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OfflineCory Duchesne
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in the shadow of Cannabis
    #23804579 - 11/05/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Rupert Sheldrake on Cannabis (Trialogues series)

 


"To say No when Yes would be a piece of selflessness, but also to say No as little as possible. To depart from that to which No would be required again and again.  The rationale is that defense expenditures, be they never so small, lead to extraordinary impoverishment.  Our largest expenditures are our most frequent small ones. Warding off, not letting come close, is an expenditure. A strength squandered on negative objectives.  Merely through the constant need to ward off, one can become too weak any longer to defend oneself." (Ecce Homo, Nietzsche)


Cannabis can be wonderful yet also an escape from developing or maintaining agility.  When one loses patience with people, the tendency is to lose emotional agility in exchange for radicalism and frankness.  Piss off people with rude and frank tongue?  The cannabis will help shrink your guilty conscience and your discordant relations.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #23807538 - 11/06/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The only issue with marijuana is the war on drugs in America fueled by pharmaceutical corporations and the private prison system.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: sudly]
    #23807584 - 11/06/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Our prison system isn't private, but the sprawling criminalization of illicit substances keeps large swaths of law enforcement afloat, and it is corrupt.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23807630 - 11/06/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not the whole prison system but a large portion of it is.
The drug war is putting non-violent criminals behind bars because it's good for corporate profits.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: sudly]
    #23807707 - 11/06/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You're right that the government contracts out, but wikipedia states that:

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The US Department of Justice statistics show that, as of 2013, there were 133,000 state and federal prisoners housed in privately owned prisons in the US, constituting 8.4% of the overall U.S. prison population.




So, while the whole thing is terribly corrupt, 8.4% doesn't seem like a large portion.

But basically I agree with you.  Legal marijuana, among other things, competes with alcohol and tobacco, painkillers, pharmaceuticals, and eliminates a huge infrastructure vis a vis the DEA, FBI and other federal institutions.  Full legalization of weed and other Schedule I substances would cost the American federal government, and many industries, many billions of dollars.  This is one of the reasons why there is so much resistance to it, but there are others as well.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23807809 - 11/06/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

8% is a lot when you take into account the high incarceration rates of America.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23807829 - 11/06/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23808768 - 11/07/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

so USA has more than ~2.3 million people incarcerated and mostly doing labor for free?

what a way to manage business/slavery.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23808893 - 11/07/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yep.  And almost five million on probation or parole.

If you come to the U.S., don't fuck up!  :cookiemonster:


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23809978 - 11/07/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Yep.  And almost five million on probation or parole.

If you come to the U.S., don't fuck up! 





Cannabis Use Is Quantitatively Associated with Nucleus Accumbens and Amygdala Abnormalities in Young Adult Recreational Users

On the other hand, this latest Harvard study (conducted primarily by an individual) has a positive outlook:

harvard-study: smoking-weed-improves-brain-functions

Frustrating to find contradicting results, but that’s what happens when two different parties use the same resource (positions in Harvard) to publish the effects of Cannabis on brain function.


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"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud." - Carl Jung

Krishna, as his friends called him, freely admitted his compulsive lying. He blamed it on simple fear of having his deceptions detected." NOTES OF A FRINGE-WATCHER MARTIN GARDNER on J Krishnamurti

"All your questions are born out of the answers you already have. Any answer anybody gives should put an end to your questions. But it does not." [UG-K]


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #23810010 - 11/07/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This was Australia's attempt to belittle the bud.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: sudly]
    #23819532 - 11/10/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

IME cannabis improves artistic and creative mental processes, and inhibits linear mental focus. For example jamming with a band, feel free to take a toke or two, taking a math test or driving, not so much, better to abstain. Other affects similar to good old EtOH, but milder. The illicit status of C Sativa is pure lunacy since the plant has many more uses besides a drug.

I mean think about it. It is the only plant that requires minimal care to grow, can be used to provide durable cloth fibers, can be made into a building material, can be made into very strong rope, can be used as a source of food that is perfect for human and most livestock needs, can remediate badly damaged soils, and be used as a drug that can relieve pain, anxiety, mental disorders, give creative inspiration, and even cure some types of cancer. You have to question the motivation on why a government would ban a plant that is very obviously a gift to the human race from a loving God.

BTW Lol at stoner sloth. I've seen people that gone before.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23821629 - 11/11/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Everything in moderation. As with all things, one must maintain a healthy balance.
Past a point of 'use' is abuse.

