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Obama commits felony on live TV * 1
    #23804478 - 11/05/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=47397

I guess he told illegals to go out and vote.

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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23804495 - 11/05/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh no.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
    #23804511 - 11/05/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

watched video: analysis:

he didn't encourage anyone to vote. he said "when you vote you are a citizen", ie, that when you are in the US, you are not limited in your movement, so you can freely go and vote. it was in response to the question, "if i am x, y, and undocumented, does all my information get documented ect, will someone deport us?", and Obama goes "no".

end of story. you can all watch the video. it's about Obama talking about how voting is confidential, and that the voting laws do not put burdens on people to have their information scrutinised simply for voting.

there was no incitement.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804525 - 11/05/16 07:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ya the Fox News delusion persists to hear what none sense their delusion persists as.

You cannot register to vote if you are not a citizen.  Good grief


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23804542 - 11/05/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Non citIzens can vote in many areas for local races like mayor and city councilors. Depends on the local laws.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
    #23804547 - 11/05/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cut the shit ...
The question was framed clearly.
Questioner : There are alot of undocumented 'dreamers' in this country who contribute blah blah blah. (Essentially an illegal immigrant). They're worried about voting because they feel if they vote they'll be scrutinized and found out.

K, pause... You're only allowed to vote for the Federal election if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.
That's the law and he should have stated it clearly. However, he's a Graduate from Harvard Law and has an Agenda and knows how to state things that are against the law in contrived terms..

So..

Obama replies : Not true .. When you vote you are a citizen...
Essentially saying, no one knows whether or not you're an illegal or illegally voting.
He goes on to comment : No one checks it even scrutinizes it. So, the vote is confidential.

Illegals can acquire IDs and all sorts of credentials that allow them to vote when they are not citizens. Obama is telling them. No worries. It is assumed that you're a citizen when you vote. No one even checks to make sure you are one. So go ahead and vote if you're an illegal and managed to find a way to vote.

His Law degree affords him the ability to state something blatantly illegal in legally contrived terms and he did just that. Has for most of his time in office.

Seems you need to re-watch the video. The reporter framed it in clear terms and in his coined way he responded in unclear terms conveying in crafty ways how to circumvent or find the loophole in the law to achieve ones goals.

Harvard Law school for you.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio] * 3
    #23804551 - 11/05/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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K, pause... You're only allowed to vote if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.




Not true. I really wish conservatives would take a fucking civics course. You know so little about the country you live in


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804559 - 11/05/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

K, pause... You're only allowed to vote if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.




Not true. I really wish conservatives would take a fucking civics course. You know so little about the country you live in




You know little about federal laws as that's what were speaking about not whether jim bob gets to manage the local township....

Case and point :
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-1000-illegal-votes-cast-eight-virginia-localities/

"The problem is most certainly exponentially worse because we have no data regarding aliens on the registration rolls for the other 125 Virginia localities.”

"It’s a felony for non-citizens to vote in Virginia. But in Virginia, no proof of citizenship is required when voters register."
^this is what Obama was slyly referring too when he said 'when you vote, you're a citizen'.

But... please tell me about the Civics courses I missed.
Willful ignorance is just that and I see right through it.



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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804562 - 11/05/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Bill, I am legit, you have seen a taste of heaven in its terrifying and beautiful nature. You have seen it too, kind of a war, but in all honesty, I think Obama should just come to my house and shake my hand.

If that happens, good fortune upon this world will persist


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804565 - 11/05/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Y dont yall just leave obama alone, ya big bullies


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #23804568 - 11/05/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Rhizohunter said:
Hey Bill, I am legit, you have seen a taste of heaven in its terrifying and beautiful nature. You have seen it too, kind of a war, but in all honesty, I think Obama should just come to my house and shake my hand.

If that happens, good fortune upon this world will persist



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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804570 - 11/05/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phio said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

K, pause... You're only allowed to vote if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.




Not true. I really wish conservatives would take a fucking civics course. You know so little about the country you live in




You know little about federal laws as that's what were speaking about not whether jim bob gets to manage the local township....



Quote:

phio said:
Quote:

koods said:
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K, pause... You're only allowed to vote if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.




Not true. I really wish conservatives would take a fucking civics course. You know so little about the country you live in




You know little about federal laws as that's what were speaking about not whether jim bob gets to manage the local township....



Is that what were taking about? I heard nothing about federal elections.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804575 - 11/05/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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phio said:

Seems you need to re-watch the video.



nah, i pretty much had said everything you just said.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804577 - 11/05/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

phio said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

K, pause... You're only allowed to vote if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.




Not true. I really wish conservatives would take a fucking civics course. You know so little about the country you live in




You know little about federal laws as that's what were speaking about not whether jim bob gets to manage the local township....



Quote:

phio said:
Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

K, pause... You're only allowed to vote if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.




Not true. I really wish conservatives would take a fucking civics course. You know so little about the country you live in




You know little about federal laws as that's what were speaking about not whether jim bob gets to manage the local township....



Is that what were taking about? I heard nothing about federal elections.





Willful ignorance. I hope you don't think you're fooling anyone.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio] * 1
    #23804584 - 11/05/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

fooling anyone about what? Obama said "you won't get scrutinised" ie, you can go and vote and worry not about people scrutinising you. that is note a call or incitement to vote.


:shrug:


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804588 - 11/05/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Quote:

phio said:

Seems you need to re-watch the video.



nah, i pretty much had said everything you just said. save the mistakes.




You didn't which is why I spoke clearly and directly about what was being suggested in the clip and the totality of the framing of the question. The framing and context was capture in the clip. The questioner outlined an illegal immigrant voting.

He spoke outside of the spirit of federal laws and outlined a way for an illegal to, with a high success rate, vote illegally. Thus the ordering of the words :
"When you vote, you're a citizen"
vs
"You can only vote in federal election procedures If you're a citizen"

I don't expect someone who is unfamiliar w/ the idiosyncrasies of language in a lawful context to understand this slight of hand which is why I defined it for you.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23804589 - 11/05/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
watched video: analysis:

he didn't encourage anyone to vote. he said "when you vote you are a citizen", ie, that when you are in the US, you are not limited in your movement, so you can freely go and vote. it was in response to the question, "if i am x, y, and undocumented, does all my information get documented ect, will someone deport us?", and Obama goes "no".

end of story. you can all watch the video. it's about Obama talking about how voting is confidential, and that the voting laws do not put burdens on people to have their information scrutinised simply for voting.

there was no incitement.





