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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #23805897 - 11/06/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok here's why it works. Unlike a regular metal jar lid, a plastic jar lid is one piece. The only opening of it is the underside lip. If a spore were to go into the contents of the jar, it'd have to defy gravity, or have a strong enough current to push it in. Unless there's like a gentle breeze on your jars at all times, pasty's plastic lid tek is good.

Still air boxes are kinda similar, there's never a perfect seal on the bottom when it's flipped upside down, but we never have to worry because the spores would have to defy gravity to go under the lip then up into the contents of our work area.

And when I say you don't post I meant you don't like post a tek that proves your claims on the majority of shit is garbage, or post to correct garbage information. That's what I aim to do when I see garbage, and I rarely feel the majority of it is garbage.


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: Mad Season]
    #23806548 - 11/06/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm sorry I'm just tired of seeing my friends who follow all these "meta" teks failing.

A large majority of the shit going around today is just garbage.





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Mad Season said:And when I say you don't post I meant you don't like post a tek that proves your claims on the majority of shit is garbage, or post to correct garbage information.



I would also like to hear any suggestions, improvements or corrections too. I would also like to hear more clarification on the blunt claims, e.g. "large majority" to me would infer 70%+, and would infer it meaning posts claiming to be "teks" from the first quote, and so people reading it might think "this guy thinks 70% of teks in the last 3 years will lead to failure while old ones will not". In pasty's lid thread I mentioned the use of plastic bags, which I use on regular filtered jars too, especially in the first stages i.e. a contribution that I think might help it, which might be suitable for some people.

Is he suggesting that older posts are more worthwhile reading than todays? which could be inferred from the post. Many are telling people to filter out old results, but IMO there are loads of old posts and some very old publications which are very worthwhile reading, that includes stuff over 100 years old.

We need more info to determine what is meant. Its like some random thread on a food forum saying "Heinz ketchup is going cheap, only $1 for a small bottle" and some hit & run post saying "Heinz ketchup is garbage" and having to make several more posts to get the poster to reveal they actually hate all ketchup in general, or that they buy it in 10 gallon drums and do not consider it a good price.


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: blackout] * 1
    #23806563 - 11/06/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The idea is that if something from that time were excessively important to know, then discussion of it would have come up about it again fairly recently.  Obviously some tidbits can be lost that way but we also weed out a lot of silly crap.  It's a trade off, but right now I don't know of a better system other than generalizing about old posts and then manually pointing out those that are the exception.


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #23806685 - 11/06/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The idea is that if something from that time were excessively important to know, then discussion of it would have come up about it again fairly recently.



I get the idea behind it. It's more that complete newbies reading posts like this...

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A large majority of the shit going around today is just garbage.




...might think the newly posted stuff is the stuff to be ignored, and so pay more attention to older teks, which are possibly not recommended anymore. On the flip-side I do not like this term "outdated" I see mentioned a lot, it is either shite or not, be it written yesterday or 100 years ago, some "outdated" techniques might still suit growers more than others. Many are far too self centered on their own setups and are blind to the advantages of alternatives that may not be beneficial to them at all.

Discussion about worthwhile topics may not have come up again either, many worthy theories & topics are suppressed for various reasons. I spend a lot of time reading very old posts.


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: blackout]
    #23808218 - 11/06/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's not necessarily a "this tek will lead to failure" thing to me, it's more of a "right tool for the job" ideology, and any craftsman will tell you having the right tools makes a big difference in their work. While I wouldn't point anyone to a lot of these teks, great improvements have been made through some of them at the same time... mostly as a result of Pasty's agar tek. As you all remember it wasn't but a 3 or 4 years ago that very few people started out with agar - and now it is common practice. That's awesome! But... on the other side of the coin, using the PP5 containers for agar plates indefinitely is not a great practice IMO. So I try to see the good & bad of things like this.

I also understand that I have a different perspective on mushroom cultivation than a lot of the community, which is why I've always avoided being confrontational or outspoken about these feelings, because maybe my POV isn't necessarily relevant to the average consumer of this information. All I have are my experiences, which have led to the methodology that works best for me. However, to me the reality of the situation is that Aloha, FP, or any of the handful of mushroom farms that I have visited or worked on over the years don't use plastic lids, or lids without filters, or blend agar & water to make their spawn, or cut their filter discs, or do sterile work inside a plastic container... etc etc. These are the sources where I have modeled my techniques from :shrug:



Anyways, I'm sorry I didn't mean to derail the OP's discussion, or to hurt anyone's feelings. Feel free to PM me if you would like to talk anymore about the off topic :peace:


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #23809807 - 11/07/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Without going into the above: PirateSwazey always worth listening to, and good sterile technique is more important than the form of the SFD.

I cut the disks into quarter-sized patches because (1) the unit price is high, (2) spawning requires much less gas exchange than the circumference of a bottle can provide, and (3) my technique depends on a port inoculation. So the disks were a hole bored in them anyway.

Violet truffle tek has a good pictorial guide for this method. It is described in RR grain spawn video. Sounds good until you remember that the cut discs, unlike intact, must eventually be replaced.


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: JesseCruz]
    #23809878 - 11/07/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I cut the disks into quarter-sized patches because (1) the unit price is high

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Sounds good until you remember that the cut discs, unlike intact, must eventually be replaced.





From your logic it sems more economical to buy the appropriate size filter disks for your lids, regardless of GE hole size, and keep them intact


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23810188 - 11/07/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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and good sterile technique is more important than the form of the SFD.



Odd thing to say. It doesn't matter how good your sterile technique is if your SFDs are letting in mold. In fact, your lid set up and what filters you use are indeed part of your sterile technique considering your lid set up allows GE while keeping the spawn sterile.


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #23810415 - 11/07/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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From your logic it sems more economical to buy the appropriate size filter disks for your lids, regardless of GE hole size, and keep them intact



It depends on where you are. 10 large discs for $ 20 makes me over 200 reusable patches in all dimensions, but a smaller disk 100 sleeve cost more than $ 100. The discs remain to be drilled to allow the injection port because a flow hood another investment. It ignores all other supplies.

But I agree, whole disks are more economical in the scale.

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Odd thing to say. It doesn't matter how good your sterile technique is if your SFDs are letting in mold. In fact, your lid set up and what filters you use are indeed part of your sterile technique considering your lid set up allows GE while keeping the spawn sterile.



You can remove patches with a scalpel and soaked in bleach before going back to them, but it does not seem necessary in a quality job. Whole disks are easier but more expensive.


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Re: Proper SFD lid preperation [Re: JesseCruz]
    #23810597 - 11/07/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They're a $1/ea. or less if you buy 100
http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/90-mm-synthetic-filter-discs-set-of-100.html

Hardly seems a big price to pay when we're talking about keeping spawn clean.


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