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No, just the guy who married an illegal
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23804607 - 11/05/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: fooling anyone about what? Obama said "you won't get scrutinised" ie, you can go and vote and worry not about people scrutinising you. that is note a call or incitement to vote.

So, a Harvard Law Grad doesn't know how to clearly state what the laws are regarding illegals voting? He instead choses to reverse the ordering implying causation where none exists : "If you vote, you're a citizen" <- this is patently false On top of that, it implies that such a relationship is assumed. He then further defines that the assumption that you're a citizen before you vote isn't scrutinized...
Defining essentially a loophole for illegals to vote. Now, you're going to sit there and essentially play dumb on the matter as well as a Harvard Law Grad?
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
#23804609 - 11/05/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hadn't liked him until I realized a clever scoundrel is exactly what America needs right now. We do things by the books too much. We're due for someone who isn't just corrupt but completely embraces corruption as a lifestyle.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
#23804608 - 11/05/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seems you need to re-watch the video.
nah, i pretty much had said everything you just said. save the mistakes.
You didn't which is why I spoke clearly and directly about what was being suggested in the clip and the totality of the framing of the question. The framing and context was capture in the clip. The questioner outlined an illegal immigrant voting.
He spoke outside of the spirit of federal laws and outlined a way for an illegal to, with a high success rate, vote illegally. Thus the ordering of the words : "When you vote, you're a citizen" vs "You can only vote in federal election procedures If you're a citizen"
I don't expect someone who is unfamiliar w/ the idiosyncrasies of language in a lawful context to understand this slight of hand which is why I defined it for you.
LOL, i short formed the actual interview, to prove that indeed Obama did not incite voter fraud. his lacking use of specificity is not my problem, but yours. although this still doesn't mean he "incited voter fraud".
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"If you vote, you're a citizen"
ie, if you are in the USA you get treated like a citizen with the inalienable rights of man, and you can go and vote, eg, "if you vote, you're [treated like] a citizen.
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Defining essentially a loophole for illegals to vote. Now, you're going to sit there and essentially play dumb on the matter as well as a Harvard Law Grad?
i'm not arguing about law. i'm arguing about ethics. Obama didn't incite anyone to commit voter fraud. he assuaged her worries about surveillance.
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Pretty sure telling an illegal they can vote isn't illegal. Bad legal advice, but not illegal.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23804619 - 11/05/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: LOL, i short formed the actual interview, to prove that indeed Obama did not incite voter fraud. his lacking use of specificity is not my problem, but yours. although this still doesn't mean he "incited voter fraud".
It is a problem for someone who knows the law and knows how to state it clearly but choses to state it in a manner that defines a loophole for voting. It isn't new or uncharacteristic of his presidency and this is one of the more clear examples of him doing so.
The fact that you claim ignorance after it being clearly laid out to you examples that it is willful ignorance and such choices are your problem not mine.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods] 4
#23804621 - 11/05/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think we should revoke citizen voting rights and let the rest of the world decide. I bet trump never asks Ivanka what she wants to do.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23804624 - 11/05/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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We should definitely have a civics test before you can vote.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804626 - 11/05/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i'm not arguing about law. i'm arguing about ethics. Obama didn't incite anyone to commit voter fraud. he assuaged her worries about surveillance.
Alright champ.. Play dumb... Just remember : the door swings both ways. You want to open the door for this kind of foolishness? be prepared to accept it in all its glory down the road..
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: phio]
#23804629 - 11/05/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't expect someone who is unfamiliar w/ the idiosyncrasies of language in a lawful context to understand this slight of hand which is why I defined it for you.
LOL, i understood the language he used was to assuage her fears of being hunted down like a dog; and any legal consequence of such 'legerdemain' is unfounded. he addressed a touchy question, and you jump. 
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phio said: It is a problem for someone who knows the law and knows how to state it clearly but choses to state it in a manner that defines a loophole for voting. It isn't new or uncharacteristic of his presidency and this is one of the more clear examples of him doing so.
The fact that you claim ignorance after it being clearly laid out to you examples that it is willful ignorance and such choices are your problem not mine.
the video claims he incited voter fraud. he didn't. he told her that people shouldn't fear themselves being hunted down or jailed.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods] 1
#23804634 - 11/05/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: We should definitely have a civics test before you can vote.
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing.
That and abolishing the electoral college so people can vote directly for their candidate, its not the 19th century anymore.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: zZZz]
#23804650 - 11/05/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Y dont yall just leave obama alone, ya big bullies
Why? Maybe its because the media on a whole and in general protects him. People see how shitty things are after 8 years with him and the liberal biased media's manipulation of events isnt fooling working man/woman of what the brass tax is.
I mean GW had a hurricane machine and was blamed for everything, obama is like Teflon.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#23804687 - 11/05/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How does one deal with the cognitive dissonance of towing the line between "if you're illegal you can vote" vs "if you're illegal and vote you won't face repercussions." You've got to know that you are contradicting your own position while pretending to be in line with your supposed view.
Sounds like more justifications/rationalizations for your own shitty goalpost movement regarding what is right/ethical/moral/just.
FWIW I think Trump and Hillary are both horrible choices. But to pretend you are in the right based on subtle wordplay is disdainful. "We're not encouraging illegals to vote, just letting the illegals that are scared to vote know that if they do vote then they shouldn't worry about getting in trouble (for breaking the law)."
GTFO here you pathetic snakes. Pat yourself on the back for being a scumbag.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23804703 - 11/05/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe if the thread (and links) didn't insist that Obama did something he didn't do, we could avoid having to address that elephant in the room, and cut to brass tax. what's snakey is to call out "Obama commits felony incitement of voter fraud, read all about it!" when that's not actually true. (no offence, Bill, not saying you're snakey, just that the wording is snakey)
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804778 - 11/05/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why? Maybe its because the media on a whole and in general protects him. People see how shitty things are after 8 years with him and the liberal biased media's manipulation of events isnt fooling working man/woman of what the brass tax is.
The US has the strongest economy in the world. So Shitty 
The problem we have is voters like yourself who are completely detached from reality - mush for brains as it were.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: koods]
#23804786 - 11/05/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Akira is sharper than a pawn like you could ever realize. Don't you ever dare question his wisdom kid.
oh nvm fuck you and your refail
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#23804794 - 11/05/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Considering "If you're an illegal citizen go ahead and vote" would be a felony, and "If you're illegal and vote, don't worry you won't face punishment" has the same message, then the topic of OP isn't that inaccurate. Grasping at straws doesn't change what was said, and sacrificing your own ethics/morality/justice in order to contradict the statement in the OP makes you no better than the original argument regarding the original statement.
To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written. Beating your chest in a manner that disregards the intended point of the law shows your disregard for the law, and does nothing to negate the point and purpose of what was being stated.
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phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804801 - 11/05/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.
Ironic.
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Edited by MrBlueYoMind (11/05/16 09:13 PM)
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Re: Obama commits felony on live TV [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804810 - 11/05/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: phio is a bit of a nerd. and BlueYoMind too.
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To be honest, Obama was knowingly encouraging a behavior that is intentionally prohibited using a manner of speech that seeks to circumvent the way the point/law is written
perhaps he thinks the law is retarded anyway. alot of people do. not they see the law as being misused, or anything, but just worth rebuffing because people are afraid of being persecuted and/or accosted by and unwieldy mob.
Wtf I don't make the nerd list? too cool for you?
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