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Monotub help - I've researched all I can!
#23803019 - 11/05/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look guys I've been doing monotubs for 6 months now and have failed in every way possible.
I have however gotten down getting 16 jars of WBS fully colonized with no problem, and I even wait a week to 10 days after that to make sure everything in there is fully colonized, but when I go to fruit my substrate I always get infection. Here is my procedure, please tell me what I'm doing wrong:
I take a bucket and throw in a brick of coir and 2 quarts of vermiculite. Then I boil the hell out of 4.5 to 5 quarts of water and dump it in the bucket, put the lid on and wait 3 hours. Then I throw in a handful of gypsum and mix everything up. Then I put the lid on again and wait 12 hours for it to cool.
Later I smack my fully-colonized WBS jars against a tire to break everything up, open them to smell that they do in fact just smell like mushrooms and nothing else, then I dump them into a large crockpot of cool water for 15 minutes to rehydrate the grains. Then I pour a good amount of the substrate I made in the bucket into the monotub (the monotub has taped-up holes in it to the specified locations that many guides suggest) at about a ratio of 2 : 1 substrate to spawn (maybe even more like 1.5 : 1, honestly my monotubs colonize really fast because I use a good amount of spawn).
Within a few days (not even a week) the top of the substrate is totally white. Another week to ten days and it is probably totally colonized throughout and is fine to be put into fruiting conditions. I remove the tape from the holes, put in the polyfil to the specifications listed in many guides (tight in the bottom holes, loose in the top ones), and in about 4-7 days green infection comes...
WTF
These jars are as white and fluffy as I've ever seen in any picture online. Then I wait a week to 10 days beyond that. I doubt it's the spawn, and I'm following the guide for making the substrate to the T. What is happening here?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803023 - 11/05/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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what is your grain prep/inoculation procedure. you left out the most important parts.
if your answer is something like... i knocked up grains with a spore syringe then you have your answer.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803029 - 11/05/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This has happened with both syringe innoculations AND GTG transfer.
I've never heard that the method of getting the grains colonized was going to screw you in the long run, only that you have to make sure that your grains are in fact 100% colonized.
Regardless, it happens with GTG transfer created jars as well.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803036 - 11/05/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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because your syringe is dirty?
how do you knock up the jars?
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I take a bucket and throw in a brick of coir and 2 quarts of vermiculite. Then I boil the hell out of 4.5 to 5 quarts of water and dump it in the bucket, put the lid on and wait 3 hours. Then I throw in a handful of gypsum and mix everything up. Then I put the lid on again and wait 12 hours for it to cool
mix the gypsum up with the verm/coco/water. your adding something not exposed to the heat of the bucket. and i use the bulk coco after 5hours in the bucket.
do you have any pics???
Edited by mushboy (11/05/16 11:16 AM)
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803052 - 11/05/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Later I smack my fully-colonized WBS jars against a tire to break everything up, open them to smell that they do in fact just smell like mushrooms and nothing else, then I dump them into a large crockpot of cool water for 15 minutes to rehydrate the grains.
Are you saying you dump colonized spawn in water to rehydrate and then add to the sub? If so...that's crazy.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23803059 - 11/05/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: Fill the stockpot with cold tap water and let it soak for 10-15 minutes. This will rehydrate the grains and decrease colonization times. Drain it carefully, I like to use window screen attached to the pot with a rubber band to drain mine.
from one of Franks teks. dunking grains for about 15minutes is common.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803066 - 11/05/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok that's a good idea I will definitely do that.
Do you think that pouring 4.5 - 5 quarts of boiling water into that much mass is getting everything properly pasteurized? I just feel somehow that if I am in fact using 100% colonized grains that the problem must lie in how I'm making my substrate, although your gypsum suggestion may fix that.
