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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804811 - 11/05/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written




perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not that they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by an unwieldy mob, and they'd rather not see that happen. probably even consider naturalising them, seeing as the faults with being there simply lay in their legality, and since the country has supported them already, they might as well chip in.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23804815 - 11/05/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Holy fuck you are really reaching. How is this a felony?

He was asked a question about whether there were legal repercussions for an alien to vote and he gave an honest answer. He never encourages anybody to vote.

Not only that, but telling somebody to vote is not a felony.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804837 - 11/05/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
Considering "If you're an illegal citizen go ahead and vote" would be a felony, and "If you're illegal and vote, don't worry you won't face punishment" has the same message, then the topic of OP isn't that inaccurate.  Grasping at straws doesn't change what was said, and sacrificing your own ethics/morality/justice in order to contradict the statement in the OP makes you no better than the original argument regarding the original statement. 

To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written.  Beating your chest in a manner that disregards the intended point of the law shows your disregard for the law, and does nothing to negate the point and purpose of what was being stated.




lol you guys all say the same thing. Get out of your echo chamber and do a little thinking for yourself. It's like you're programmed. People in this country need to start learning some critical thinking skills because this silliness is becoming an impediment to serious, smart dialogue. Stop being buffoons... please.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23804841 - 11/05/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
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akira_akuma said:
phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.

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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written




perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by and unwieldy mob.



Wtf I don't make the nerd list?  :crankey: too cool for you?



You're not a nerd. Just a regular ol' everyday degenerate.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23804855 - 11/05/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're not a nerd hand




correction. he's not a hand, as in no hand-jobs. phio and BlueYoMind give me hand-jobs. that's the real McCoy

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Just a regular ol' everyday degenerate.




not without a hand-job, he ain't. i'm just taking everything he has away. first he giveth than he taketh awayyyyyy


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23804861 - 11/05/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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PatrickKn said:
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moonrockmushy said:
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akira_akuma said:
phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.

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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written




perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by and unwieldy mob.



Wtf I don't make the nerd list?  :crankey: too cool for you?



You're not a nerd. Just a regular ol' everyday degenerate.




But I can fix 80s machines.  Does not that stand for any nerd cred these days?


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804868 - 11/05/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
Considering "If you're an illegal citizen go ahead and vote" would be a felony, and "If you're illegal and vote, don't worry you won't face punishment" has the same message, then the topic of OP isn't that inaccurate.  Grasping at straws doesn't change what was said, and sacrificing your own ethics/morality/justice in order to contradict the statement in the OP makes you no better than the original argument regarding the original statement. 

To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written.  Beating your chest in a manner that disregards the intended point of the law shows your disregard for the law, and does nothing to negate the point and purpose of what was being stated.



:asianofapproval:


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804883 - 11/05/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

all users of the shroomery, unless you are in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington or the District of Columbia, please drop your pipes...this is a raid.

it's THE LAW. knock knock. do you agree? do you comply? no? BANG BANG BangBANGBANG!

DEAD motherfucker


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23804888 - 11/05/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.



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MrBlueYoMind said:
How does one deal with the cognitive dissonance of towing the line between "if you're illegal you can vote" vs "if you're illegal and vote you won't face repercussions."  You've got to know that you are contradicting your own position while pretending to be in line with your supposed view.

Sounds like more justifications/rationalizations for your own shitty goalpost movement regarding what is right/ethical/moral/just. 

FWIW I think Trump and Hillary are both horrible choices.  But to pretend you are in the right based on subtle wordplay is disdainful.  "We're not encouraging illegals to vote, just letting the illegals that are scared to vote know that if they do vote then they shouldn't worry about getting in trouble (for breaking the law)."

GTFO here you pathetic snakes.  Pat yourself on the back for being a scumbag.



:asianofapproval:
Glad to see someone other than me sees exactly what I see.

