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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Ezuma]
#23807204 - 11/06/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think you understood what I meant when I said as long as we are still here.
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Ezuma]
#23807214 - 11/06/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: tell him gods so big that everything we see is just a little piece of it
yeah this is even better. and its ok that he's in preschool, some mystery will be good for him. you dont want him thinking he grasps the idea of god anyways. I wish my parents told me that god's everywhere instead of the sunday school sillliness of god being the old judge in the sky.
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: moonrockmushy] 2
#23807219 - 11/06/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How does a 4 year old even ask about god? Someone already filled his head about the idea.
If adults can't explain the concept of god, why are they passing on the concept to their children?
A 4 year old asked a very rational question, where is this god? Now you have to explain to him it's a hypothetical human concept.
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moonrockmushy said: I don't think you understood what I meant when I said as long as we are still here.
I disagree though, even if we are god's creation, if we define god as a localized consciousness, if that consciousness dies, it's gone, even if things it made persist. If I have children, for instance, and then I die, I don't continue to exist in my children, the 'me' that was is no more, plain and simple
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Connoisseur]
#23807228 - 11/06/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: tell him gods so big that everything we see is just a little piece of it
Including you, me and this moment
Its all her/him
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: qman]
#23807232 - 11/06/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: How does a 4 year old even ask about god? Someone already filled his head about the idea.
If adults can't explain the concept of god, why are they passing on the concept to their children?
A 4 year old asked a very rational question, where is this god? Now you have to explain to him it's a hypothetical human concept.
well said
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: littlespider]
#23807235 - 11/06/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think god is like the chicken and the egg..they both kinda showed on the confines that both NEED to exist for both god and humans to exist
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23807247 - 11/06/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I think god is like the chicken and the egg..they both kinda showed on the confines that both NEED to exist for both god and humans to exist
except unlike the chicken and egg, you don't need god to explain humans. It's quite simple:
someone asks' why are there humans? you answer: because god. Then they ask, why is there god? The only answer: I dunno. much simpler to cut to the chase and simply say 'I dunno' before introducing any concept as hazy and unexplorable as a disembodied and non-falsifiable creator figure
not saying there categorically is absolutely no god, but just from the standpoint of logical argumentation, there is no sound case for god's existence. There may well be a god, but as a concept it is unnecessary and unhelpful really in approaching a working understanding of reality
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Connoisseur]
#23807257 - 11/06/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: tell him gods so big that everything we see is just a little piece of it
I think we may have a winner ladies and gentleman
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Ezuma]
#23807267 - 11/06/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ezuma said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: I think god is like the chicken and the egg..they both kinda showed on the confines that both NEED to exist for both god and humans to exist
except unlike the chicken and egg, you don't need god to explain humans. It's quite simple:
someone asks' why are there humans? you answer: because god. Then they ask, why is there god? The only answer: I dunno. much simpler to cut to the chase and simply say 'I dunno' before introducing any concept as hazy and unexplorable as a disembodied and non-falsifiable creator figure
not saying there categorically is absolutely no god, but just from the standpoint of logical argumentation, there is no sound case for god's existence. There may well be a god, but as a concept it is unnecessary and unhelpful really in approaching a working understanding of reality
Well i considered God something that cant be measured because of the same reason we cant record our trips to a certain device. Everyone is different so when you start making tools to understand God there is an instant "error".
Sort of like how if ghost exists nobody could take a picture of them on a camera phone.
Even though i dont believe in ghosts(because i have never seen one)i was just making a pont
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23807277 - 11/06/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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exactly though. God is often said to escape all conception and all definitions, which in my mind, means even if god is indeed real, it isn't a useful word or concept, I mean if it can't even be defined according to believers, what use is it in promoting understanding?
perhaps merely the presence of a mystery deeper than cultural structures is valid, I would myself say so, but then I would also say such a sense of mystery can be present without the need for deity (to me science for instance, can be seen as a deeply spiritual attempt at understanding existence) I suppose it is a cosmetic issue at its core
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23807280 - 11/06/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The main point is you need to know the whole thing in order to be able to have a perception of it If you dont reach 100 then you cant travel back to 1. That movement from end to beginning is God.
Thats why close-minded people make it impossible for them to ever become openminded.
You need the whole ribbon in order to be and see the whole ribbon.
Edited by Bill_Oreilly (11/06/16 04:26 PM)
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Ezuma]
#23807285 - 11/06/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: exactly though. God is often said to escape all conception and all definitions, which in my mind, means even if god is indeed real, it isn't a useful word or concept, I mean if it can't even be defined according to believers, what use is it in promoting understanding?
perhaps merely the presence of a mystery deeper than cultural structures is valid, I would myself say so, but then I would also say such a sense of mystery can be present without the need for deity (to me science for instance, can be seen as a deeply spiritual attempt at understanding existence) I suppose it is a cosmetic issue at its core
Good stuff. Honestly i tell this story all the time here which really wraps it all up in a bow about God
When i IVd 4-Aco-Dmt i asked at the peak "is there god and what happens when you die" and i instantly got this message back "we cant tell you that"
So i really think the mystery itself is MEANT to "lock us out" of the question. A mystery wouldn't be a mystery if it was solvable..yano?
Now i think i just got lucky somehow and was able to become aware of the object that is God while on mushrooms combined with DMT..But there is still so many unanswered questions about what i saw that day
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23807341 - 11/06/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd be like God is in ur tummy and then i'd start tickling em till they shit themselves from all the laughter..
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: zZZz]
#23807399 - 11/06/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23807410 - 11/06/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: zZZz]
#23807417 - 11/06/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My son asked his aunty "why cant we see God"
How'd you end up with such a smart kid?
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NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23807421 - 11/06/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Now i cant just say(until hes older..hes only 4)"well son, you need to smoke DMT and God will fly right up to your left eye"
so you need drugs in order to see god. that explains the bible
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: koods]
#23807431 - 11/06/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My son asked his aunty "why cant we see God"
How'd you end up with such a smart kid?
he asked me a few questions about God since before this happened. ever since he started sneezing and i taught him "God bless you" that kind of opened pandora's box. i plan to teach him things about himself and how people think and how everyone is so different. i plan to start with God at a young age, then when gets to about 7-12 i plan on teaching him about the self and finally after that i will introduce him to psychs when hes 17-18
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Challenge for all shroomerites [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23807434 - 11/06/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Now i cant just say(until hes older..hes only 4)"well son, you need to smoke DMT and God will fly right up to your left eye"
so you need drugs in order to see god. that explains the bible
Yep. "if you aint trippin you aint trying"
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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