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rememberjimi
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I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff?
#23808274 - 11/06/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The reason I'm posting is because a few months ago, like 7 months actually, I took 8 tabs of LSD. Now, they were apparently double dosed, which as not known to me at the time, so I took 4 which was right about 3, which was previously my highest dose.
I am NOT spiritual. I am atheist, and I don't believe in god, the spirit realm, or anything like that. Not bashing, just speaking it how I see things.
However during the trip, (and it's a little hazy months later) I seemed to have what many would call "an out of body experience" and I saw things that were unexplainable. My consciousness trailed off into multiple directions and my thoughts were conjoined with my visions. All these things are very hard to explain but it was never just "seeing things and thinking weird things." It was like transcending into another realm of consciousness. How does one with no belief in spiritualism explain these things scientifically and rationally?
I also seem to suffer from negative side effects to this day, possibly from that trip. I haven't been normal since, completely. I hate life more, I hate people more. I see things in a different light, and I see the world as a more negative place ever since.
I just don't know. Could someone explain what happened to me? I can expand further on the trip if anyone has questions... IT was a very interesting experience I just don't have the time to type it all out.
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DuhItsMe
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: rememberjimi]
#23808471 - 11/07/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I totally get the atheist standpoint - though I wouldn't consider myself one (though theist or deist wouldn't quite fit either).
I often feel though that people who don't have any religious context to put these experiences in can struggle to integrate them. Not because these religions are 'right' but because they were the psychology of the day and modern psychology is still yet to explore these states properly. So in my humble opinion, here is an attempt to give you some religious structure to view from;
This hatred of life, and people is a normal part of so called 'spiritual' development. Look up the term 'dark night of the soul' and maybe listen to 'Ram Dass' on the subject (try youtube).
The buddhist doctrine of 'impermanence' would lay nicely here too, and Christianity will often talk about 'hating the world' or 'being in the world but not of it'.
In short, it's possible that your hatred of the world and people is because you have now seen through it. It is not as real and substantial as you once thought. It is the 'play of God' or the whirling of atoms, the display of neurons, etc. For a while, this will break your heart, that's fine. Soon it will not be hatred, but just un-involvement. I suppose the scientific way of putting it would be:
The universe is all there is. Any feeling of separation from the universe (the ego, the 'me' against the universe) is an illusion, it makes no logical sense. The reason you feel separate, like someone confronting the universe is because you (despite your logical thinking) still have the feeling that you are a soul in a body (due to the way in which you were brought up in a culture founded on these beliefs). Your culture and your friends still play this game, but you have seen through it. Reality will not be put in a nice neat box, why should a human be able to put the entire mystery in their head? The only true thing is the universe, nothing is separate. When the hatred passes, you will see the funny side. The universe grew eyes to look at itself, and it is looking through yours right now. Who can touch you? Who can harm you? Death? Haha, who dies?
There is only the universe, the only real 'Me' here is untouchable.
I don't think anyone will be able to tell you conclusively if you 'sailed the astral plane'. The brain is a big place, sounds like you had a good trip around it.
Hope that was at least entertaining if nothing else. I'd recommend daily mindfulness practice, exercise, regular sleep and only fruits and veg, the normal stuff.
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pineninja
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: DuhItsMe]
#23808479 - 11/07/16 02:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like your fighting against something that you considered to be one of your absolutes, your sense of self. For a long time I like you held the same atheist driven mantras and was quite resolute and comfortable with my lot. I like you after pushing the button had quite a hard time being able to reconcile the event with my life experience up to that point. The fundamental change I had to make to be able to once again function was the dismissal of myself as a past tense ie you can't unforget. There is nothing wrong with a total shakeup to your belief system nor your sense of self imo it's intrinsic to the human experience. With time to process and reassess I hope you can find a way of compiling your experiences and making a positive out of it.
This may sound confronting and may not be for everybody but it worked for me.
-------------------- Just a fool on the hill.
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littlespider
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: DuhItsMe]
#23808502 - 11/07/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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In short, it's possible that your hatred of the world and people is because you have now seen through it. It is not as real and substantial as you once thought. It is the 'play of God' or the whirling of atoms, the display of neurons, etc. For a while, this will break your heart, that's fine.
This gave me goosebumps.
I have somtimes felt pointlessness. I will die, everyone i know will die, the universe will unmake its self...but then it will all recycle and the big bag will bag again, entropy will reverse...i found some freedom in this. and i apply a sense of humour like the Buddhist joke "dont take life to seriously, its isnt perminent".
