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Big Lez
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Take this as you will || contact with entities
#23803279 - 11/05/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi, I'm not here to start a debate. Please read this short piece, think about it for yourself, play devil's advocate so to speak and then take it or leave it.
This isn't about any drugs, but the contacting of entities via meditation, astral projecting or tripping on a high dose of psychedelics. Like I said, take it or leave it, to each his own.
For quite some time I have been fascinated by people telling of how they have met beings or spiritual entities, especially on high doses of psychedelics. This led to my research and delving deeper into understanding what was really happening here. Some people believe that contacting entities during an intense trip is purely a hallucination. The majority of those who have in fact made contact, wether intentionally or unintentionally know otherwise.
Reading countless trip reports and researching my own beliefs eventually led me to the truth. Do I believe that contacting spiritual entities is possible? As a believer in God and saved Christian my answer is, Absolutely. It took me a while however to realize who or what these entities actually are.
This is a point where I will most probably lose a bunch of those reading but please read it anyway and take it or leave it as I said, do ask yourself "but what if this is what is really going on?". These spiritual beings are in fact demonic entities aka demons aka fallen angels. They may take on many forms seeming equally beautiful or downright evil. The devil (aka God's most beautiful created angel who was cast out of heaven for rebelling against God) or his servants do not come as they are but to deceive people . They may appear as a friendly, helping spirit or the like but the fact of the matter is that is not their true form. Their goal is to breach into your life and once they have that foothold things can get quite ugly as many recovered drug addicts have warned.
So yeah there it is. I just want to warn those who have had these experiences and have questions, feel uneasy in their spirit and troubled by it. The devil comes to turn people away from finding the one and only true God and will use any deceiving means to do so.
-------------------- "Blue Meanies mate. What do they do to ya?" "Take you on a spiritual journey of self discovery this and that." "Either that or, you trip the fuck out for five or six hours." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Everything posted here by me is made up and any photos posted were taken by the sasquatches and photoshopped.
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Big Lez]
#23803289 - 11/05/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Christians are always like, "I get to say whatever I believe and you don't get to argue with me. Just go and think about what I say because that's more important than what you think."
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: healing]
#23803375 - 11/05/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah what healing said.....
you don't know some secret universal truth sorry, but you do have your own right to believe your own opinion , but most certainly no one really knows if god is even real cant be proven or disproven
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Big Lez] 1
#23803446 - 11/05/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Big Lez said: .....These spiritual beings are in fact demonic entities aka demons aka fallen angels. They may take on many forms seeming equally beautiful or downright evil. The devil (aka God's most beautiful created angel who was cast out of heaven for rebelling against God) or his servants do not come as they are but to deceive people . They may appear as a friendly, helping spirit or the like but the fact of the matter is that is not their true form. Their goal is to breach into your life and once they have that foothold things can get quite ugly as many recovered drug addicts have warned.....
How do you know this? What did your research consist of? Can you site some sources ?
How can one tell the difference between a malevolent and benevolent "entity"? You're making it sound as if all these entities people have encounters with are evil and malevolent, regardless of how they appear or come across to the person. If there are evil/malevolent entities, then there surely are benevolent and caring/friendly ones, so how does one know?
How many experiences do you have personally with encountering "entities" with psychedelics, meditation, etc?....
I've had a handful of encounters with entities over the years, mostly from smoked DMT, quite a variety of different entities....One "entity" that I had an encounter with from smoked DMT was the epitome of a loving motherly presence, she had the most loving tender touch, I felt like a baby being held in her arms...feelings of being loved, safe, content, nurtured, warm, at peace...I could literally feel her swimming through out my body and caressing every fiber of my being, radiating nothing but love through out me....
So can you elaborate on how this entity is actually, according to you, a demon/ or purely evil?....and how is this entity going to breach into my life? and once it does what is it going to do?
-OM
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: openmind] 2
#23803589 - 11/05/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Big Lez]
#23804225 - 11/05/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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do ask yourself "but what if this is what is really going on?".
Fear not! If your psychedelic escapades result in an ongoing psychosis featuring complex paranoid delusions built around a religious theme of being persecuted by demons, just go to your local church and you'll fit right in.........they're as mad as you are, and they didn't even have to take any drugs!!!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11606181#11606181
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I found a church while wearing only my pajama pants, no socks, no shoes, no shirt. I confessed to him an incoherent tale of my godlike empowerment, evil energy, demons, and everything. He actually believed me and told me that the Bible teaches that Satan is the king of this world and has been deceiving people for thousands of years. I was on depression and anxiety medication before this, on top of my self medicating marijuana. He told me that Satan was playing with me, and I only grasped half the truth about the world, and half of my experience was a clever trick of Satan. He said that "special powers" come from occult activity and satanic influence, and that God forbids participation in such. I was frightened about death and anxious because God's conviction and condemnation was apon me my whole life. He told me about Christ, how he conquered sin, satan, and death. I believed in this, it resonated with my soul. My mind returned to me after that, and I could handle everything I experienced and still live in the world and not be a nervous and crazy wreck. God contained it all for me. I started reading the Bible and saw that everything I experienced was more or less written in there, and how the world came to ben in its current state.