The interesting thing to observe is that the door that these people creep open for such shit is the pathway by which they get fucked. People try to inform them of this and they spit on them and kick them. So, they're going to keep opening up that door until something royally fucks them sideways and there isn't going to be a peep from those who know better. Hurts them most of all yet they beat their chest in glory. Quite amazing and I could imagine that there are some interesting potentials licking their chops at the sight
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804900 - 11/05/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
all users of the shroomery, unless you are in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington or the District of Columbia, please drop your pipes...this is a raid.

it's THE LAW. knock knock. do you agree? do you comply? no? BANG BANG BangBANGBANG!

DEAD motherfucker




Letter of the law versus the spirit of the law.
I'm glad you brought that up.

Obama should be able to tell you all about the difference.
He's seemingly an expert at manipulating the letter of the law in order to circumvent the spirit of the law. This was a classic example and his wording aligned as such.

Carry on...  the voices of reason and truth are slowly growing silent.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804901 - 11/05/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

dude, i hope you're not doing drugs. in most cases, that's willingly breaking the law.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23804907 - 11/05/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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phio said:
Letter of the law versus the spirit of the law.
I'm glad you brought that up.

Obama should be able to tell you all about the difference.
He's seemingly an expert at manipulating the letter of the law in order to circumvent the spirit of the law. This was a classic example and his wording aligned as such.

Carry on...  the voices of reason and truth are slowly growing silent.



the spirit of the law is that the laws that are found to be unjust should not be held in regard to the spirit of the law. perhaps he feels that way about this law, like i said; and he's allowed to, the spirit of the law is malleable, unlike the letter. care to address that without the spirited misdirection?

(PS: 'To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, "an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law."')


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23804913 - 11/05/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dude you're way over analyzing this. It was a sloppily worded question, and he answered in a clumsy way. He wasn't advocating illegals should vote. This entire thread is retarded.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804918 - 11/05/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

probably, but there isn't any way to convince these peeps of that.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23804961 - 11/05/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They aren't serious people. So no, there's no way to get to them when they are perfectly content being silly.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
    #23804971 - 11/05/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

kids these days...seriously. F me in the A, koods, they are some dumb-cumfilled-ragamuffins with no sense of direction.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805040 - 11/05/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

First off, lets get on the same page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law
The letter of the law versus the spirit of the law is an idiomatic antithesis. When one obeys the letter of the law but not the spirit, one is obeying the literal interpretation of the words (the "letter") of the law, but not necessarily the intent of those who wrote the law. Conversely, when one obeys the spirit of the law but not the letter, one is doing what the authors of the law intended, though not necessarily adhering to the literal word

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the spirit of the law is that the laws that are found to be unjust should not be held in regard to the spirit of the law.




Incorrect. When the letter of the law and the spirit of the law are unjust, steps and procedures should be taken to remove the law and will have a basis in doing so due to it being provable unjust. When a law exists and it is just and there is a letter of law one should uphold the spirit of the law ( intent of those who wrote the law). Note : Not your personal intent, goals, and agendas.

However, to a radical (the spirit of the law) provision serves as a conduit of exploitation.


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perhaps he feels that way about this law, like i said; and he's allowed to, the spirit of the law is malleable, unlike the letter. care to address that without the spirited misdirection?




Sure I can address this. Being a scholar of law and the President of the United States should resign someone to think beyond their personal feelings, goals, and agendas and think more-so about what's good for the country.

Obama has a long standing belief of 'radical change through practical measures'.
He is known and characteristic as such. Practical measures w.r.t to being a scholar of law centers on attacks agains the letter and spirit of law which is what he quite clearly did all throughout his presidency many times for bad outcomes. Many of his radical and destructive changes will take years for the avg. person to digest and perceive whereas those in the know are quite clear as to what they have done.

If you want to understand Obama, review his detailed history and his wife's history.
They both are centered on  radical backgrounds and radical associates. This is important in understanding what are his possible goals behind attacking the spirit of the a written law.

This helps you understand why he would force under the threat of prosecution that our border patrol agencies don't enforce the letter and spirit of the federal immigration laws which unequivocally and all throughout history maintain that sovereign countries maintain their borders even to the extent of physical violence any outsider who attempts to illegally enter a country.

