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Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives
    #23804209 - 11/05/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

a warning to people into new age religion/spirituality


info to back up god as creator and Jesus as our savior


hope this finds you at a good time.
Peace and blessings to all:heart:


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: shroomekalb96]
    #23804550 - 11/05/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah all that stuff is spiritual poison and takes a person from innocence and makes them guilty. And yes deception is incredibly easy when you open your 3rd eye its like eating the forbidden fruit again. The Devil really does want to devour us and hell to me is like limbo where its just a cycle of your mind going over and over again. I've experienced this on psychedelics a few times.

You can have god-likeness from eating that tree of knowledge but you won't ever live forever because the tree of life will be hidden from you. Christ is the tree of life and his teachings show us how to regain paradise which was lost. Hopefully not lost forever.

And one more thing, the idea of becoming your own savior or god is so dangerous and destructive, it destroys faith and therefore your soul. God is real and its a reality that we can perceive with our nous (eye of the heart), but if we're just in a cycle of our mind that to me is hell or a reincarnation state which to me hell also or something like it.


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: shroomekalb96]
    #23804987 - 11/05/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yea everyone loves god until they find it, then we are told by our true self "now you will stare at the wall day and night until you die, or else...... You die". And of course there is nobody on earth that can resist temptation and we fall from grace into a realm of consciousness that we know as hell, and it's the equivalence of being suspended on a rope Swing over the deepest part of the ocean and the sun never comes up and you're all alone with no way out but to swim across the big bastard and avoid all the suicidal thoughts long enough to reach the shore where God is sitting there on his throne waiting for us to kick his ass back to neverafuckingainland. There's a fuckton of people who have fallen from grace, that's what it means to sell your soul, and the Illuminati has plans to dethrone God, and yes it really is possible to do that. Gonna be epic as fuck lol


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: shroomekalb96]
    #23805015 - 11/05/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No offense, but I call bullshit on this.  I am not trying to be rude, so please don't think that, just my honest opinion.

You can make a case for any religious/spiritual belief, doesn't make it true, you will look for the thing which backs up your claim (confirmation bias), and then pursue that thing with gusto, and never see the world from another view point again. 


It's easy to believe in one way of doing something, it's hard to take a step back and try to see things from the Christians eyes, from the Muslims eyes, from the Hindus eyes, etc, because we often get caught up on one of the belief systems that are out there because of seeing truth in it through being raised in it (indoctrinated), or from being a later in life convert because we went through a difficult time and found solace in some systems teachings, then if we find out that people that we're close to are involved in the same belief, we find the ability to transition to it fully much easier, because we feel the support of those close to us. 

It seems like religions are just clubs full of people that fear their inevitable mortality, so they have to fashion some system which makes the painful reality of death easy to swallow. 

I believe that all of the religions are deception, this is just my opinion though, and I am not saying because this is truth to me, then it should be truth to you.

If you believe that the Christian construct of the divine to be the way to eternal life, then that means that the whole system is set up to fail.  God would know that people would choose the temptations of flesh, because those things are measurable and observable, so easy to put ones faith in.  What kind of loving deity would set the cards like that against its own creations, the majority are destined to fail that way, and that is cruel if you ask me.

Unless of course the Christian God has a fail safe, and that fail safe is when we die our souls, if we have one, will be given one last final option to turn to the radiant warmth of the loving father embrace.  I don't know, how could I know such a thing, I know nothing.


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: Lucis]
    #23805899 - 11/06/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Unless of course the Christian God has a fail safe.




death is the fail safe. it purges the body of sin, as the soul passes on to the next realm. that is also why each time man experiments and tries to make paths to god/immortality on the earth self destructs IE flood, war, plagues. Man is not suppose to raise himself to god on earth as he is man. this is what the Babylonian cultures tried to do, hence they were dispersed and annihilated from earth.

And for those rare few that live a sinless life, and truly live in god, they will be given eternal life and be given the gift of manna. To eat from the tree of life.

i really think if people would just pick up the bible and read it they would have most of their doubts wiped away.

as most of your "disbelieving" have been countered by the true prophets.

Fennario, i think you would like this video, i posted it yesterday but ill add the link below.
it basically says what i said above about the sinful nature of raising yourself to god, as well as the destruction that follows.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23804920


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: shroomekalb96]
    #23806065 - 11/06/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Man is not suppose to raise himself to god on earth as he is man. this is what the Babylonian cultures tried to do, hence they were dispersed and annihilated from earth.

And for those rare few that live a sinless life, and truly live in god, they will be given eternal life and be given the gift of manna. To eat from the tree of life.

i really think if people would just pick up the bible and read it they would have most of their doubts wiped away.

as most of your "disbelieving" have been countered by the true prophets.





