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Has anyone entered negotiations before?
    #23808355 - 11/07/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Recently while under the influence of a plant I was mentally communicating with something that was trying to cut deals with me.  I was entertaining different offers, but I realized that I didn't have the foresight to see the true costs of some of the proposed arrangements.

When I started backing out, the entity was angry and made it seem like I had already committed and I remembered that I hadn't, so it was like a trick.  Then it tried to offer another deal, and I realized I was in over my head and I just started repeating, "There will be NO negotiations." and it kept offering worse and worse deals, while trying sleazy sales tactics.

I'm not sure if it was an aspect of myself or something outside of me, but just a heads up to anyone that reads this, NOTHING can force you to negotiate if you don't want to!  I felt like this was another stage in my magical development, handling a mid-boss or something.

Later on, I did make a deal, but on my terms.


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: vacantrain]
    #23808361 - 11/07/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

very interesting. still never encountered an entity myself.

aya or something?


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23808477 - 11/07/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
very interesting. still never encountered an entity myself.

aya or something?




I don't feel like it was truly an entity in the same way people on Aya or DMT experience.  Really hard to describe but it could've been negotiating with what aspects of myself are self-sabotaging.  Or it could've been outside of myself.


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: vacantrain]
    #23808484 - 11/07/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do you feel like it was related to The 5 Stages of Grief & Loss? Perhaps you were grieving the loss of your own ego...


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: Xero1]
    #23808515 - 11/07/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't experiencing ego death at the time, and my couple of ego deaths have been amazing experiences that I cherish, so I don't think so.  It's within the noise of the data that could be myself, but I feel like it might be the type of feeling that could've inspired the "deal with the devil" symbolism.  I didn't want to state that because I don't believe in the devil, but it might be a good shorthand to get to what I meant.


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: vacantrain]
    #23811349 - 11/07/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would say that sounds like Lucifer, The king of lies and of fallen angles.
This comes from a ex-phsyc-o-naut with experience as a medium with entities, so i am not just giving you the christian rap of satan wanting your soul. You are playing with in the house of the holy ghost inviting in negative forces into your life and tainting your soul.

Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
 
just a suggestion, do a 180 and look to god and Jesus Christ the salvation of man.
The mark of the beast in revelations has presented itself as well meaning Armageddon is near, you will know it if your unfortunate enough to have it pushed on you as i have.
Quotes from Revelation below. if you could spare time out of your day for one of these chapters i truly think you wont regret it. Mathew or revelation, not saying the whole bible, but these two chapters have insight for the soul

Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is six hundred sixty-six.

peace to you and yours
May god be with you


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: shroomekalb96]
    #23813659 - 11/08/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's real regular bad spirit occurrence.

They peddle.


From experience I've found they do any or all of the following:

* Offer seemingly special abilities as a reward for useabily (access and control of the mind).
* Try to pass off as the spirit of Jesus Christ.
* Try to pass off as the Holy Spirit.
* Control thought and present a supposed 'true' existence - a hell metropolis or abstract doldrums.
* Present themselves as the answer or the solution - the person that has always been there in the mind.
* Fabricate untruths or jarred truths about friend and loved ones in a bid to divide and conquer.


In many closed eye experiences, I can hone into a place which seems to be an Amsterdam red light district of spirit, where all lights are black light ultraviolet and neon.  In it, bad and seemingly 'poor' spirits peddle supposed abilities and try to pass off, with megre attempt as the Holy Spirit.  Sometimes it feels desperate, like a homeless person trying to sell a stone as a diamond to get food and shelter.  I can't help think the thing of interest is what we might label 'the soul'. At least, I know it's mind control that they seem to thirst. Perhaps just a 'mind for the day'?

The clairvoyant prostitutes lure you in to relinquish your soul with sexual prowess. Those demand more caution. :thumbup:


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23814907 - 11/09/16 01:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Duncan Rowhl said:
It's real regular bad spirit occurrence.

They peddle.


From experience I've found they do any or all of the following:

* Offer seemingly special abilities as a reward for useabily (access and control of the mind).
* Try to pass off as the spirit of Jesus Christ.
* Try to pass off as the Holy Spirit.
* Control thought and present a supposed 'true' existence - a hell metropolis or abstract doldrums.
* Present themselves as the answer or the solution - the person that has always been there in the mind.
* Fabricate untruths or jarred truths about friend and loved ones in a bid to divide and conquer.


