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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: bruna]
    #23807221 - 11/06/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Does he practice any sports or do any training?  At least for me it was my way out from a long period of a dark and horrible mental state I was a few years ago (as I recall, it was almost 1 year like this, induced for using psychedelics).
Tell him to try that, even if he need to force himself doing it (as i forced myself also, but I'm glad I did...)

Hope it helps your friend as much as it helped me in the past!




Yeah, we have him doing cold showers, exercise, and are experiementing with food choices to try to normalize his hormons and neurotransmitters. Definitely helps.


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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23807617 - 11/06/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I made an account to post my trip report, and reply to this thread. I sincerely hope your friend gets better soon and that you figure out your own direction. I'd like to thank you for putting the fear of God in me again, so to speak.

I did my 6.5gram dose, got what I wanted and after reading this I think I might take my realisation and run.

Much love.




Probably the safest move when it comes to psychedelics "take the realization and run"

Indigenous people who used these things don't tend to do it every few weeks, a lot of them limit it to a few times in an entire life. I bet that lowers the chances of the negative results.


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that isn't necessarily true. Shaman, curanderos, ayahuasceros, etc generally have extensive experience with whatever entheogen they use. Of course they are not ordinary people but it still shows that they can be used often.

Also, in the native american church many members who are not shaman or healers but just ordinary church members will still attend many peyote ceremonies in a lifetime. A study found the average frequency with which they attended peyote ceremonies was once a month, which suggests many members attend more  often than that. that adds up to a lot of psychedelic experiences.


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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23807653 - 11/06/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Find a good Zen meditation teacher if you have a local monastery.  Daily Zazen(sitting meditation) , plus healthy diet, abstinence from all mood altering drugs, and a regular sleep/wake cycle and daily exercise that gets you tired from extreme exertion can benefit someone suffering from trauma from psychedelics immensely.


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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23807723 - 11/06/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that isn't necessarily true. Shaman, curanderos, ayahuasceros, etc generally have extensive experience with whatever entheogen they use. Of course they are not ordinary people but it still shows that they can be used often.

Also, in the native american church many members who are not shaman or healers but just ordinary church members will still attend many peyote ceremonies in a lifetime. A study found the average frequency with which they attended peyote ceremonies was once a month, which suggests many members attend more  often than that. that adds up to a lot of psychedelic experiences.




Good point, especially with peyote. Those fellas use that stuff a lot and don't show any negative symptoms.

I was thinking more along the lines of the soul-crushing experiences like high doses of iboga.

Shaman seem to be able to handle themselves on aya, so I guess you can train yourself, or be trained to handle these things.

Maybe it's the way we are using them here. Although I have seen some data that shows many of these shaman suffer from mental illnes and drug abuse (not with psychedelics generally, but with drugs like alcohol.) I don't know how good this data was though. I only saw it through the blinders I had on that veiwed psychedelics as a purely positive thing.


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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23807735 - 11/06/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Find a good Zen meditation teacher if you have a local monastery.  Daily Zazen(sitting meditation) , plus healthy diet, abstinence from all mood altering drugs, and a regular sleep/wake cycle and daily exercise that gets you tired from extreme exertion can benefit someone suffering from trauma from psychedelics immensely.




Well said. Can't think of anything better.

Great ways to imorove your quality of life.


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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23808026 - 11/06/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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that isn't necessarily true. Shaman, curanderos, ayahuasceros, etc generally have extensive experience with whatever entheogen they use. Of course they are not ordinary people but it still shows that they can be used often.

Also, in the native american church many members who are not shaman or healers but just ordinary church members will still attend many peyote ceremonies in a lifetime. A study found the average frequency with which they attended peyote ceremonies was once a month, which suggests many members attend more  often than that. that adds up to a lot of psychedelic experiences.




Good point, especially with peyote. Those fellas use that stuff a lot and don't show any negative symptoms.

I was thinking more along the lines of the soul-crushing experiences like high doses of iboga.

Shaman seem to be able to handle themselves on aya, so I guess you can train yourself, or be trained to handle these things.

Maybe it's the way we are using them here. Although I have seen some data that shows many of these shaman suffer from mental illnes and drug abuse (not with psychedelics generally, but with drugs like alcohol.) I don't know how good this data was though. I only saw it through the blinders I had on that veiwed psychedelics as a purely positive thing.




Terrence Mckenna said in South America a lot of ayahuasceros are alcoholics, but that doesn't mean they are alcoholics because of their use of ayahuasca.

I know that studies done on the native american church showed that peyote users had far lower incidences of alcoholism and mental health problems than the general native american population.


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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23809835 - 11/07/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How was he through the actual trip/experience?....Was it a usual trip for him, just left him out of sorts after?


....at what point did he or those around him notice something was askew?






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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: openmind]
    #23816279 - 11/09/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How was he through the actual trip/experience?....Was it a usual trip for him, just left him out of sorts after?


....at what point did he or those around him notice something was askew?






-OM


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it was normal until 3 hours in, his eyes went from dilated to full saucers. I was in the other room for a few minutes. he went from laying down smiling to sitting straight up with a look of terror on his face.

He sat there for a couple hours like that then he took a shower and went to bed and I wasn't able to get him to talk.

(sorry for posting this 2 days after the question was asked. I havent had a lot of tme for shroomery lately.)


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Re: Don't Spread The Word. [Re: dumbasswolf]
    #23823853 - 11/11/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dang thats shitty man. Hope he gets better soon. I'm wondering tho, has he told you what exactly he was pondering that triggered the traumatization?


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