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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #23804594 - 11/05/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Good to see Obambam having some fun on his way out but I wish he would just spark a doob during a press conference or call Trump a nigga or do something funny.  Don't let me down Jim Crowbama.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804595 - 11/05/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:



Case and point :
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-1000-illegal-votes-cast-eight-virginia-localities/

"The problem is most certainly exponentially worse because we have no data regarding aliens on the registration rolls for the other 125 Virginia localities.”

"It’s a felony for non-citizens to vote in Virginia. But in Virginia, no proof of citizenship is required when voters register."
^this is what Obama was slyly referring too when he said 'when you vote, you're a citizen'.

But... please tell me about the Civics courses I missed.
Willful ignorance is just that and I see right through it.





Nothing in that article about illegal voting. Were there actual votes cast by non citizens? Article doesn't say anything about that, so I'm thinking no.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804601 - 11/05/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Is there an illegal running for president I can vote for?  Should I just vote Obama again?


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23804603 - 11/05/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, just the guy who married an illegal


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23804607 - 11/05/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
fooling anyone about what? Obama said "you won't get scrutinised" ie, you can go and vote and worry not about people scrutinising you. that is note a call or incitement to vote.


:shrug:



So, a Harvard Law Grad doesn't know how to clearly state what the laws are regarding illegals voting? He instead choses to reverse the ordering implying causation where none exists :
"If you vote, you're a citizen" <- this is patently false
On top of that, it implies that such a relationship is assumed.
He then further defines that the assumption that you're a citizen before you vote isn't scrutinized...

Defining essentially a loophole for illegals to vote.
Now, you're going to sit there and essentially play dumb on the matter as well as a Harvard Law Grad?


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804608 - 11/05/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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phio said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

phio said:

Seems you need to re-watch the video.



nah, i pretty much had said everything you just said. save the mistakes.




You didn't which is why I spoke clearly and directly about what was being suggested in the clip and the totality of the framing of the question. The framing and context was capture in the clip. The questioner outlined an illegal immigrant voting.

He spoke outside of the spirit of federal laws and outlined a way for an illegal to, with a high success rate, vote illegally. Thus the ordering of the words :
"When you vote, you're a citizen"
vs
"You can only vote in federal election procedures If you're a citizen"

I don't expect someone who is unfamiliar w/ the idiosyncrasies of language in a lawful context to understand this slight of hand which is why I defined it for you.




LOL, i short formed the actual interview, to prove that indeed Obama did not incite voter fraud. his lacking use of specificity is not my problem, but yours. although this still doesn't mean he "incited voter fraud".

Quote:

"If you vote, you're a citizen"




ie, if you are in the USA you get treated like a citizen with the inalienable rights of man, and you can go and vote, eg, "if you vote, you're [treated like] a citizen.

Quote:

Defining essentially a loophole for illegals to vote.
Now, you're going to sit there and essentially play dumb on the matter as well as a Harvard Law Grad?




i'm not arguing about law. i'm arguing about ethics. Obama didn't incite anyone to commit voter fraud. he assuaged her worries about surveillance.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804609 - 11/05/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:strokebeard: I hadn't liked him until I realized a clever scoundrel is exactly what America needs right now.  We do things by the books too much.  We're due for someone who isn't just corrupt but completely embraces corruption as a lifestyle.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23804613 - 11/05/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty sure telling an illegal they can vote isn't illegal. Bad legal advice, but not illegal.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23804619 - 11/05/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
LOL, i short formed the actual interview, to prove that indeed Obama did not incite voter fraud. his lacking use of specificity is not my problem, but yours. although this still doesn't mean he "incited voter fraud".




It is a problem for someone who knows the law and knows how to state it clearly but choses to state it in a manner that defines a loophole for voting. It isn't new or uncharacteristic of his presidency and this is one of the more clear examples of him doing so.

The fact that you claim ignorance after it being clearly laid out to you examples that it is willful ignorance and such choices are your problem not mine.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods] * 4
    #23804621 - 11/05/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think we should revoke citizen voting rights and let the rest of the world decide.  I bet trump never asks Ivanka what she wants to do.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23804624 - 11/05/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We should definitely have a civics test before you can vote.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804626 - 11/05/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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i'm not arguing about law. i'm arguing about ethics. Obama didn't incite anyone to commit voter fraud. he assuaged her worries about surveillance.




Alright champ.. Play dumb...
Just remember : the door swings both ways.
You want to open the door for this kind of foolishness? be prepared to accept it in all its glory down the road..
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804629 - 11/05/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't expect someone who is unfamiliar w/ the idiosyncrasies of language in a lawful context to understand this slight of hand which is why I defined it for you.




LOL, i understood the language he used was to assuage her fears of being hunted down like a dog; and any legal consequence of such 'legerdemain' is unfounded. he addressed a touchy question, and you jump. :lol:

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It is a problem for someone who knows the law and knows how to state it clearly but choses to state it in a manner that defines a loophole for voting. It isn't new or uncharacteristic of his presidency and this is one of the more clear examples of him doing so.

The fact that you claim ignorance after it being clearly laid out to you examples that it is willful ignorance and such choices are your problem not mine.




the video claims he incited voter fraud. he didn't. he told her that people shouldn't fear themselves being hunted down or jailed.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods] * 1
    #23804634 - 11/05/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We should definitely have a civics test before you can vote.




Yeah, I was going to say the same thing.

That and abolishing the electoral college so people can vote directly for their candidate, its not the 19th century anymore.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: zZZz]
    #23804650 - 11/05/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Y dont yall just leave obama alone, ya big bullies



Why? Maybe its because the media on a whole and in general protects him. People see how shitty things are after 8 years with him and the liberal biased media's manipulation of events isnt fooling working man/woman of what the brass tax is.