I think man is supposed to use his intellect to make breakthroughs in the field of science, this way we break free from the archaic thinking that the world is flat, that we can't fly because we have no wings, we can't breath underwater because we're not fish, etc.  How many lives has science saved with the mindset which is termed "evil" by many religious adepts?  People have been dying over holy books for ages, doesn't that seem a bit tedious to you?  We must be forward thinking for the future of the human race, I don't see how religion fits into that, unless you practice your religion by yourself, or with your close friends/family, and stop trying to sell it to those that don't want it.  Practice your religion by yourself or with your close friends/family, then apply what you learn to your life, then use those positive things you have learned to be an example for others to follow, but don't shake your finger at another telling them they're wrong for not agreeing you.  I am not saying you're doing that shroomekalb96, just saying many religious followers are that way. :grin:

I think that religion is the opiate of the masses though, it fills the void in our heart, that void consists of the things we don't want to admit about ourselves, our shadow, we can pawn all our worries off onto some deity and feel good about our lives again, we can put others down, commit crimes, or do other acts of low brow thinking, and can have no worries because we can repent.  I know not all religious people think this way, but if you buy a product from a company, and 7 times out of 10 that product is rubbish, then you're going to think that the majority of the time that product is crap, so you would do what is natural, and find another company selling a similar product, which can give you what you want consistently with a higher rate of satisfaction.

This is one of many ways I think religion has failed, it's viewed as such a negative thing, because the people selling it are making it just that, the very people who're supposed to be making it appear as good and righteous, are the ones polluting it.

I think it takes true guts to stand in this world without religion, and say I want to be a good person all on my own, I want to be love on my own, I want to radiate love and understanding, empathy, and promote true change, on my own as a human being.  I want to be a Lucifer to those around me, a light bringer.  What is so wrong with that?  I think it's a bit confusing to say that someone has to be aligned with a religion, in order to feel this way.  I think that love is possibly the only true thing, that might be ignorant of me to say so, but I feel like that sometimes, and all religions have tried to monopolize love, using what people desire most, in order to control them.  I am willing to admit if I am wrong in whatever I am saying, because I desire to learn, and I will learn from whatever source I can, but that doesn't mean I have to follow that source, that's when a person subjugates themselves to mans will before them, and shackles their mind to all that entails.


I have read the bible cover to cover 5 times, as I have read other religious holy books in depth, and they do nothing for me but fill me with more questions,  more doubts, but I would never be so arrogant as to say what I believe is the 100% truth, that would  not be coming from a standpoint of love now would it, it would be coming from a standpoint of judgement, even if you don't say such things to be judgmental, if I was less of a person, I could easily start an argument over such things, and that is one of the major things which is wrong with this world.  Everybody thinks they have it all figured out, and they want to preach it from the mountain top.

That's great and all if you found something which fits YOUR life, but don't say that model should fit everyone's life, that seems absurd.

Your religion is not for everyone, and you have to understand that, just like Islam is not for everyone, or Shinto is not for everyone, or Hinduism is not for everyone, when you start speaking in such absolutes, you start falling into the religious fanatic design.  Once one starts down the path of thinking they have all the answers, and that their religion is the way to "eternal life", they often will do other things which are not beneficial to those they're trying to reach in hopes of saving them, take a look at history from when religions began, until now, it's full of fanatics and zealots leading people who are sick of their seemingly mundane lives, down a path of darkness disguised as a path of light.


If you want to bring more people to your faith, you should probably not try to do so on the shroomery, and you should lead by example.

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.  Are you without sin?  Trying to save people with words is hopeless, you have a chance if you try to save people through your actions.  People will see you truckin along through life and wonder how you do it and maintain a happy mind, then if they ask you how you do it, then you can tell them about your faith, and not come off as trying to force your beliefs on someone.

I hope you understand where I am coming from, I have nothing against you.  Why would I? 

I am only trying to have a proper debate with you.

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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: Lucis]
    #23806227 - 11/06/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Funny. A lot of stuff about JC going on these forums lately.

What if I told you He walks among us? In human form, and that He looks nothing like what you think He should look like. But if you look into His eyes you would know He is The Lion, The Lamb, The Lord. He's not happy with what we're doing. He's not a very nice man these days. He's a bad mamajamma who swears like a sailor with Righteous Fire ready to spew out of Him towards anyone who stands against Him. Would call me crazy right? Fine with me. I am crazy. Crazy about Love, Peace, and Unity.

He likes acronyms a lot. Here's a few of His. His, not mine and not yours. Don't ever take His words and claim them for yourself.