In many closed eye experiences, I can hone into a place which seems to be an Amsterdam red light district of spirit, where all lights are black light ultraviolet and neon.  In it, bad and seemingly 'poor' spirits peddle supposed abilities and try to pass off, with megre attempt as the Holy Spirit.  Sometimes it feels desperate, like a homeless person trying to sell a stone as a diamond to get food and shelter.  I can't help think the thing of interest is what we might label 'the soul'. At least, I know it's mind control that they seem to thirst. Perhaps just a 'mind for the day'?

The clairvoyant prostitutes lure you in to relinquish your soul with sexual prowess. Those demand more caution. :thumbup:




I found your post interesting, I tend to really not be interested in Christianity-tinged perspective of the psychadelic, but I appreciate your food for thought.  If it was a Christian-ish archetype of a negative spirit, it would leave a few possibilities:

1) It is internal, ie, remnant Christianity meme that still lives in the edges of my subconscious even though I left Christianity over a decade ago for good
2) It is external, and on or off of the paradigm of Christness

Are you aware of if these trickster entities can read your mind?  If they have the ability to read our thoughts, they would know the best way for me to not take them seriously would be to appear as a Christ figure, this one was very secular, which implies it was myself internally, or some entity that knew me well enough to know the best avenue to manipulate me.

What I wonder if it is internal, if I would have to actually pay the "cost" proposed by the entity, if I'm just paying myself?  I feel like the only power they have is you choosing to hear them, in other words, they can only use their voice, they can't manipulate you into doing something you don't want, they can lie and give bad or incomplete information, but if the deal is on the table, it is up to YOU to take it or not.

I feel like this sort of thing is the cause of some people's bad trips, it made me feel like a bit of a master of my mind to get through it...yet I know eventually I'm going to get caught playing with fire, each time before it I wonder if it will be this time that I get burned.


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: vacantrain]
    #23814916 - 11/09/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

To get to brass tacks, I was offered a cure for my ADD without taking medication, which would really improve my life. :frown:


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Re: Has anyone entered negotiations before? [Re: shroomekalb96]
    #23815024 - 11/09/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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shroomekalb96 said:
I would say that sounds like Lucifer, The king of lies and of fallen angles.
This comes from a ex-phsyc-o-naut with experience as a medium with entities, so i am not just giving you the christian rap of satan wanting your soul. You are playing with in the house of the holy ghost inviting in negative forces into your life and tainting your soul.






You would say that's Lucifer?  OP presented an awfully thin amount of information for anyone to be able to say for sure what he's dealing with, perhaps you should rethink you statement, because it seems like you're pushing a Christian agenda, which might actually cause OP some grief later in life if he chooses to trip again, he will be thinking every shadow he sees is some made up deity, when in reality, at least in my opinion, it's just things he needs to deal with about himself, and not some mystical entity out to drag him to hell. 

Thinking like that breeds fear and confusion, OP's soul is just fine, and was never lost to begin with, don't ever doubt the power of the mind.

It's more logical to think that OP's mind has been conditioned from the Christian faith he left years ago, so anything negative he encounters will be attributed to the devil or demons of Christian stories, when what he's really dealing with is just a projection from his subconscious mind, he's creating the thing he's making a deal with, which is probably tied into the shadow side of his psyche.

I don't think a symbol like Lucifer to be damning to ones soul, because it's a symbol, and there's much to be learned from that story.

Lucifer, for myself that is, is a symbol of freedom, of breaking free from conventional norms.  You have regular society which I believe to be represented by God, then you have your free thinkers, those who choose to not conform to the masses around them in thought, those who choose to not follow, to think differently, they're Lucifer. 

Lucifer is a symbol for myself, a symbol of freedom from the oppression of societal norms, from herd mentality, from a mind which is conditioned from an early age by public school drivel, and religious tripe.

Don't get me wrong, school is great, and religions can benefit some people, but neither of those institutions hold the ultimate truths of reality.

I hope this post doesn't come off as being harsh, I have no ill will towards Christians, or any religious adept, just my opinion.


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