I mean GW had a hurricane machine and was blamed for everything, obama is like Teflon.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23804687 - 11/05/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How does one deal with the cognitive dissonance of towing the line between "if you're illegal you can vote" vs "if you're illegal and vote you won't face repercussions."  You've got to know that you are contradicting your own position while pretending to be in line with your supposed view.

Sounds like more justifications/rationalizations for your own shitty goalpost movement regarding what is right/ethical/moral/just. 

FWIW I think Trump and Hillary are both horrible choices.  But to pretend you are in the right based on subtle wordplay is disdainful.  "We're not encouraging illegals to vote, just letting the illegals that are scared to vote know that if they do vote then they shouldn't worry about getting in trouble (for breaking the law)."

GTFO here you pathetic snakes.  Pat yourself on the back for being a scumbag.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804703 - 11/05/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

maybe if the thread (and links) didn't insist that Obama did something he didn't do, we could avoid having to address that elephant in the room, and cut to brass tax. :shrug: what's snakey is to call out "Obama commits felony incitement of voter fraud, read all about it!" when that's not actually true. (no offence, Bill, not saying you're snakey, just that the wording is snakey)


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804778 - 11/05/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why? Maybe its because the media on a whole and in general protects him. People see how shitty things are after 8 years with him and the liberal biased media's manipulation of events isnt fooling working man/woman of what the brass tax is.




The US has the strongest economy in the world. So Shitty :rolleyes:

The problem we have is voters like yourself who are completely detached from reality - mush for brains as it were.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804786 - 11/05/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Akira is sharper than a pawn like you could ever realize.  Don't you ever dare question his wisdom kid.

oh nvm fuck you and your refail


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    #23804794 - 11/05/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Considering "If you're an illegal citizen go ahead and vote" would be a felony, and "If you're illegal and vote, don't worry you won't face punishment" has the same message, then the topic of OP isn't that inaccurate.  Grasping at straws doesn't change what was said, and sacrificing your own ethics/morality/justice in order to contradict the statement in the OP makes you no better than the original argument regarding the original statement. 

To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written.  Beating your chest in a manner that disregards the intended point of the law shows your disregard for the law, and does nothing to negate the point and purpose of what was being stated.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23804799 - 11/05/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.


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    #23804801 - 11/05/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.





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    #23804810 - 11/05/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.

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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written




perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by and unwieldy mob.



Wtf I don't make the nerd list?  :crankey: too cool for you?


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804811 - 11/05/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written




perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not that they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by an unwieldy mob, and they'd rather not see that happen. probably even consider naturalising them, seeing as the faults with being there simply lay in their legality, and since the country has supported them already, they might as well chip in.


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    #23804815 - 11/05/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Holy fuck you are really reaching. How is this a felony?

He was asked a question about whether there were legal repercussions for an alien to vote and he gave an honest answer. He never encourages anybody to vote.

Not only that, but telling somebody to vote is not a felony.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804837 - 11/05/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
Considering "If you're an illegal citizen go ahead and vote" would be a felony, and "If you're illegal and vote, don't worry you won't face punishment" has the same message, then the topic of OP isn't that inaccurate.  Grasping at straws doesn't change what was said, and sacrificing your own ethics/morality/justice in order to contradict the statement in the OP makes you no better than the original argument regarding the original statement. 

To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written.  Beating your chest in a manner that disregards the intended point of the law shows your disregard for the law, and does nothing to negate the point and purpose of what was being stated.




lol you guys all say the same thing. Get out of your echo chamber and do a little thinking for yourself. It's like you're programmed. People in this country need to start learning some critical thinking skills because this silliness is becoming an impediment to serious, smart dialogue. Stop being buffoons... please.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23804841 - 11/05/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.

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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written




perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by and unwieldy mob.



Wtf I don't make the nerd list?  :crankey: too cool for you?



You're not a nerd. Just a regular ol' everyday degenerate.


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    #23804855 - 11/05/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're not a nerd hand




correction. he's not a hand, as in no hand-jobs. phio and BlueYoMind give me hand-jobs. that's the real McCoy

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Just a regular ol' everyday degenerate.




not without a hand-job, he ain't. i'm just taking everything he has away. first he giveth than he taketh awayyyyyy


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: PatrickKn]
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moonrockmushy said:
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akira_akuma said:
phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.

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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written




perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by and unwieldy mob.



Wtf I don't make the nerd list?  :crankey: too cool for you?



You're not a nerd. Just a regular ol' everyday degenerate.




But I can fix 80s machines.  Does not that stand for any nerd cred these days?


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804868 - 11/05/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
Considering "If you're an illegal citizen go ahead and vote" would be a felony, and "If you're illegal and vote, don't worry you won't face punishment" has the same message, then the topic of OP isn't that inaccurate.  Grasping at straws doesn't change what was said, and sacrificing your own ethics/morality/justice in order to contradict the statement in the OP makes you no better than the original argument regarding the original statement. 

To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written.  Beating your chest in a manner that disregards the intended point of the law shows your disregard for the law, and does nothing to negate the point and purpose of what was being stated.



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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804883 - 11/05/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

all users of the shroomery, unless you are in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington or the District of Columbia, please drop your pipes...this is a raid.

it's THE LAW. knock knock. do you agree? do you comply? no? BANG BANG BangBANGBANG!

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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804888 - 11/05/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.



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MrBlueYoMind said:
How does one deal with the cognitive dissonance of towing the line between "if you're illegal you can vote" vs "if you're illegal and vote you won't face repercussions."  You've got to know that you are contradicting your own position while pretending to be in line with your supposed view.

Sounds like more justifications/rationalizations for your own shitty goalpost movement regarding what is right/ethical/moral/just. 

FWIW I think Trump and Hillary are both horrible choices.  But to pretend you are in the right based on subtle wordplay is disdainful.  "We're not encouraging illegals to vote, just letting the illegals that are scared to vote know that if they do vote then they shouldn't worry about getting in trouble (for breaking the law)."

GTFO here you pathetic snakes.  Pat yourself on the back for being a scumbag.



:asianofapproval:
Glad to see someone other than me sees exactly what I see.