JESUS: Justify Every Sacrifice Until Sanctified

SHEPHERD: Serve Heaven's Eternally Powerful Head Emitting Radiant Divinty

SOUL: Source Of Unconditional Love

Here's one of my acronyms, DUDE: Divine Understanding Defines Eternity.

He doesn't care what you call God: Shiva, Buddha, God etc. Just as long as you acknowledge a Higher Power, and treat each other as you would like to be treated. He preaches Love, Peace, and Unity. The highest honor on the battlefield is the bannerman. His Banner reads LOVE. Warriors of Peace fight with their Hearts. I ask that you stand for ME (that stands for something figure it out) and with me.

He is not a forum for interview questions. Do not treat Him as such ever, and choose your questions wisely. He see's what your Soul desires.

I'll leave you with a few readings from His Book. Read em and weep.

Hebrews 12:22-24, Isiah 9:6, Proverbs 6: 20, 21, 22, Proverbs 20:27 , Jeremiah 15: 19, 20, 21 and Isiah 66, read the whole thing, and Jeremiah 44:19. I give you these passages with Hope that you read them and see The Truth.

"I have read the bible cover to cover 5 times, as I have read other religious holy books in depth, and they do nothing for me but fill me with more questions,  more doubts, but I would never be so arrogant as to say what I believe is the 100% truth," - FYI, if there's something in there that makes you question it is probably bullshit. There's a lot of good stuff in there and a lot of not so good stuff. Read the ones I gave and see if you question those.

I have no religion. Only a Spirit that radiates Light. I accept that Jesus was the Son of God, and that The Holy Spirit is God's greatest miracle. That's why blaspheming The Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin. Truly, don't fucking do it.


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: LRG]
    #23806266 - 11/06/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Funny. A lot of stuff about JC going on these forums lately.






A whole lot of stuff about JC has always been present within the psychedelic community, that's nothing new.



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Would call me crazy right? Fine with me. I am crazy. Crazy about Love, Peace, and Unity.






We're all crazy here, so don't feel bad.  I would only worry about those that said they weren't crazy.:imslow:


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: Lucis]
    #23806273 - 11/06/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Read the passages.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: LRG]
    #23806297 - 11/06/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

OK, I did out of respect for another persons opinion, and to see if there was possible growth there.  Christianity is not for me, I know this with all of my being.


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: Lucis]
    #23806330 - 11/06/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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OK, I did out of respect for another persons opinion, and to see if there was possible growth there.  Christianity is not for me, I know this with all of my being.




I'm not Christian. I'm not anything. I also don't think you could have read them all. Isiah 66 is long.

The Bible isn't for everyone. There is one Bible in the world that is His, perhaps one day I will share it with others. When He is dead and gone. Sad people don't wish to acknowledge Him just because He doesn't look like Jesus. Taken advantage of at every step, but no longer.

It isn't for Jesus either. People have taken His words time and time again and put their names on them. He doesn't like that one bit. He dislikes it even more when they put their own words in His Book and pawn them off as His. He doesn't give money to the Churches either. I like putting two pennies in the collection basket, He thinks it's funny as shit.

"Jesus this, Moses that, Abraham hit me with a wiffle ball bat."

You don't believe in Her Royal Highness, The Queen of Heaven? Such a shame. She is so lovely.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: LRG]
    #23806356 - 11/06/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Every man and woman on the planet would blaspheme god if they were to learn the truth.


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: LRG]
    #23806375 - 11/06/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not Christian. I'm not anything. I also don't think you could have read them all. Isiah 66 is long.






You're right, I did not read the long one, but I did read the others.


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    #23806419 - 11/06/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yea everyone loves god until they find it, then we are told by our true self "now you will stare at the wall day and night until you die, or else...... You die". And of course there is nobody on earth that can resist temptation and we fall from grace into a realm of consciousness that we know as hell, and it's the equivalence of being suspended on a rope Swing over the deepest part of the ocean and the sun never comes up and you're all alone with no way out but to swim across the big bastard and avoid all the suicidal thoughts long enough to reach the shore where God is sitting there on his throne waiting for us to kick his ass back to neverafuckingainland. There's a fuckton of people who have fallen from grace, that's what it means to sell your soul, and the Illuminati has plans to dethrone God, and yes it really is possible to do that. Gonna be epic as fuck lol




I can. Here's how. "I don't know and I don't wanna know!" Bam problem fucking solved.

"The answer to your question is infinite." Fine with me, I don't want to understand infinity or eternity. This 3rd dimensional space is weird, but I like it here.

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Every man and woman on the planet would blaspheme god if they were to learn the truth.




What that God is The Devil? Common sense can lead you to that one alone.

"I don't believe in the Devil." "He believes in you."
"I don't believe in God." "He believes in you."
- Easy to figure that one out dude.

