concept) then you should eat the best quality food you can as a human life is a rare one. If you believe that when we die, we have no soul and it just ends there, then this human life is still very valuable.

To me, one should eat the diet that suits them. THEN gear that towards making it ethical as possible. You eat ketogenic? cool just go for grass fed butter and beef. vegan works for you? cool

My gripe with vegetarianism and how it is presented in the spiritual community is that they often make you feel guilty etc if it doesn't work for you. vegan/vegatarian/pescatarian works amazing for me. but it has made a few people sick. And yes, I mean a well supplemented and well rounded vegan diet. with b12, good fats, and vitamin d3. And the irony is I am pretty much a pescatarian. so I am not one of those anti-vegatarian meatheads

https://www.amazon.com/Meat-Fix-Lifetime-Healthy-Living/dp/1849541396

but books like that are one anecdote in an ocean of anecdotes that show that vegan diets don't work for everyone. I think the user shroomism said he felt sick on a vegatarian diet. Moonshoe said he couldn't build muscle mass. the list goes on. Heme iron and protein, b vitamins and a few others are better obtained from meat


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Re: Are you a meateater or vegetarian? [Re: topdog82]
    #23815874 - 11/09/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't eat meat products.  I don't care what others eat, I'm just happy when there's a good vegetarian option at a restaurant.


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Re: Are you a meateater or vegetarian? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23816065 - 11/09/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I like veggie burgers.  But there is no way vegetarians are getting 50 grams of protein everyday and remaining under 2500 calories for males, 2000 calories for females.

I have a family member trying a vegan diet to lose weight.  Not so sure that's gonna work for him.  It's just as easy to over eat vegetarian or vegan.  In fact I find it easier to over eat because we crave protein.  I lost 90 pounds eating goat!  Almost 24 grams protein for 122 calories.  Only thing as good or better is a sea food diet and not fried.


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Re: Are you a meateater or vegetarian? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23816326 - 11/09/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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But there is no way vegetarians are getting 50 grams of protein everyday and remaining under 2500 calories for males, 2000 calories for females.





I buy these in single serve packets because I am lazy, one packet contains 20grms of protein and 100 or 120 calories per packet, I think the chocolate has 120 calories per packet, and the vanilla 100, mix with vanilla rice milk.  They don't taste like butthole, the vanilla taste smoother than the chocolate.  I am usually a chocolate fan, but for these the vanilla is better tasting. 

They also have one which is not sweetened, but that one is gnarly unless you mix your own smoothies with it. 



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Re: Are you a meateater or vegetarian? [Re: Lucis]
    #23816489 - 11/09/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.apredatorymind.com/Health_advice_from_Tesla.html

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HEALTH TIPS FROM NIKOLA TESLA

    Nikola Tesla maintained an exacting regimen of specific foods and very little sleep. Tea and coffee were evils while alcohol was the elixir of life.

    Meat is another food which he never touches, Dr. Tesla explained. Two quarts of milk a day provide him with all the proteins and calories he needs to remain alive, he said. Although as a rule he does not retire until 5:30 o'clock every morning, he gets up about 10 A. M. and feels full of energy.

    Between sips of the warm milk, he eyed the newspaper folk with their Scotch and sodas and confided that if he had not given up drinking alcohol with the enactment of Prohibition he would live to be 150 years old.

    "As it is, I believe my abstinence from alcohol during the latter part of my life has lopped off fifteen years from my life, and now I expect to live only 135 years," he remarked, "Alcohol is the elixir of life, but when this country passed the Prohibition Law I felt that as a patriotic American I should stop drinking whisky. I have not touched it since."
    —Tesla, 80, Reveals New Power Device. Says His Wireless Invention Will Gird the Earth With Energy for Industry. New York Times. July 11, 1936.

    In another interview, Tesla expanded on his vegetarian diet, described even more stringent sleep requirements and praised the virtues of taking an electrical bath.
 
    His diet is simple. He lives chiefly on vegetables, cereals and milk. The menu includes onions, spinach, celery, carrots, lettuce, with potatoes occasionally. Whites of eggs and milk complete the diet. There is no meat on his vegetable plate. He never smokes or tastes tea, coffee, alcoholic beverages or any other stimulant.
 
    "I sleep about one and one-half hours a night," the inventor says. "I think that is enough for any man. When I was young I needed more sleep. But age doesn't require so much. There are so many things to do I do not want to spend time sleeping needlessly. In my family all were poor sleepers. Time spent in sleep is lost time, we always felt."
 