My experience is classified as a phychotic episode. I know this 100%. But I believe in what I experienced, and still do. I believe that the psychiatric explanation is a Satanic tool to convince people that demons, sin, and hell isn't real. I haven't had to take any meds at all since I trusted Jesus. I have not taken any drugs, no psychedelics. After several years of Bible study, I have learned many things. I also learned that drugs is classified in the Bible as sorcery. Alongside that is divination, spiritism, astrology, and every other occult activity that originates in Satan.

Of course, only the real psychonauts know the ultimate truth - these entities are in fact our reptilian overlords, masquerading as demons who are masquerading as angels just to fuck with our puny minds...
-------------------- I wrote that, but I meant something else
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Aldebaran]
#23805362 - 11/06/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I bought a book on demonology (never finished it as it was too christian for my liking) as demons are something I am very interested in since using DMT (etc) and encountering them for myself. Pennywise who as you can see I associate metaphorically with the DMT experience is itself a rainbow colored, shape shifting, supernatural entity or demon who takes on either enticing or terrifying forms in order to better manipulate and control his prey!
Whether they are 'real' or not I really dont know though. Sober I am willing to entertain the possibility but unlike yourself OP I cant go all out either way and say for definite.
I would agree that the clownish DMT entities are essentially demonic and parasitic and many will try their very best to manipulate and provoke negative emotions -especially fear- in the user in an attempt to control him and his journey.
But you are suggesting this could be true even when the experience is over? I too would like clarification as to what you mean by this? How exactly can they get to you when you're no longer under the influence of something like DMT?
I think Strassman mentioned something about this too at the end of the spirit molecule if I recall people who were using too much complaining about something similar.
Of course the response is always 'you were tripping you nutcase' but once you see IT all again, in ways you'll never have the ability to explain you just know that it is indeed real- its all just too immense!
-------------------- "I'm every nightmare you ever had. I am your worst dreams come true. I am everything you ever were afraid of." Pennywise the dancing clown
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Big Lez]
#23805455 - 11/06/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If there are evil/malevolent entities, then there surely are benevolent and caring/friendly ones, so how does one know?
-openmind
This.
Satan and 1/3rd of the angels were cast out with him - demons.
That leaves 2/3rds as positive - angels.
Then you have some spirits of man who are stuck in between... this, a mixed bag like on Earth.
You shall know them by their fruit.
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world.
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ having come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is already in the world at this time." John 4:1-3
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Big Lez]
#23805638 - 11/06/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Big Lez said: Hi, I'm not here to start a debate. Please read this short piece, think about it for yourself, play devil's advocate so to speak and then take it or leave it.
This isn't about any drugs, but the contacting of entities via meditation, astral projecting or tripping on a high dose of psychedelics. Like I said, take it or leave it, to each his own.
For quite some time I have been fascinated by people telling of how they have met beings or spiritual entities, especially on high doses of psychedelics. This led to my research and delving deeper into understanding what was really happening here. Some people believe that contacting entities during an intense trip is purely a hallucination. The majority of those who have in fact made contact, wether intentionally or unintentionally know otherwise.
Reading countless trip reports and researching my own beliefs eventually led me to the truth. Do I believe that contacting spiritual entities is possible? As a believer in God and saved Christian my answer is, Absolutely. It took me a while however to realize who or what these entities actually are.
This is a point where I will most probably lose a bunch of those reading but please read it anyway and take it or leave it as I said, do ask yourself "but what if this is what is really going on?". These spiritual beings are in fact demonic entities aka demons aka fallen angels. They may take on many forms seeming equally beautiful or downright evil. The devil (aka God's most beautiful created angel who was cast out of heaven for rebelling against God) or his servants do not come as they are but to deceive people . They may appear as a friendly, helping spirit or the like but the fact of the matter is that is not their true form. Their goal is to breach into your life and once they have that foothold things can get quite ugly as many recovered drug addicts have warned.
So yeah there it is. I just want to warn those who have had these experiences and have questions, feel uneasy in their spirit and troubled by it. The devil comes to turn people away from finding the one and only true God and will use any deceiving means to do so.
The entities are not "demonic" and you really had me going up until you said that. i actually thought you were smart...silly me...never believe the christains when it comes to something so real like beings in the spirit realm
my point is...these being/entities ARE WHAT THEY ARE. Just because your limited perception views them as evil, then they will appear that way to you.
and just to prove you wrong..when i smoked salvia and was greeted by hopping bouncy ball entities...3 minutes later i was greeted by the spirit of my dead uncle who was a christian PASTOR so why would my dead uncle use the entity experience as a platform to reveal himself if these beings are so "evil?"
but im glad you already have it figured out and wont let anyone perhaps change your minuscule viewpoint
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: flickedbic]
#23805645 - 11/06/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you're telling me the only entities or beings in the universe are demons?