The interesting thing to observe is that the door that these people creep open for such shit is the pathway by which they get fucked. People try to inform them of this and they spit on them and kick them. So, they're going to keep opening up that door until something royally fucks them sideways and there isn't going to be a peep from those who know better. Hurts them most of all yet they beat their chest in glory. Quite amazing and I could imagine that there are some interesting potentials licking their chops at the sight
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804900 - 11/05/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
all users of the shroomery, unless you are in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington or the District of Columbia, please drop your pipes...this is a raid.

it's THE LAW. knock knock. do you agree? do you comply? no? BANG BANG BangBANGBANG!

DEAD motherfucker




Letter of the law versus the spirit of the law.
I'm glad you brought that up.

Obama should be able to tell you all about the difference.
He's seemingly an expert at manipulating the letter of the law in order to circumvent the spirit of the law. This was a classic example and his wording aligned as such.

Carry on...  the voices of reason and truth are slowly growing silent.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804901 - 11/05/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

dude, i hope you're not doing drugs. in most cases, that's willingly breaking the law.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804907 - 11/05/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Letter of the law versus the spirit of the law.
I'm glad you brought that up.

Obama should be able to tell you all about the difference.
He's seemingly an expert at manipulating the letter of the law in order to circumvent the spirit of the law. This was a classic example and his wording aligned as such.

Carry on...  the voices of reason and truth are slowly growing silent.



the spirit of the law is that the laws that are found to be unjust should not be held in regard to the spirit of the law. perhaps he feels that way about this law, like i said; and he's allowed to, the spirit of the law is malleable, unlike the letter. care to address that without the spirited misdirection?

(PS: 'To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, "an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law."')


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23804913 - 11/05/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dude you're way over analyzing this. It was a sloppily worded question, and he answered in a clumsy way. He wasn't advocating illegals should vote. This entire thread is retarded.


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    #23804918 - 11/05/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

probably, but there isn't any way to convince these peeps of that.


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    #23804961 - 11/05/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They aren't serious people. So no, there's no way to get to them when they are perfectly content being silly.


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    #23804971 - 11/05/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

kids these days...seriously. F me in the A, koods, they are some dumb-cumfilled-ragamuffins with no sense of direction.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805040 - 11/05/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

First off, lets get on the same page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law
The letter of the law versus the spirit of the law is an idiomatic antithesis. When one obeys the letter of the law but not the spirit, one is obeying the literal interpretation of the words (the "letter") of the law, but not necessarily the intent of those who wrote the law. Conversely, when one obeys the spirit of the law but not the letter, one is doing what the authors of the law intended, though not necessarily adhering to the literal word

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the spirit of the law is that the laws that are found to be unjust should not be held in regard to the spirit of the law.




Incorrect. When the letter of the law and the spirit of the law are unjust, steps and procedures should be taken to remove the law and will have a basis in doing so due to it being provable unjust. When a law exists and it is just and there is a letter of law one should uphold the spirit of the law ( intent of those who wrote the law). Note : Not your personal intent, goals, and agendas.

However, to a radical (the spirit of the law) provision serves as a conduit of exploitation.


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perhaps he feels that way about this law, like i said; and he's allowed to, the spirit of the law is malleable, unlike the letter. care to address that without the spirited misdirection?




Sure I can address this. Being a scholar of law and the President of the United States should resign someone to think beyond their personal feelings, goals, and agendas and think more-so about what's good for the country.

Obama has a long standing belief of 'radical change through practical measures'.
He is known and characteristic as such. Practical measures w.r.t to being a scholar of law centers on attacks agains the letter and spirit of law which is what he quite clearly did all throughout his presidency many times for bad outcomes. Many of his radical and destructive changes will take years for the avg. person to digest and perceive whereas those in the know are quite clear as to what they have done.

If you want to understand Obama, review his detailed history and his wife's history.
They both are centered on  radical backgrounds and radical associates. This is important in understanding what are his possible goals behind attacking the spirit of the a written law.

This helps you understand why he would force under the threat of prosecution that our border patrol agencies don't enforce the letter and spirit of the federal immigration laws which unequivocally and all throughout history maintain that sovereign countries maintain their borders even to the extent of physical violence any outsider who attempts to illegally enter a country.

This helps you understand why he would get up on national television and slickly define a loophole for illegal voting.. But many don't know his past, his associates, and his spirit. Thus, armed with a Harvard Law degree and greed filled backers, he made mince meat of this nation's laws including the just spirit of the law.

All the while w/ the unanimous support of the pleb populous. So, why allow a horde of illegals into the country under the threat to our federal agencies enforcement of the just and sane immigration laws? Well you see, businesses profit from supply/demand wage arbitrage. Crashing a system to get change (racial demographic change in America) via breaking the federal laws is not out of place for Obama. It's a means to, in his mind, a good end.

In the coming age of a global standard of living, it helps when the most prosperous country in the world has been overrun by impoverished illegals in that one can state : look a the standards of America... To what reference do you ask of better standards?

But you see, you nor others are looking that far or deep nor do you believe anyone who tells you to. The powers that be know this.

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(PS: 'To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, "an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law."')



Defense of self and property is quite the natural law thats observed throughout the world.
The problem becomes when you elect a radical and very educated president who believes that America in its current state, given its history owes something to minorities of a past time that it stole from and thus radically alters the letter/spirit/practice of the laws in the country to surrender it to said people under the guise of Humanitarian aide and what's right for a country like Mexico or any other minority that has a lower unemployment rate and debt/gdp than us...

In 2016, United States public debt-to-GDP ratio was estimated at 71.8% or 104.5%,
Mexico recorded a Government Debt to GDP of 43.2 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2015.

The uneducated masses don't think on the level of the educated with agendas. So, much of this never becomes clear to them nor do they believe anyone who informs them as such as they most often subscribe to appeal to authority over sense/logic which they haven't carefully crafted to supersede authoritative remarks.

So yeah... America got played like a fiddle as did many African Americans as Obama's agendas and thus his spirit were set upon things far and beyond their interest. Sadly Obama got played to. He probably believed his efforts would hand the country over to and make a more fair place for minorities while those thinking many levels ahead of him utilized his myopic and naive efforts to further suppress the living conditions and freedoms of everyone in a much longer con.