    "But what is giving me more fun than anything I have done for a long, long time," Dr. Tesla explains, "is an electric bath which I hope to have ready for general use very soon.
 
    "It doesn't require much room. There is a platform on which the person stands. He turns on the current. Instantly all foreign material such as dust, dandruff, scales on the skin and microbes is thrown off from the body. The nerves, too, are exhilarated and strengthened. The 'bath' is excellent for medical as well as for cleaning purposes.
    —Dr. Tesla Visions the End of Aircraft in War. Every Week Magazine, Oct. 21, 1934.

    Chewing gum and tea were by far the greatest villains.

    It is in striking contrast in its medicinal and dietetic value to all other stimulants which, without exception, are injurious. Even smoking, snuffing or chewing tobacco will eventually impair the health, though not quite so much as chewing gum, which, by exhaustion of the salivary glands, puts many a foolish victim into an early grave.
 
    But by far the greatest number of victims are claimed by tea and coffee. Dr. Alexander Haig, foremost authority on uric acid and founder of his famous diet, says of the former: "Tea drinking is just like drug taking, in fact, and has just as terrible and fatal results."
 
    The truth about alcohol is that it acts as a caustic and a solvent. In small quantities it cleans and sterilizes the alimentary channels; thereby preventing infections, and proves a beneficial stimulant to thought, speech and physical exertion.
    — Chewing Gum More Fatal Than Rum, Says Tesla. New York World Telegram, Aug. 10, 1932

zeno chewing gum

    I'll leave the last words to those in Tesla's autobiography. In it, he speaks of the physiological effects of these demons.

    [Coffee and tea] These delicious beverages superexcite and gradually exhaust the fine fibers of the brain. They also interfere seriously with arterial circulation and should be enjoyed all the more sparingly as their deleterious effects are slow and imperceptible. Tobacco, on the other hand, is conducive to easy and pleasant thinking and detracts from the intensity and concentration necessary to all original and vigorous effort of the intellect.
 
    Chewing gum is helpful for a short while but soon drains the glandular system and inflicts irreparable damage, not to speak of the revulsion it creates.
    —My Inventions, The Autobiography of Nikola Tesla, compiled by Ben Johnston, Experimenter Publishing Company, Inc., copyright 1919




I have a lot of respect for Mr Tesla, but, reading what he had to say on the matters of health, I realise it's a subject no one really knows much about. Some are blessed with it, others are not.

And people like to do all sorts of things to feel righteous, and that's fine to, it's a good, exhilarating feeling. But so easily they can get arrogant about it.

There's times I'm eating one one ingredient on it's own to truely appreciate it. I've had the same pleasure from say, eating a grape, as I have minced beef, fried and on its own. I have had fond thoughts of that cow, and how it now lives on in me, just as those grapes do, and the bacteria that exists upon every surface, and not to mention yeast and other microbes that lead to natural fermentation, such as the ancient sourbeers, popular in Belgium, or pungent cheese.

Or today, eating brocoli in a sweet-ish mustard gravy that had been steamed, and just how very nice it was. Especially with some local pork.

A few years ago now, I conducted a private ceremony to mark what I felt was a significant period of time for myself. I went to a very special place, smoked salvia (which I have always felt was best on my own) and settled in for what turned out to be a very plesant ride, despite the biting cold wind at the time. As I drove back I wasn't fully with it, but fortunatly it was the dead of night, and I didn't meet a soul on the journey back home. When I got back, and as I drank a glass of water. I looked at the water, staring for a good long while, and I asked myself "At what point does this water become part of me, and when does it stop being part of me?" And I have had difficulty in finding a succinct answer not just to that, but to all the food, all the life, that has gone into me, and come out of me.



This image sums up a lot of how I felt about life, not just in the chemical process where food is ingested, excreted, and the soil used to grow new life, but in how thoughts, ideas, a smile, a feeling, money, are exchanged and flip from one toroid to another. Maybe some of thoise toroids merge as their bond becomes strong, not just with two humans loving one another, but an animal that is a pet, or a creature that is eaten. Likewise, there's bonds like that, strong ones, so say, fruit trees or bushes, if, like me, you really dig apples and melons.

It's something I don't think I'll ever have a definitive answer on, and that would be rather boring. Because when I have definite answers I feel no more curiosity on that subject.


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