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Btw i used to be a christian until i went to church and figured out no one there has a real concept of god. I find it sad they think giving people money will make god give it to them in return.
-------------------- MDMA is over rated
Edited by Dmt_psilocybin (11/06/16 08:28 AM)
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23805675 - 11/06/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dmt_psilocybin said: So your telling me the only entities or beings in the universe are demons?
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Btw i used to be a christian until i went to church and figured out no one there has a real concept of god. I find it sad they think giving people money will make god give it to them in return.
Too bad you didnt figure out while you were at church the difference between "youre" and "your"
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23805695 - 11/06/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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Dmt_psilocybin said: So your telling me the only entities or beings in the universe are demons?
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Btw i used to be a christian until i went to church and figured out no one there has a real concept of god. I find it sad they think giving people money will make god give it to them in return.
Too bad you didnt figure out while you were at church the difference between "youre" and "your"
Its actually you're and your. Are you happy now i changed it?
-------------------- MDMA is over rated
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Dmt_psilocybin] 1
#23805710 - 11/06/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Religious people have a certitude of belief that rankles people I understand that. But theres no need for such a hateful Dawkins pile on upon an easy isolated (religious) target. His OP was polite and friendly so even if you don't agree with him you don't have to ridicule him...
Demonology is an interesting subject especially in relation to DMT and yes in my own voyages I have encountered what I would describe as demons or emotionally parasitic entities that feast on weakness and insecurites in order to bolster and embolden themselves. There are folks in this very thread attempting the same thing!
-------------------- "I'm every nightmare you ever had. I am your worst dreams come true. I am everything you ever were afraid of." Pennywise the dancing clown
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: wolf8312]
#23805726 - 11/06/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: Religious people have a certitude of belief that rankles people I understand that. But theres no need for such a hateful Dawkins pile on upon an easy isolated (religious) target. His OP was polite and friendly so even if you don't agree with him you don't have to ridicule him...
Demonology is an interesting subject especially in relation to DMT and yes in my own voyages I have encountered what I would describe as demons or emotionally parasitic entities that feast on weakness and insecurites in order to bolster and embolden themselves. There are folks in this very thread attempting the same thing!
I wasn't ridiculing him i guess it's "tough love" or some bullshit like that. Anyways it pains me to see people like OP wasting his life away at some book that was written by random dudes That tells you what to do and what you can't do, and to christians (i went to a christian pre school to 9th grade and was very involved in church) they think if you don't fully believe and take upon every single word in the bible your not a christian. I have also encountered demonic entities but not every entity you stumble across no matter how you did it, they all are not demonic.
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23806282 - 11/06/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You've encountered demons, but the Bible is full of BS?
I think there is some value in the OP. Even if it isn't demons masquerading as angels of light, but your own mental formulations, we can become carried away by them if we assign them all value.
OTOH, even if they are your own mental formulations, they can still have value. And still, if they are entities, I don't believe all entities are demonic. In the Bible there are many accounts of men having positive entity contact.
http://www.letgodbetrue.com/pdf/angels-of-god.pdf
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Big Lez]
#23806311 - 11/06/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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as soon as you mentioned Christianity I stopped reading I can't help it it just triggers my gag reflex every time
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musiclover420
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: Ezuma]
#23806359 - 11/06/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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One important factor to consider is the psychedelic experience occurs within ones mind. So any "evil demons" are likely to just be projections of your subconscious. That is a seriously ignorant to assume something is evil simply because it is unknown to you...
"I don't understand it so it must be evil"
-Christians
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
Edited by musiclover420 (11/06/16 12:20 PM)
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
#23806383 - 11/06/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Really? The demon story is very old already. Come up with a new thing people!
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The 87 gram MushZilla BEAST
And it just obliterated the uttermost crap out from me. Love, Bliss, Laughter and Enlightenment!
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: AkashicExplorer]
#23806402 - 11/06/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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AkashicExplorer said: Really? The demon story is very old already. Come up with a new thing people!
Seriously, look at what the Spanish did to the Aztecs... They assumed they were using psychedelics to channel demons and other witchcraft and as a result nearly snuffed out beautiful ancient traditions...
When in reality aya is a very sacred natural thing that helps people get in tune with the universe. If it wasn't for their current religious misleading we might exist in a much healthier and enlglightened society.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Take this as you will || contact with entities [Re: musiclover420]
#23806428 - 11/06/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly.
Religion feeds fear, giving you a narrow reality you must obey, removing your freedom. Psychedelics are born from the Earth and they make you question your reality, giving you freedom.
Enough said :P
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The 87 gram MushZilla BEAST
And it just obliterated the uttermost crap out from me. Love, Bliss, Laughter and Enlightenment!
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