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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: AkashicExplorer] * 1
    #23806489 - 11/06/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The funniest and saddest part is many if not all religions are probably  the product of ancient psychedelic drug use... There is a ton of evidence for it in pretty much every major religion.

People have forgotten their roots as religion and spirituality have been made a commodity. A commodity and a mental prison...


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
    #23808352 - 11/07/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The funniest and saddest part is many if not all religions are probably  the product of ancient psychedelic drug use... There is a ton of evidence for it in pretty much every major religion.

People have forgotten their roots as religion and spirituality have been made a commodity. A commodity and a mental prison...



Exactly. Is this branching off of Mckenna's theory?


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23808485 - 11/07/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Exactly. Is this branching off of Mckenna's theory?




I can't say I specifically remember hearing Mckenna talk about that but I am not surprised he came to a similiar conclusion.

Are you referring to his stoned ape theory or did he talk more specifically about religion as well?


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
    #23808805 - 11/07/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Exactly. Is this branching off of Mckenna's theory?




I can't say I specifically remember hearing Mckenna talk about that but I am not surprised he came to a similiar conclusion.

Are you referring to his stoned ape theory or did he talk more specifically about religion as well?



I'm pretty sure he was talking about how indigenous primates and older species of humans encountered mushrooms when the plains of africa were drying out and since it gave them a edge in vision at low doses it gave them an advantage so the ones who didn't eat the mushrooms we're basically killed out.

I digress, after that he was talking about how this formed religion, imagination, and things like that.


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: AkashicExplorer] * 1
    #23809140 - 11/07/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Exactly.

Religion feeds fear, giving you a narrow reality you must obey, removing your freedom.
Psychedelics are born from the Earth and they make you question your reality, giving you freedom.

Enough said :P




I am certainly not a fan or believer of organized religion but I try to treat people online in the same way I would my religious grandmother.

There's just really no need for my arguing against her beliefs and certainly religions bloody history would not make me any more justified in attempting to deconstruct a belief system that is for her, and many others, a great source of comfort. Why not just let her have it?

Yes religion is a terrifying bloody example of irony and hideous slaughter in the name of so called goodness, but atheism, and relativism have been just as destructive and perhaps even more.

Thing is though atheism hedges no bets whatsoever, it is hardly very imaginative and as I got older I began to think it a more interesting challenge to explore the possibility that God or at least something out there may exist after all. 

When I was a teenager I would always be hating on religion but realize now I was just doing so because it made me feel as if I was smarter than a pretty huge demographic.

Not everyone who believes in God believes in taking the new testament or the bible literally, many just simply believe in God and all that comes with it is merely tradition.

God is a huge part of life and the psychedelic experience whether he is actually real or not he does have enormous power if only subconsciously and psychologically. Real or not, he does dwell deep within us all, and everyone will beg for his help when the time comes!

Maybe as I get older and after a few psychotic death trips too many I too am looking for the comfort of a religion or some spirituality?

This is arguably the persistent psychonaughts subconscious aspiration?

We are perhaps all looking for God!


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: wolf8312]
    #23809186 - 11/07/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Exactly.



Not everyone who believes in God believes in taking the new testament or the bible literally, many just simply believe in God and all that comes with it is merely tradition.

God is a huge part of life and the psychedelic experience whether he is actually real or not and he or it does have enormous power if only subconsciously and psychologically. Real or not, he does dwell deep within us all, and everyone will beg for his help when the time comes!

Maybe as I get older and after a few psychotic death trips too many I too am looking for the comfort of a religion or some spirituality?

This is arguably the persistent psychonaughts subconscious aspiration?

We are perhaps all looking for God!




I beleive in god, but hes (not he, never a person.) not what christians believe in.
If you don't follow the bible 100% your not a christian. Simple as that. I've been around all forms of christianity from jews to fuckin mennonite.
You go in church and challenge a word of the bible and they will eat you fucking alive.


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
    #23809195 - 11/07/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Haha yeah I guess I've had so little contact with such people that I am downplaying how infuriating they can be in the flesh!


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: wolf8312]
    #23809620 - 11/07/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Any examples of some atrocities atheists have committed? :lol:

I agree with what your saying overall I am just curious what you think makes them "possibly worse".


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
    #23809736 - 11/07/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union



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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: flickedbic]
    #23809753 - 11/07/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union






Still though, I wouldn't say those people were killed due to atheists beliefs. They were killed for their own beliefs.

That has happened pretty much all over the world for thousands of years atheist or not :shrug:

If the Soviets had not been atheist all those people still would have been killed I bet.