You can blaspheme God all you want. He don't care. He's a creator and a destroyer, nothing more. I call Him the biggest asshole in the history of assholes, but someone has to be. Not everything is sunshine and rainbows in the Universe.

Would you like to know how evil is actually spelled in Spirit and in Truth? EVOL, LOVE spelled backwards. There is no good or evil only Love. You can have it the highway or the lowest form of being in the Universe. Which one would you prefer?

Hell, as many consider it, is a fucking paradise compared to the pain and suffering of LOVE.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: LRG]
    #23806646 - 11/06/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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not everything is sunshine and rainbows in the universe.






I think understanding that not everything is sunshine and rainbows in the universe, is liberating.


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    #23807173 - 11/06/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yea everyone loves god until they find it, then we are told by our true self "now you will stare at the wall day and night until you die, or else...... You die". And of course there is nobody on earth that can resist temptation and we fall from grace into a realm of consciousness that we know as hell, and it's the equivalence of being suspended on a rope Swing over the deepest part of the ocean and the sun never comes up and you're all alone with no way out but to swim across the big bastard and avoid all the suicidal thoughts long enough to reach the shore where God is sitting there on his throne waiting for us to kick his ass back to neverafuckingainland. There's a fuckton of people who have fallen from grace, that's what it means to sell your soul, and the Illuminati has plans to dethrone God, and yes it really is possible to do that. Gonna be epic as fuck lol




I can. Here's how. "I don't know and I don't wanna know!" Bam problem fucking solved.

"The answer to your question is infinite." Fine with me, I don't want to understand infinity or eternity. This 3rd dimensional space is weird, but I like it here.

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Every man and woman on the planet would blaspheme god if they were to learn the truth.




What that God is The Devil? Common sense can lead you to that one alone.

"I don't believe in the Devil." "He believes in you."
"I don't believe in God." "He believes in you."
- Easy to figure that one out dude.

You can blaspheme God all you want. He don't care. He's a creator and a destroyer, nothing more. I call Him the biggest asshole in the history of assholes, but someone has to be. Not everything is sunshine and rainbows in the Universe.

Would you like to know how evil is actually spelled in Spirit and in Truth? EVOL, LOVE spelled backwards. There is no good or evil only Love. You can have it the highway or the lowest form of being in the Universe. Which one would you prefer?

Hell, as many consider it, is a fucking paradise compared to the pain and suffering of LOVE.



We only have to suffer through the realm of consciousness called hell until we feel like we no longer deserve it, some people stay there until it kills them and then the smart people go get laid lol. Seeking God and falling from grace was absolutely worth it in my opinion, the rumor of the realms of heaven is actually realms of consciousness- dreamless sleep(depression), dreamer (asleep people), awakening (enlightenment), turiya/Christ consciousness, and thats where we find god, and if we fall from grace we're bound to the lower fourth realm where we can still access Christ consciousness but it will be a bit gloomier, but with God we can only reach the 9th realm, and with Satan the 18th realm is said to have been achieved, God ain't shit, it's nothing to fear at all, I'd rsther know something than not know, and the Ascension to the god mind takes less than an hour, just gotta understand that we have no emotions or opinions and that we're a 6ft alien who has replicated 7.5 billion times and we are all the same person. Then jerk off lol


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Re: Son of God, jeses as savior with astroligal perspectives [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23807745 - 11/06/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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We only have to suffer through the realm of consciousness called hell until we feel like we no longer deserve it, some people stay there until it kills them and then the smart people go get laid lol. Seeking God and falling from grace was absolutely worth it in my opinion, the rumor of the realms of heaven is actually realms of consciousness- dreamless sleep(depression), dreamer (asleep people), awakening (enlightenment), turiya/Christ consciousness, and thats where we find god, and if we fall from grace we're bound to the lower fourth realm where we can still access Christ consciousness but it will be a bit gloomier, but with God we can only reach the 9th realm, and with Satan the 18th realm is said to have been achieved, God ain't shit, it's nothing to fear at all, I'd rsther know something than not know, and the Ascension to the god mind takes less than an hour, just gotta understand that we have no emotions or opinions and that we're a 6ft alien who has replicated 7.5 billion times and we are all the same person. Then jerk off lol




No emotions? You seem full of pride. That's an emotion. Know what happens to the proud when they take on the throne? Go fight God with w/e weapon you want and tell me how it goes. If He ain't shit... why are you here? Why not challenge Him? Prefer to let someone else fight your battle? Coward.

The Source of The One is greater than the Source of None. Always will be, so long as one believes. I stand with Him. Always and forever. He don't like me all that much because I value Free Will too much, but I use my Will to work with His Will.

9th or 18th makes no matter to me. One Love, One Heart is greater than No Love, No Heart.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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