That being said, what's done is done and no doubt Americans via the same process are lining up for another fucking...

What more can I say to this? The world is a different place depending on where you're standing


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805058 - 11/05/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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probably, but there isn't any way to convince these peeps of that.




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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23805091 - 11/05/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Incorrect. When the letter of the law and the spirit of the law are unjust, steps and procedures should be taken to remove the law and will have a basis in doing so due to it being provable unjust.




this is incorrect. the foundation of steps and procedures are not there to remove/show an unjust law, they are there to make corrections. to disobey the law is the only way to show that it's unjust. :shrug: otherwise there is no way to show it is unjust. Lex iniusta non est lex.

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Note : Not your personal intent, goals, and agendas.



this isn't legal opportunism, as there was no personal agenda to fulfil here.

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So, why allow a horde of illegals into the country under the threat to our federal agencies enforcement of the just and sane immigration laws? Well you see, businesses profit from supply/demand wage arbitrage. Crashing a system to get change (racial demographic change in America) via breaking the federal laws is not out of place for Obama. It's a means to, in his mind, a good end.




where's the horde? so far Obama's plan has apparently failed.

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In the coming age of a global standard of living, it helps when the most prosperous country in the world has been overrun by impoverished illegals in that one can state : look a the standards of America... To what reference do you ask of better standards?




what standards have changed due to illegal immigrants?

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further suppress the living conditions and freedoms of everyone in a much longer con.




example?

PS: i know we can't be talking about what Obama didn't say, anymore; i'm assuming this discussion is more on a persons ethics in response to what they see as an unjust law; seeing as that is what i'm speculating is why he is answering her question without scolding her for the "illegals" comment. i have no evidence for him "rigging the system" to gain his own advantages, nor in the way of making a "demographic change" -- where is the huge change in demographics? can you show me?

any evidence at all.


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    #23805108 - 11/05/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Serious question, do you wake up in the morning and get in the mindset that you're going to respond to every post in a long winded way in the pub? You're everywhere! In like every thread ive been reading with sagas and shit ha


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    #23805109 - 11/05/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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this is incorrect. the foundation of steps and procedures are not there to remove/show an unjust law, they are there to make corrections. to disobey the law is the only way to show that it's unjust. :shrug: otherwise there is no way to show it is unjust. Lex iniusta non est lex.





Open that door a little more wider
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where's the horde? so far Obama's plan has apparently failed.




K, you don't see the horde.

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what standards have changed due to illegal immigrants?




It's a long term game... All the good ones are.

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example?




Already gave you the framework and pointers, it's up to you to sort out the rest.


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PS: i know we can't be talking about what Obama didn't say, anymore; i'm assuming this discussion is more on a persons ethics in response to what they see as an unjust law; seeing as that is what i'm speculating is why he is answering her question without scolding her for the "illegals" comment. i have no evidence for him "rigging the system" to gain his own advantages, nor in the way of making a "demographic change" -- where is the huge change in demographics? can you show me?

any evidence at all.



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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23805123 - 11/05/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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K, you don't see the horde.




nope. i see splintered enclaves.

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It's a long term game... All the good ones are.




so none yet.

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Already gave you the framework and pointers, it's up to you to sort out the rest.




nah. you're trying to convince someone that you've got the answers. you must have them from somewhere...show your sources, and/or explain your thoughts with a greater detail that'll lead me to an answer.

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Seek and ye will find.




i am seeking, and i have not found any evidence for your claims.

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Open that door a little more wider




i'm keeping a good eye out for bullshit. when evidence presents itself that shows that there is a conspiracy, then i'll look into it. until then, i see a mayhaps overly sympathetic president insisting that the citizenry of those people who work, and pay the bills (yet are undocumented) are still trying to live, and unless they are caught being 'an illegal alien' (as in the US we are given freedom on the streets and in your decision making) then they are to be treated as anyone else under the law would be treated -- and that's literally all he was getting at. :shrug:

the people who should be sought, if anything at all (but i don't agree that they should be sought, just that they should probably just stop) are the people whom provide jobs and homes for those undocumented. they are the ones you should have a problem with.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #23805126 - 11/05/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
watched video: analysis:

he didn't encourage anyone to vote. he said "when you vote you are a citizen", ie, that when you are in the US, you are not limited in your movement, so you can freely go and vote. it was in response to the question, "if i am x, y, and undocumented, does all my information get documented ect, will someone deport us?", and Obama goes "no".

end of story. you can all watch the video. it's about Obama talking about how voting is confidential, and that the voting laws do not put burdens on people to have their information scrutinised simply for voting.

there was no incitement.




LIAR

Gina Rodriguez was clarifying that in detail that she was specifically talking
about illegal aliens, she decided to claim they were citizens simply because they
came here and worked, that doesnt make them citizens, they're still illegal aliens
and US voting rights arent extended to illegals

as you had quoted of obama saying "when you vote you are a citizen", that's him in
fact encouraging illegals to vote, it's him implying that, in conjunction with
what Rodriguez had stated, that by voting they become legal citizens, he also
stated that they wouldnt be scrutinized for illegally voting in this election, all
of this culminates to Obama has encouraged illegal voting by illegal aliens


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23805132 - 11/05/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's such horse shit,

Everyone knows democrats want illegals to vote, to suggest otherwise is fucking stupid

What exactly did Obama say? Who fucking cares, anyone with the IQ of a turnip knows what he meant.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805143 - 11/05/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
>nope. i see splintered enclaves.
> so none yet.
> nah. you're trying to convince someone that you've got the answers. you must have them from somewhere...show your sources, and/or explain your thoughts with a greater detail that'll lead me to an answer.




I've been down this road before. Questions lead to more questions and even more doubt when one doesn't build it up themselves via heart felt inquiry into the truth. I provided a framework which is good enough. I'm not trying to convince you of anything other than give you a framework to ease your inquiry if you chose to commit to one.
If you chose not to, that's up to you.