I just have a hard time believing anyone would kill due to their own lack of beliefs. Now killing someone for their different beliefs, that is a classic :nonono:


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
    #23809764 - 11/07/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nietzsches philosophy along with Darwinism were very enthusiastically embraced by Hitler (and his pals) and later used to justify all sorts of atrocities with the basic logic that what goes for animals goes twice so for human beings and that if morality/God doesnt exist then man should not be constrained by synthetic laws invented by men primarily to keep social order among the God fearing species.

The point is religion was created to keep order (sociatal stability) and to make people behave well to follow the rules and work together.

There have been many others serial killers and various psychopaths too (Ian Brady, Leopold and lobe) who embraced the same nietzchean philosophy and used it as a rational and justification for their own ruthless behaviour.

Again basically the Nazi philosophy deeply anti religious, and the idea being that good and evil were concepts invented for weaklings to cower behind while the strong by virtue of their ruthlessness are entitled to attain anything they can succeed in taking. This is basically dawinism and moral relativism.

I would venture a guess too though that the majority of religious tyrants who carried out heinous atrocities against innocent people throughout history were in reality guiltless psychopaths who didnt really believe themselves but were very good at getting people who did believe to do as they commanded.


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: wolf8312]
    #23809798 - 11/07/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would argue these atrocities occur at the extremes of both sides :shrug: People will always find reasons to justify what they do. If it wasn't religion or a lack of religion it would be something else. You could be right about the people exploiting religion now believing though, or at least some of them. I don't think any of us can say what true purpose religion really serves.

It has been twisted so much over the years it now reflects human desires more then anything else.

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This is basically dawinism and moral relativism.




That is BS, this is one take on Darwinism. Dawrinism/ evolution is the change that occurs not the acts that cause the change.

Evolution can go both ways. Look at the diversity of life that has evolved. There are parasites, symbiotic relationships, and generous lifeforms.

Just like in nature some people choose to be parasites and can justify their behavior in a million ways. But the majority of people try to live symbiotically.


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
    #23809809 - 11/07/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Still though, I wouldn't say those people were killed due to atheists beliefs. They were killed for their own beliefs.





By that token one could say all religious fanatics kill others for the other's beliefs, and not their own...

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Soviet Marxist-Leninism policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs, and actively encouraged atheism during its implementation in the Soviet Union.[1]

The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should accept.




Ibid


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: wolf8312]
    #23809850 - 11/07/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you don't follow the bible 100% your not a christian.
(...)
You go in church and challenge a word of the bible and they will eat you fucking alive.




I dunno man, maybe it used to be this way... now we have lesbian pastors; and god forbid you start talking about the Pharisees or asking about the synagogue of Satan.

I guess that comes with the 501c3 controlled corporate status (that's captured ~90%)where their preaching cannot contradict public policy, and many other shackles... sometimes I wonder what master they really serve.


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: flickedbic]
    #23809855 - 11/07/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Still though, I wouldn't say those people were killed due to atheists beliefs. They were killed for their own beliefs.





By that token one could say all religious fanatics kill others for the other's beliefs, and not their own...





I would argue it is different as Atheism is more a lack of beliefs in some ways. Also by some logic that is why religious people kill each other :shrug:

Clearly it is a bit of both though. People acting on their own beliefs as true while questioning/ persecuting others.


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Soviet Marxist-Leninism policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs, and actively encouraged atheism during its implementation in the Soviet Union.[1]

The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should accept.




All you have to do is replace a few words and this sounds just like any other massacre in history:


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Soviet Marxist-Leninism policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of christian beliefs, and actively encouraged Judaism during its implementation in the Soviet Union.[1]

The state was committed to the destruction of Christianity,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with Hebrew teachings, and generally promoted Judaism as the truth that society should accept.




If the soviets hadn't of used Atheism as an excuse it would have been something else. The same could be argued about religion perhaps :strokebeard:


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
    #23810963 - 11/07/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I would argue these atrocities occur at the extremes of both sides :shrug: People will always find reasons to justify what they do. If it wasn't religion or a lack of religion it would be something else. You could be right about the people exploiting religion now believing though, or at least some of them. I don't think any of us can say what true purpose religion really serves.

It has been twisted so much over the years it now reflects human desires more then anything else.

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This is basically dawinism and moral relativism.




That is BS, this is one take on Darwinism. Dawrinism/ evolution is the change that occurs not the acts that cause the change.

Evolution can go both ways. Look at the diversity of life that has evolved. There are parasites, symbiotic relationships, and generous lifeforms.