One thing I HAVE noticed that is somewhat troubling to me is that after I check the bucket several hours after dumping in the boiling water, the coco coir brick is still somewhat held together in the center. I tried breaking one up one time but it was too strong. I was thinking one thing that might help is if I take a hammer and break the coco coir up before throwing it into the b
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803075 - 11/05/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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dunking spawn is perfectly fine, but your problem is dirty spawn. use less spore solution in each grain jar or even better start using agar to clean up a culture before putting it to grains.
post pics of grain spawn before use, just because its white doesnt mean its the mycelium you want.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803078 - 11/05/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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it is best to break it up. also if you follow this tek you shoulld open the bucket after 45ish minutes and mix it up real good and recover it.
however... you havent addressed the inoculation issue.
if you knock up a MS grain jar with a spore syringe you have like 90% chance of it being bacterial. so if you g2g a dirty jar.. you get lots of dirty jars. or 1 dirty jar mixed with 4 clean ones in a tub will give you a dirty tub.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23803081 - 11/05/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes from Frank's tek - what he said.
Again, I don't really seem to get infection until I fruit the monotub. The monotub seems to colonize fine, and fully colonized WBS should be pretty resistant to infection. This is why I think my problem must lie in how I make my substrate - his suggestion about putting the gypsum in first may be enough to fix this.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803083 - 11/05/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you soak your spawn? Seems like a great way to add contams...In my mind, the risk outweighs the benefit. Also, why would you dunk a sub before you spawn? It should already be at field capacity. Am I missing something?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23803084 - 11/05/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It happens when I do GTG transfer as well though...
I'm all open to ideas please don't think I'm not, it just seems to happen regardless.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803086 - 11/05/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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its your spawn. why wont you answer the question about how you inoculate?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803089 - 11/05/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If your master is dirty then so will your receiving jars.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23803093 - 11/05/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I DO soak my fully colonized WBS for 15 minutes as per Frank's tek before mixing it with spawn.
I do NOT dunk the substrate before mixing it with spawn and never said I did. That makes no sense.
People seem to have pretty positive things to say about rehydrating spawn, but I'm definitely willing to try NOT dunking it to see if it helps.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803095 - 11/05/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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omg. dunking and your prep sounds fine dude. fucked up jars wont get to 100%(most of the time) so jar prep sounds ok!!
its the fucking spawn because the inoculate is DIRTY
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803099 - 11/05/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Again, this happens with spawn I've made from syringe and also spawn I've made from GTG transfer. In both cases I get infection when I put my FULLY COLONIZED (or at least seemingly so) monotub into fruiting conditions (i.e. remove the tape and put in polyfil).
The whole thing looks white and amazing, and then I wait 7-10 days, then I put fruiting conditions, then infection appears in about 4-7 days.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803103 - 11/05/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was asking in general as it seems like a silly practice if the idea is just to decrease run time...
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803105 - 11/05/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you are describing how trich grows.
this happens from jars inoculated(injected) with dirty spores.
this is how you SOLVE your problem.
germinate your spores on agar first.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803106 - 11/05/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Green mold is white before blowing spores and turning green. The mold is coming from your inoculation source and hiding within the cube myc. Many times mold won't show it's green head until spawned
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803116 - 11/05/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Fucked up jars wont get to 100%(most of the time) so jar prep sounds ok!!"
"its the fucking spawn because the inoculate is DIRTY"
But my jars ARE getting to 100%...I mean I even shake them at 100% sometimes and they fully recover. They smell great with no discoloration. I wait days AFTER they look fully white all over to make sure they're fully colonized on the inside.
I'm not trying to argue I just feel like your two statements above are contrasting.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#23803122 - 11/05/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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fucked up as in moisture content/exploded grains/stalled growth from bad prep. your spores are dirty. everything else after that is irrelevant.
spawn denial strong in this one it is.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803125 - 11/05/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The force is strong with this one...
Fkn beat me to it mush lol
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#23803134 - 11/05/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I follow the cleanest inoculation procedure I can find: I use a glovebox with tons of alcohol / aerosol sprayed EVERYWHERE, using only sterile equipment, rubber gloves ect.
People do do this right? All these guides exist for a reason right? I just don't see what I'm doing differently...I follow these procedures to the T being extremely sanitary just as other people do. I wind up with tons of completely white spawn. Someone suggested using agar, and I'm sure that is great, but plenty of guides exist without using agar right? Are you guys saying that all these guides are lying as are the people who use them?