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akira_akuma said:
i'm keeping a good eye out for bullshit. when evidence presents itself that shows that there is a conspiracy, then i'll look into it. until then, i see a mayhaps overly sympathetic president insisting that the citizenry of those people who work, and pay the bills (yet are undocumented) are still trying to live, and unless they are caught being 'an illegal alien' (as in the US we are given freedom on the streets and in your decision making) then they are to be treated as anyone else under the law would be treated -- and that's literally all he was getting at. :shrug:





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akira_akuma said:
the people who should be sought, if anything at all (but i don't agree that they should be sought, just that they should probably just stop) are the people whom provide jobs and homes for those undocumented. they are the ones you should have a problem with.



That's who federal regulators and federal enforcers go after. Obama has stonewalled them all throughout their process to enforce the laws. There are laws and penalties against employers. Those laws aren't being enforced. In cases where it was attempted, Obama has threatened to pull funding and even have the DOJ prosecute individuals. Simple googling will turn up the details.

That game has been played and he's headed out of office. This was stuff that was occurring years ago that fell on deaf ears. It's a full blown disaster and crisis at this point. Again, if you googled any of this you'd find articles from reputable sources, videos on youtube, videos/pictures of facilities housing illegals, the government threatening ice officials who leaked photos, hotels bought using tax payer money to house illegals,the busing of illegals around the U.S to predominately middle america, commentary from mexico's president, pictures, MS-13 revival 90%+ illegals, commentary from federal immigration agencies, etc.

Not sure what in the world you're looking for but searching Google is pretty straight forward.

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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23805144 - 11/05/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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she decided to claim they were citizens simply because they came here and worked, that doesnt make them citizens




it doesn't make them 'citizens', no. but being in the US you are treated 'as a citizen' under the law. :shrug: no matter if you are documented or not. what, do you think tourists should receive said documents too, or else what? they be subject to different laws?

either way. this is the fact of the matter.

Quote:

as you had quoted of obama saying "when you vote you are a citizen", that's him in
fact encouraging illegals to vote, it's him implying that, in conjunction with
what Rodriguez had stated, that by voting they become legal citizens




wrong. what he said in response to her was not in the connotation your putting it. she did ask about illegals voting, this is true, and Obama phrased his words to connote to the language she was using -- she was concerned that people would be 'scrutinised' or 'charged' with something due to the 'accusation of being an illegal'. ie, no one wants to see people there scrutinising everyone while they vote. so Obama put it to her like this, "it's completely confidential. when you [go to] vote, you 'are a citizen'" -- meaning when you go to the voting booths, you will 'be treated like a citizen'. this is what Obama actually had meant by this connotation of the words "when you vote you are a citizen".

yes, people, in real life, do not use the full extent of their elocution, all the time. his phrasing was bad, but i knew what he meant. he did not skirt around anything, nor did he insist that they should vote...just that they be there to vote without being accosted -- because of the political/social climate right now, it's an actual concern. (it shouldn't be)

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he also
stated that they wouldnt be scrutinized for illegally voting in this election, all
of this culminates to Obama has encouraged illegal voting by illegal aliens



no, he doesn't. that is actually you, Prisoner number 1, enraptured in a flat out LIE yourself. nicely done. watch the video. there is no encouragement to vote. if there was...i'd have mentioned it already in my analysis. :wink:

Quote:


That's who federal regulators and federal enforcers go after. Obama has stonewalled them all throughout their process to enforce the laws. There are laws and penalties against employers. Those laws aren't being enforced. In cases where it was attempted, Obama has threatened to pull funding and even have the DOJ prosecute individuals. google it






ok i googled "Obama stonewalling federal regulators in undocumented workers cases"

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/03/debbie-wasserman-schultz/obama-holds-record-cracking-down-employers-who-hir/

here is a politifact article (which i see no reason for them to lie about said information therein) that states he apparently holds  record for cracking down on undocumented workers.

http://cis.org/Obama-Deferred-Action-Amnest-Executive-Action-Unconstitutional (perhaps you can wade through this shitfest to find the pertinent points to your argument -- otherwise, i probably won't be reading this tonight -- but from what i can glean, there is a problem here with the federal laws matching up with what certain states are taking upon themselves to enforce or not enforce, and/or what policies they employ.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_v._United_States
(more of the same)
there is also the articles like: ( http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/288/provide-a-path-to-citizenship-for-undocumented-imm/ ) stating his failure to achieve his goals in getting his plans validated by the courts -- which would imply that nothing has changed in those regards.)


:shrug: still not seeing anything really pertinent to your argument...other than the suggestion that federal laws are being "abused" in order to facilitate the "pathway to citizenship" in certain 'programs' implemented, with the help of Obama, in certain states/regions. :shrug is that it?


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805190 - 11/06/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

she decided to claim they were citizens simply because they came here and worked, that doesnt make them citizens




it doesn't make them 'citizens', no. but being in the US you are treated 'as a citizen' under the law. :shrug: no matter if you are documented or not. what, do you think tourists should receive said documents too, or else what? they be subject to different laws?

either way. this is the fact of the matter.




lol... so illegals can simply walk in and vote legally? they can just walk into
gun stores and buy guns legally? for your information since you seem to lack so
much of it, when tourists come tot he US they come as foreign nationals, they
leave as foreign nationals and they arent awarded all the rights of a citizens
such as the right to vote and they are in fact documented

Quote:

Quote:

as you had quoted of obama saying "when you vote you are a citizen", that's him in
fact encouraging illegals to vote, it's him implying that, in conjunction with
what Rodriguez had stated, that by voting they become legal citizens




wrong. what he said in response to her was not in the connotation your putting it. she did ask about illegals voting, this is true, and Obama phrased his words to connote to the language she was using -- she was concerned that people would be 'scrutinised' or 'charged' with something due to the 'accusation of being an illegal'. ie, no one wants to see people there scrutinising everyone while they vote. so Obama put it to her like this, "it's completely confidential. when you [go to] vote, you 'are a citizen'" -- meaning when you go to the voting booths, you will 'be treated like a citizen'. this is what Obama actually had meant by this connotation of the words "when you vote you are a citizen".




so you're stating what I just said, he's telling illegal aliens they should simply
go down and vote because they'll be treated like citizens FOR ILLEGALLY VOTING


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23805211 - 11/06/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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when tourists come to the US they come as foreign nationals, they
leave as foreign nationals and they arent awarded all the rights of a citizens
such as the right to vote and they are in fact documented




i assumed they would be somehow, but i mean, assigned documentation how? travel documents to get in and out of the country, time of stay, ect, right? but they don't need these documents to travel in-land, true?
well, if this is true, then, it's assumed that they must be treated in the same sense legally as any one else, considering there is no differentiating them from any one else in the citizenry -- if it was otherwise, there'd be no telling who is what, and people would need to be wear nametags for the prevailing fear of 'illegals' possibly being the midst of society. that isn't the case, is it? especially in a free country where people are assumed innocent until they actually commit a crime (or it's how that's supposed to work).
as foreign nationals are they subject to different laws than the citizenry of the US are subject to?

the answer is: no. a resounding no.