Just like in nature some people choose to be parasites and can justify their behavior in a million ways. But the majority of people try to live symbiotically.




No longer sure what you are driving at to be honest but respectfully don't really appreciate being told that what I said is  bullshit lol!

You wanted examples of atheist philosophy having been responsible for atrocities and I told you basically that Hitlers philosophy was a blend of Darwinism and Nietzsches moral relativism which he used as a very much atheist justification for what he did. True it was how he choose to interpret both, but the main point was it was Godless and atheist (although Hitler paradoxically was a spiritual almost religious man in many ways) in no way bound by conventional Christianity or its laws.

It is irrelevant whether his ideas were actually true dawinism in an evolutionary sense as we were really only discussing Dawins 'survival of the fittest' philosophy (applied to human beings) combined with Nietzsche's 'superman' brand of moral relativism. Yes it was all lazily cobbled together and bullshit but again I thought you were only asking for examples of atheist philosophy having been responsible for evil acts?

To be honest you seem to be averse to the idea that atheists can be evil too, but personally -and it's just my opinion- I tend to think it is the psychopathic atheists who are the most evil of all. I think although many of us are not consciously religious subconsciously we are, and do have a doubt and lingering feeling back there that there is indeed some force out there watching over us who we shouldn't really piss off. Our parents probably put that there but who knows!

I think people who can happily kill others without compunction probably don't have these same subconscious doubts and are as such unrestrained.


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: wolf8312]
    #23811177 - 11/07/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was just trying to say that is an interpretation of Darwinism that I would argue is flawed/ corrupted. Was not trying to be a rude, sorry.

I was also just trying to argue that in both cases it is just the extremists committing these massacres and using whatever guise they can to justify their actions.

Clearly anyone can be bad if history has taught us anything. But people do terrible things based on theirs or others interpretations of religions, ideals.

But I feel like there is a difference between the Nazi's / Soviets and organized religions committing heinous crimes. I guess the latter are almost governments in a way though.

I don't have much if any doubt that some form of "god" exists though I am sure it is much different then the average persons interpretations.


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: wolf8312]
    #23811891 - 11/08/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes it was all lazily cobbled together and bullshit but again I thought you were only asking for examples of atheist philosophy having been responsible for evil acts?

To be honest you seem to be averse to the idea that atheists can be evil too, but personally -and it's just my opinion- I tend to think it is the psychopathic atheists who are the most evil of all.





No doubt atheists can be 'evil' too, on an individual level.
The thing is, that atheism itself simply means the lack of belief in a deity.
Any of the evil acts you're describing can't be attributed to 'atheism' itself, and rather apply to whatever other ideology they were committed on behalf of (whether or not the people in these groups were atheist or not is irrelevant)


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    #23814004 - 11/08/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Mckenna never proposed a theory but he has said shamanism is the original religion. Plus that he said shamanism without psychedelics isnt true shamanism

So yes, mckenna did believe that all religion came from drugs


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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #23815198 - 11/09/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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wolf8312 said:
Yes it was all lazily cobbled together and bullshit but again I thought you were only asking for examples of atheist philosophy having been responsible for evil acts?

To be honest you seem to be averse to the idea that atheists can be evil too, but personally -and it's just my opinion- I tend to think it is the psychopathic atheists who are the most evil of all.





No doubt atheists can be 'evil' too, on an individual level.
The thing is, that atheism itself simply means the lack of belief in a deity.
Any of the evil acts you're describing can't be attributed to 'atheism' itself, and rather apply to whatever other ideology they were committed on behalf of (whether or not the people in these groups were atheist or not is irrelevant)




Its not a lack of belief in God which drives the act and such people are of course driven by personal gain, but it is also because they believe -consciously or unconsciously- that they will suffer no hellish consequences for doing what they do that they are able to do what they do.

Honestly some people do indeed take to this philosophy -nihilism with atheism at its core- as enthusiastically and devoutly as a christian does his. The philosophy -basically self worship- takes on the same dimensions as a religion but if he did actually believe in God, and hellish consequences for his actions, then obviously he certainly wouldn't do it.

So I would argue it is hugely relevant whether a man is atheist or committing his crimes because he believes in something or some greater good, the later I would argue being much more excusable albeit stupid.

I would say again too, that although on the surface countless atrocities have been committed in the name of God, when you really analyze why these atrocities occurred and the people who carried them out, you will probably find that they were actually instigated by total psychopaths with no beliefs in God or religion whatsoever.

After all would a genuinely god fearing individual have another man burned to death? I personally believe only a very sadistic man with no fear whatsoever of God would do that! In short an atheist.


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