Some people indeed go too far and allow Cannabis to cast a shadow over their lives.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: phio]
    #23821646 - 11/11/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some people hold too dearly on to the anxiety they create in their fear and it's a harsh cycle to be caught it. Positive vibes and foundational values are a good way to manage oneself while using drugs like marijuana.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: sudly]
    #23821671 - 11/11/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Some people hold too dearly on to the anxiety they create in their fear and it's a harsh cycle to be caught it. Positive vibes and foundational values are a good way to manage oneself while using drugs like marijuana.




Indeed. However, there is a physical component to it which results in such manifestations...

It's an amplifier after-all.

With amplifiers, one should know their personal limits and maintenance levels.

One can address anxiety, vibes, and foundational values in their sober life.
True, fundamental foundations and positive vibes help one better navigate amplified waves. However, you could be fear and anxiety free and still get lost or drown as the drug itself maintains enough power to do so... Have to respect it at the end of the day and center on use not abuse.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: sudly]
    #23821673 - 11/11/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Some people hold too dearly on to the anxiety they create in their fear and it's a harsh cycle to be caught it. Positive vibes and foundational values are a good way to manage oneself while using drugs like marijuana.




Furthering your point :

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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #23822010 - 11/11/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Eywa_devotee said:
IME cannabis improves artistic and creative mental processes, and inhibits linear mental focus. For example jamming with a band, feel free to take a toke or two, taking a math test or driving, not so much, better to abstain. Other affects similar to good old EtOH, but milder. The illicit status of C Sativa is pure lunacy since the plant has many more uses besides a drug.

I mean think about it. It is the only plant that requires minimal care to grow, can be used to provide durable cloth fibers, can be made into a building material, can be made into very strong rope, can be used as a source of food that is perfect for human and most livestock needs, can remediate badly damaged soils, and be used as a drug that can relieve pain, anxiety, mental disorders, give creative inspiration, and even cure some types of cancer. You have to question the motivation on why a government would ban a plant that is very obviously a gift to the human race from a loving God.

BTW Lol at stoner sloth. I've seen people that gone before.




"Don't Fear The Reefer".

The motivation was to cut down trees to make paper because Randolph Hearst had lots of timberland and needed less competition from hemp.  Likewise, the cotton slave plantation owners or serf keepers needed to eliminate hemp clothes from the equation.  Even finding all cotton clothes now is hard as the petroleum industry pushes polyester as a somehow better fabric (cheaper?).  Also the folks that smoked weed were dudes that were largely of color and would come to the white suburbs and rape the white girls after a few tokes.  So that wasn't a good thing for the weed either, it's horrible effect on black males jazz music weed induced sexuality.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Cory Duchesne] * 1
    #23929599 - 12/15/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Dr. Gabor Mate on Cannabis and Addiction:


[url=
]Gabor Mate on Cannabis and Addiction[/url]


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #23932838 - 12/16/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Eh, it makes people stupid in the long term.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #24553259 - 08/14/17 01:36 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/DAT-03-2017-0014

While research has consistently identified an association between cannabis use and psychosis, few studies have examined this relationship in a polydrug context (i.e. combining cannabis with other illicit substances).

Psychosis risk may be associated with the cumulative effect of poly-drug use.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Cory Duchesne]
    #24553513 - 08/14/17 03:28 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

The potential of "descent into psychosis" is certainly there when you want to fix things that are unsatisfactory, and think it might be done with substances,
then to become frustrated by "no fix is good enough" so you take more and mix and continue to slide into dreams of impotency and self defeating reactions.

meanwhile unsatisfactoriness is the norm, and you need to sober up sometimes and build your strength and integrity, and go clean up the garden.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24553996 - 08/14/17 06:37 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

It is not the drug that is to blame, it's the idiot who can't control it.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Intense City]
    #24554570 - 08/14/17 10:10 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't it kind of a trip that weed is still illegal?

The beliefs/values our societies have to this day about states of consciousness..

If anything makes your head wonky it is trying to wrap your head around these views of normalcy.

For individual people who have problems with weed, but still enjoy it, (as the posters above said) I think it is just learning to have the slightest self control. There is a simple formula, for most anxieties that come through cannabis. Smoke less, observe more. In my experience, the only shadow of cannabis is its actual medicinal quality.

I guess it takes a little bit for such smart people today to figure out what they want. I wish someone told me the trick of microdosing psychedelics back in the day. For me they came through party and beer drinking culture and general illicitness.


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Re: in the shadow of Cannabis [Re: Intense City]
    #24555613 - 08/15/17 11:43 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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Intense City said:
It is not the drug that is to blame, it's the idiot who can't control it.




More specifically, it's the person who is grasped by the egoic, immature concept of a 'heroic dose' who inevitably ends up in a state out of their control.

Tales of mushroom and LSD consumption resulting in police storming dorms or finding oneself 'walking down the street' have seemingly become the juvenile fashion anecdote.


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