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so you're stating what I just said, he's telling illegal aliens they should simply
go down and vote because they'll be treated like citizens FOR ILLEGALLY VOTING




no, not for a illegally voting. you're still not able to put the math together on this one...again, once again...he's saying they won't be surveilled, searched, questioned, scrutinised, by anyone if they go to the polls...in direct response to her question about being surveilled, searched, questioned, scrutinised, ect...so his comment on being 'treated like a citizen' was related to THAT concept, not the person voting, per se.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805234 - 11/06/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just noticed this other story on the same site as op,

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=47436

Apparently the homeless lady who "protected" trumps star after it was vandalized received a $25,000 reward.. I fucking knew it!.. She just did it cuz she thought she'd get trumps attention and he would reward her with $$, which worked!..


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Rhizohunter] * 1
    #23805272 - 11/06/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Rhizohunter said:
Hey Bill, I am legit, you have seen a taste of heaven in its terrifying and beautiful nature. You have seen it too, kind of a war, but in all honesty, I think Obama should just come to my house and shake my hand.

If that happens, good fortune upon this world will persist





:hahthatsrich:

Honestly i dont care much for what obama said i just knew it would be juicy for you guys to speak on because politics (especially now) is tossed around on the site like nothin

Oh and when i was sitting in a barbors chair years back..the media started coming out of nowhere and they all walk in and who were they following? THE GOVERNOR LOL Duval Patrick shook my hand while I was getting a haircut. I think some media took some pictures of it..odd day that was



Edit: the reason why the governor and the media showed up to the barbor shop was because it was their 50th year being open or something like that


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23805276 - 11/06/16 01:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

Rhizohunter said:
Hey Bill, I am legit, you have seen a taste of heaven in its terrifying and beautiful nature. You have seen it too, kind of a war, but in all honesty, I think Obama should just come to my house and shake my hand.

If that happens, good fortune upon this world will persist





:hahthatsrich:

Honestly i dont care much for what obama said i just knew it would be juicy for you guys to speak on because politics (especially now) is tossed around on the site like nothin

Oh and when i was sitting in a barbors chair years back..the media started coming out of nowhere and they all walk in and who were they following? THE GOVERNOR LOL Duval Patrick shook my hand while I was getting a haircut. I think some media took some pictures of it..odd day that was



Edit: the reason why the governor and the media showed up to the barbor shop was because it was their 50th year being open or something like that





Dude, you had it BAD. Same name, different area, la la la la la la.


I will end all of this soon for you brother. It is crazy as fuck. Kinda hard, ya know. Horrible shit, but you can't stop trucking along. I have been experiencing this shit for over three and a half years now and I am ready for Heaven. I know, that you know, what I mean...


Short time David, just another spread. I know how long, but I can't spoil the surprise.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #23805278 - 11/06/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma  (no offence, Bill, not saying you're snakey, just that the wording is snakey)





Honestly i hardly watched the video before posting. I just read what people said and was like "ooo the shroomery would like this"

Look at how kind i am..always thinking of you guys :lol:

I dont know why this is italicized


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #23805280 - 11/06/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Rhizohunter said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

Rhizohunter said:
Hey Bill, I am legit, you have seen a taste of heaven in its terrifying and beautiful nature. You have seen it too, kind of a war, but in all honesty, I think Obama should just come to my house and shake my hand.

If that happens, good fortune upon this world will persist





:hahthatsrich:

Honestly i dont care much for what obama said i just knew it would be juicy for you guys to speak on because politics (especially now) is tossed around on the site like nothin

Oh and when i was sitting in a barbors chair
years back..the media started coming out of nowhere and they all walk in and who were they following? THE GOVERNOR LOL Duval Patrick shook my hand while I was getting a haircut. I think some media took some pictures of it..odd day that was



Edit: the reason why the governor and the media showed up to the barbor shop was because it was their 50th year being open or something like that





Dude, you had it BAD. Same name, different area, la la la la la la.


I will end all of this soon for you brother. It is crazy as fuck. Kinda hard, ya know. Horrible shit, but you can't stop trucking along. I have been experiencing this shit for over three and a half years now and I am ready for Heaven. I know, that you know, what I mean...


Short time David, just another spread. I know how long, but I can't spoil the surprise.





Are you trying to say i hallucinated this? Because I wasnt even into drugs and i know for 100% fact it happened. I can probably pull up the news article of the shops 50 year anniversary.

Look i know i was crazy at one point that doesnt mean im stupid
Whenever i heal from a psychosis i can always tell looking back at what was real what wasnt

And let me tell you..that happened.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #23805281 - 11/06/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

U have been lied to brother, give urself to me before it is too late..


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: zZZz]
    #23805286 - 11/06/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Can we get the shroomery police to please escort mr.rhizohunter off the stage..hes scaring me :lol:

Just kidding love ya bud


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23805287 - 11/06/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

akira_akuma  (no offence, Bill, not saying you're snakey, just that the wording is snakey)





Honestly i hardly watched the video before posting. I just read what people said and was like "ooo the shroomery would like this"

Look at how kind i am..always thinking of you guys :lol:




:durrhurr: i figured you had barely watched. LOL. good show.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23805288 - 11/06/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey who saw Donald Trump get rushed off the stage at his campaign by the secret service?