I do think a spiritual leaning helps integrate this sort of experience.
Seeing everything as the play, a dance, the tumbling of two lovers. The universe experiencing itself in every aspect of reality. even hate and negatively, a different step in the dance.
-------------------- remember what the dormouse said
Edited by littlespider (11/07/16 02:47 AM)
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ItWasTheCat
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: littlespider]
#23852253 - 11/20/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good post.
I am agnostic. I do not believe in any gods. I strongly lean toward atheism. However since both positions on the existence of God are unfalsifiable, I must reluctantly accept the inescapable truth that I cannot know, and thus be always open to new data changing my view.
I also feel that humans have a strong attraction to the mysteriousness inherent in our existence. We delight in this mystery. Our delight is communal and out of this religious traditions are born.
Being an atheist or agnostic should open us up to the possibility of the mystery of the human condition. We need not be limited by ready made answers to life's deepest questions.
And yet, so often we non-believers suffer from lives that lack meaning and the depression and stagnating effect comes from looking at one's meaninglessness.
And this is why it is so very important for atheists and agnostics to become familiar with the psychedelic experience. It feeds our need for mystery and wonder and opens us up to possibilities from which we tend to cut ourselves off.
And all while remaining rational!!! IT'S FUCKING GREAT!!!
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filthyknees
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: ItWasTheCat] 1
#23856440 - 11/22/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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In short IMO our existence as animals dictates we ignore 99.9% of info around us to make sure we 1)eat 2)sleep 3)continue living ect.
But when taking psychedelics consciousness is dilated and let's us see some percent more than what baseline consciousness would allow for. because we are vulnerable to predators if we where tripping in the wild there is no reason for us to have strong psychedelic experiences in the cycle of mechanical eating / procreation.
A lot of my visions on psychedelics occurring during paralysis are intense, sometimes having a clear message telepathically sent from the spirit, and other times I am not sure what is being shown to me.
So I believe sometimes it is a sort of reflection back from the spirit on us to show another way of living, and other times the visions are well beyond even our collective understandings.
Sometimes it takes months of reflection to make the connection to what I'm being shown, but that s my understanding now, that psychedelics are tools in evolution just like foods
I'm not religious btw
-------------------- But if you're in a hurry, and really got to go If you're in a hurry, might have to find out slow That it's one thing to try and another to fly You get there quicker just a step at a time It's one thing to bark, another to bite The show ain't over till you pack up at night
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: rememberjimi]
#24398453 - 06/12/17 12:55 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I found acid can leave you slightly not fully clicked back from some journeys and the next time you have it you click back in properly. I've experienced it and seen someone I know have the same experience. Hence I don't really like acid and who knows what crap is on the blotter any way since you didn't make it urself.
Mushrooms are the only true enlightening experience that hasn't left me ajar and I'd say go this way and leave the acid for the monkeys.
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Sleepwalker
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: Dream Master T]
#24398529 - 06/12/17 02:50 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dream Master T said: Hence I don't really like acid and who knows what crap is on the blotter any way since you didn't make it urself.
You can always use test kits. Those will at least tell you with some certainty what you have.
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: rememberjimi]
#24404480 - 06/14/17 07:41 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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rememberjimi said:
However during the trip, (and it's a little hazy months later) I seemed to have what many would call "an out of body experience" and I saw things that were unexplainable. My consciousness trailed off into multiple directions and my thoughts were conjoined with my visions. All these things are very hard to explain but it was never just "seeing things and thinking weird things." It was like transcending into another realm of consciousness. How does one with no belief in spiritualism explain these things scientifically and rationally?
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The answer to your question is you don't. Why do you need someone else to explain it to you 'scientifically' or 'rationally' whatever that is anyway. You were the one on the trip. What's rational about an lsd trip.
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Sleepwalker
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: DR_Shedev]
#24405100 - 06/14/17 12:12 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good point. It's like a dream. Take whatever you can from it symbolically and don't worry about it.
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Re: I need explanations of what happened to me on 8 tabs of LSD. I don't understand this stuff? [Re: Sleepwalker]
#24405505 - 06/14/17 02:51 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would recommend reading aldous Huxley's doors of perception and pay particular attention to the sections where he speaks about the mind at large and how we have a filter that only lets in a tiny portion of this mind at large as our organism is only interested in survival. This may give you some answers but will still leave you with questions.
It's The gift of being human or more specifically the gift of being the universe/multiverse.
Edited by PsycheUltimatum (06/14/17 02:51 PM)
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