This is just the first time I've ever heard that fully white colonized WBS jars are actually secretly contaminated...why does the GTG transfer even exist then?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803136 - 11/05/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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example!!!
 jar is 100% looks fine right? it smelled all shroomy and broke up nice.. recovered after a shake in 36hrs. good to go!!!
at day 9 of fruiting it got a nice green spot. it also happened to be from a syringe knocked into 7quarts of wbs. in 7 shoe boxes. 6 went green.
i havent even thought about green in awhile because i was cleaning up my spores on agar plates while that freak show grow was happening.
ALSO considering the title of the thread 'ive researched all i can' and no one has taken a giant shit in here is truly shocking.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803140 - 11/05/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm fine with admitting that my spawn may be contaminated in some way. I guess my question is why do these guides exist telling you to do it this way then? You guys act like I'm making shit up here, and not following it from some of the most popular and widely used guides there are out there.
I don't get it and I'm not trying to be a dick I'm trying to understand.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803151 - 11/05/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If your shooting spores from a syringe into grain jars, and a tek showed you to this then the person that made that tek is not worth listening to.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#23803154 - 11/05/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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NightPuma1 said: Someone suggested using agar, and I'm sure that is great, but plenty of guides exist without using agar right? Are you guys saying that all these guides are lying as are the people who use them?
the biggest thing to consider is clean spawn. everything after that is up to chance(as in contams either bacterial or more insidious) so you limit the chances. agar lets you grow out the culture to guarantee it is CLEAN as possible.
people assume the jars are clean because they grew. i get you. i was in the dark until i learned what bacterial jars were all about. it also explained my HIGH failure rate.
you CAN do MS grows to grains.(use th search feature and search ms grains)
you CAN also have sex with a dirty crackwhore and maybe still be clean.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: PinPornProducer]
#23803156 - 11/05/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My problem occurs when I do GTG transfers as well.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803158 - 11/05/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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because the first jar(master jar) is dirty dude!
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803159 - 11/05/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you're saying trash these 20 jars I've made from GTG transfer that all look really good and get into doing agar?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803164 - 11/05/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803168 - 11/05/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You could transfer a seed to agar and clean it up and then go back to grain.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803169 - 11/05/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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OR while you fuck around with the potentially dirty jars...
also do agar work. its really really easy once you get things going. it just requires patients and lots more reading.
something a lot of people dont seem to want to do. hence hesitation around agar.
also IF I WERE YOU and i wanted to fruit the 20 jars, id do each one in small trays in a sgfc or something.. if you cant get 1/20 ms jars to fruit then you are fucked.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23803190 - 11/05/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: You could transfer a seed to agar and clean it up and then go back to grain.
that too
oops on the double post.
also @mycolorado try it out!
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803212 - 11/05/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will do!
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803222 - 11/05/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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NightPuma1 said: My problem occurs when I do GTG transfers as well.
no, your problem is you're dealing with microbes so small you cant see it with the naked eye. you THINK your spawn is clean, because its all white, but most myc is white, even mold. so nasty stuff colonizes your grains, then your tubs, and once you fruit your tubs you also fruit your contams making them sporulate and thats when you first notice something's wrong, even tho soemthing has been wrong the entire time.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23803248 - 11/05/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: and once you fruit your tubs you also fruit your contams.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803261 - 11/05/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So basically what I'm hearing is fuck all these guides all these huge names swear by (RR, Frank ect.) and agar is the only chance I have for doing a monotub with any reasonable percentage of chance of it working. I mean if that's what you're saying I guess I have no choice - seems fucking odd to me this isn't talked about a WHOLE LOT more.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23803280 - 11/05/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is talked about all the fucking time.
and even in franks tek you follow it says...
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A properly pasteurized substrate and clean grain spawn are as contam resistant as it gets, so this dunk can be done with minimal precautions- as long as your grains are fully colonized and substrate properly pasteurized.
clean grain spawn means your inoculate(either agar or LI/LC is clean)
on a side note.. my first grows were in a BRAND NEW house. like custom build brand fucking new paint still wet when moved in new. i barely had contams and was doing spores to brf and to grains. few issues. fast foward 10 years and where i live now is a rowhouse built in the 30s. 90% failure until i started cleaning up my spores on agar first. i havent had anything in months except mushrooms. go figure.
read franks ENTIRE posts.. like the whole fucking thread all 30+ pages of each one. as with most...not all, but most teks, the poster will update and often times contradict there own teks.
some admin/mega poster has a great line.