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
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Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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    #23805293 - 11/06/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

his expression looked like an oblong baseball glove of surprise.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23805384 - 11/06/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

Rhizohunter said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

Rhizohunter said:
Hey Bill, I am legit, you have seen a taste of heaven in its terrifying and beautiful nature. You have seen it too, kind of a war, but in all honesty, I think Obama should just come to my house and shake my hand.

If that happens, good fortune upon this world will persist





:hahthatsrich:

Honestly i dont care much for what obama said i just knew it would be juicy for you guys to speak on because politics (especially now) is tossed around on the site like nothin

Oh and when i was sitting in a barbors chair
years back..the media started coming out of nowhere and they all walk in and who were they following? THE GOVERNOR LOL Duval Patrick shook my hand while I was getting a haircut. I think some media took some pictures of it..odd day that was



Edit: the reason why the governor and the media showed up to the barbor shop was because it was their 50th year being open or something like that





Dude, you had it BAD. Same name, different area, la la la la la la.


I will end all of this soon for you brother. It is crazy as fuck. Kinda hard, ya know. Horrible shit, but you can't stop trucking along. I have been experiencing this shit for over three and a half years now and I am ready for Heaven. I know, that you know, what I mean...


Short time David, just another spread. I know how long, but I can't spoil the surprise.





Are you trying to say i hallucinated this? Because I wasnt even into drugs and i know for 100% fact it happened. I can probably pull up the news article of the shops 50 year anniversary.

Look i know i was crazy at one point that doesnt mean im stupid
Whenever i heal from a psychosis i can always tell looking back at what was real what wasnt

And let me tell you..that happened.






You'll see, may take a little bit though. Gotta disrupt a lot of shit before I can be welcomed. Long story, gotta get on my next book, but it will take a while.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23805395 - 11/06/16 04:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
his expression looked like an oblong baseball glove of surprise.





:lol:


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #23805400 - 11/06/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Rhizo man what the fuck you talking about homie?


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23805406 - 11/06/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phio said:
Cut the shit ...
The question was framed clearly.
Questioner : There are alot of undocumented 'dreamers' in this country who contribute blah blah blah. (Essentially an illegal immigrant). They're worried about voting because they feel if they vote they'll be scrutinized and found out.

K, pause... You're only allowed to vote for the Federal election if you're a citizen. If you're not a citizen you can't vote.
That's the law and he should have stated it clearly. However, he's a Graduate from Harvard Law and has an Agenda and knows how to state things that are against the law in contrived terms..

So..

Obama replies : Not true .. When you vote you are a citizen...
Essentially saying, no one knows whether or not you're an illegal or illegally voting.
He goes on to comment : No one checks it even scrutinizes it. So, the vote is confidential.

Illegals can acquire IDs and all sorts of credentials that allow them to vote when they are not citizens. Obama is telling them. No worries. It is assumed that you're a citizen when you vote. No one even checks to make sure you are one. So go ahead and vote if you're an illegal and managed to find a way to vote.

His Law degree affords him the ability to state something blatantly illegal in legally contrived terms and he did just that. Has for most of his time in office.

Seems you need to re-watch the video. The reporter framed it in clear terms and in his coined way he responded in unclear terms conveying in crafty ways how to circumvent or find the loophole in the law to achieve ones goals.

Harvard Law school for you.




You are a fucking idiot.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: GrandPoobah] * 1
    #23805493 - 11/06/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The US will be so much better off when this moron is out of office, even Hillary will be 10 times better.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: qman]
    #23805557 - 11/06/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The principal that their are laws that allow people who aren't citizens of your country to vote is ludicrous. I can't wrap my hhead around the act that you don't even need ID to vote in some place.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Patlal]
    #23805566 - 11/06/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
The principal that their are laws that allow people who aren't citizens of your country to vote is ludicrous. I can't wrap my hhead around the act that you don't even need ID to vote in some place.




America is the absolute most backwards ass place when it comes to laws. We enforce to the hilt inconsequential ones (like possession of small amounts of drugs) and don't enforce ones that matter (insert any law that would actually help Americans):shrug:


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23806360 - 11/06/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
Rhizo man what the fuck you talking about homie?





It's okay Bill, you will see in time


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23806478 - 11/06/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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when tourists come to the US they come as foreign nationals, they
leave as foreign nationals and they arent awarded all the rights of a citizens
such as the right to vote and they are in fact documented




i assumed they would be somehow, but i mean, assigned documentation how? travel documents to get in and out of the country, time of stay, ect, right? but they don't need these documents to travel in-land, true?





it's called a visa, not to be confused with credit/debit cards



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well, if this is true, then, it's assumed that they must be treated in the same sense legally as any one else, considering there is no differentiating them from any one else in the citizenry




except that foreign nationals visiting this country on a visa do not have
citizenship, nor do resident aliens or illegal aliens, citizens in this
country do in fact have citizenship.


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as foreign nationals are they subject to different laws than the citizenry of the US are subject to?

the answer is: no. a resounding no.





so you claim that foreign nationals and illegal aliens and even resident aliens do
in fact have the right to vote because they're subject to the same laws

Quote:

Quote:

so you're stating what I just said, he's telling illegal aliens they should simply
go down and vote because they'll be treated like citizens FOR ILLEGALLY VOTING




no, not for a illegally voting. you're still not able to put the math together on this one...again, once again...he's saying they won't be surveilled, searched, questioned, scrutinised, by anyone if they go to the polls...in direct response to her question about being surveilled, searched, questioned, scrutinised, ect...so his comment on being 'treated like a citizen' was related to THAT concept, not the person voting, per se.




but that was only a small part of what he said, of course in saying just that he
told them that it's perfectly safe for the illegals to go and vote


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23806549 - 11/06/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

nah, what he said was "no one will track you, investigate you, to see if you're an illegal".

Quote:

Patlal said:
The principal that their are laws that allow people who aren't citizens of your country to vote is ludicrous. I can't wrap my hhead around the act that you don't even need ID to vote in some place.



it's called being given inalienable rights.

just look up the word INALIENABLE, and bask in the glory.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23806554 - 11/06/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
he said "when you vote you are a citizen"




funny but you quoted what he said, you also explained in detail exactly what he was
also saying, that he encouraged illegals to vote


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23806579 - 11/06/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Silly people


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