This helps you understand why he would get up on national television and slickly define a loophole for illegal voting.. But many don't know his past, his associates, and his spirit. Thus, armed with a Harvard Law degree and greed filled backers, he made mince meat of this nation's laws including the just spirit of the law.

All the while w/ the unanimous support of the pleb populous. So, why allow a horde of illegals into the country under the threat to our federal agencies enforcement of the just and sane immigration laws? Well you see, businesses profit from supply/demand wage arbitrage. Crashing a system to get change (racial demographic change in America) via breaking the federal laws is not out of place for Obama. It's a means to, in his mind, a good end.

In the coming age of a global standard of living, it helps when the most prosperous country in the world has been overrun by impoverished illegals in that one can state : look a the standards of America... To what reference do you ask of better standards?

But you see, you nor others are looking that far or deep nor do you believe anyone who tells you to. The powers that be know this.

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akira_akuma said:
(PS: 'To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, "an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law."')



Defense of self and property is quite the natural law thats observed throughout the world.
The problem becomes when you elect a radical and very educated president who believes that America in its current state, given its history owes something to minorities of a past time that it stole from and thus radically alters the letter/spirit/practice of the laws in the country to surrender it to said people under the guise of Humanitarian aide and what's right for a country like Mexico or any other minority that has a lower unemployment rate and debt/gdp than us...

In 2016, United States public debt-to-GDP ratio was estimated at 71.8% or 104.5%,
Mexico recorded a Government Debt to GDP of 43.2 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2015.

The uneducated masses don't think on the level of the educated with agendas. So, much of this never becomes clear to them nor do they believe anyone who informs them as such as they most often subscribe to appeal to authority over sense/logic which they haven't carefully crafted to supersede authoritative remarks.

So yeah... America got played like a fiddle as did many African Americans as Obama's agendas and thus his spirit were set upon things far and beyond their interest. Sadly Obama got played to. He probably believed his efforts would hand the country over to and make a more fair place for minorities while those thinking many levels ahead of him utilized his myopic and naive efforts to further suppress the living conditions and freedoms of everyone in a much longer con.

That being said, what's done is done and no doubt Americans via the same process are lining up for another fucking...

What more can I say to this? The world is a different place depending on where you're standing


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805058 - 11/05/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
probably, but there isn't any way to convince these peeps of that.




A balance is always maintained ...


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
    #23805091 - 11/05/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Incorrect. When the letter of the law and the spirit of the law are unjust, steps and procedures should be taken to remove the law and will have a basis in doing so due to it being provable unjust.




this is incorrect. the foundation of steps and procedures are not there to remove/show an unjust law, they are there to make corrections. to disobey the law is the only way to show that it's unjust. :shrug: otherwise there is no way to show it is unjust. Lex iniusta non est lex.

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Note : Not your personal intent, goals, and agendas.



this isn't legal opportunism, as there was no personal agenda to fulfil here.

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So, why allow a horde of illegals into the country under the threat to our federal agencies enforcement of the just and sane immigration laws? Well you see, businesses profit from supply/demand wage arbitrage. Crashing a system to get change (racial demographic change in America) via breaking the federal laws is not out of place for Obama. It's a means to, in his mind, a good end.




where's the horde? so far Obama's plan has apparently failed.

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In the coming age of a global standard of living, it helps when the most prosperous country in the world has been overrun by impoverished illegals in that one can state : look a the standards of America... To what reference do you ask of better standards?




what standards have changed due to illegal immigrants?

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further suppress the living conditions and freedoms of everyone in a much longer con.




example?

PS: i know we can't be talking about what Obama didn't say, anymore; i'm assuming this discussion is more on a persons ethics in response to what they see as an unjust law; seeing as that is what i'm speculating is why he is answering her question without scolding her for the "illegals" comment. i have no evidence for him "rigging the system" to gain his own advantages, nor in the way of making a "demographic change" -- where is the huge change in demographics? can you show me?

any evidence at all.


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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23805108 - 11/05/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Serious question, do you wake up in the morning and get in the mindset that you're going to respond to every post in a long winded way in the pub? You're everywhere! In like every thread ive been reading with sagas and shit ha


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