'forget what you know, all that matters is clean spawn' ....or something.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803314 - 11/05/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I live in a high-plains desert and contams are minimal. If I were growing in Florida, I might have more issues and may need to adjust my procedure accordingly in order to grow contam free. All situations are unique and the environment can play a big role when it comes to contams. Something to consider...
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23803320 - 11/05/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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NightPuma1 said: agar is the only chance I have for doing a monotub with any reasonable percentage of chance of it working.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23803436 - 11/05/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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mushboy said: some admin/mega poster has a great line.
'forget what you know, all that matters is clean spawn' ....or something.
... You can't just go putting words in people's mouths bro. That's cron's sig, and it says "It doesn't matter what I think of you. All that matters is clean spawn"
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
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mushboy said: some admin/mega poster has a great line.
'forget what you know, all that matters is clean spawn' ....or something.
... You can't just go putting words in people's mouths bro. That's cron's sig, and it says "It doesn't matter what I think of you. All that matters is clean spawn"
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23804617 - 11/05/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22721954/vc/1#22721954
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23662427
It you're using spores to grain you shouldn't be doing g2g with those jars ideally. Spawn jars inoculated with agar are going to be your best bet for G2G jars.
Your problems started well before the substrate
Also you shouldn't be using tons of alcohol and lysol etc.. that just shows lack of understanding sterile technique. Sanitizers wont save you from yourself
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23804774 - 11/05/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem is, that you didn't realize that Grain 2 Grain is not a tek with a guarantee of getting clean spawn. G2G is a tek which needs clean spawn.
The only way to get a clean spawn master is agar. All the well known G2G Teks described here (Spitball Jedi's for example) base on a agar inoculation of the master jar (or at least clean LC/LI).
In most G2G Teks the way how they got their Master isn't decribed, therefore you have the impression that the master could have been made with spore syringes.
But if you search for other teks these guys wrote, you will recognize, that most of them work with agar. So you can be sure, their master jar was made with agar wedges.
Especially your reference to RR. I actually haven't seen or read RR saying that his teks base on spore syringes. The only time he uses a spore syringe in his videos is the one about PF Tek.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23804889 - 11/05/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Learn agar.
Also, what are your grain jar lids like? Something that's easy to overlook, but can seriously fuck a grow up. I'm surprised nobody asked already..
And learn agar.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: AlCapone2k]
#23804936 - 11/05/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you read Frank's Tek closely, he states that dunking your grains is only a good idea if your spawn is CLEAN. It is clear that yours is not, sorry man. A grain jar can fully colonize and then be used to spawn bulk substrate and fully colonize that, and still be contaminated with bacteria. Bacteria usually leads to mold, typically the green variety. The mold usually shows up anytime between near colonization and pre first flush.
Mushboy is right, we need to know your method of inoculation. Syringes are usually contaminated. A dirty MS syringe and or improperly prepared grain can lead to a failure, almost every time.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: WeavieWonder]
#23805159 - 11/05/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is directly from syringe...
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23805182 - 11/06/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mucho bacterio. Might be able to get a clean sample with a couple of transfers.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: WeavieWonder]
#23805238 - 11/06/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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NightPuma1 said: Later I smack my fully-colonized WBS jars against a tire to break everything up
These jars are as white and fluffy as I've ever seen in any picture online.
Say no more
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23805354 - 11/06/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: This is directly from syringe...

Transfer from 11 o clock and 7 o clock. You can clean that up easy.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23805629 - 11/06/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: This is directly from syringe...

Transfer from 11 o clock and 7 o clock. You can clean that up easy.
Yeah, I posted the pic as an example for the op. I've been cleaning cultures since the 90s.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23805746 - 11/06/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you should transfer way sooner,before so much nasty stuff gets a chance to grow. streaking the spores on the plate is a good way of stretching them out so its even easier to see where its pure cube (or your species) myc and where the nasty stuff grows.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23805760 - 11/06/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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These were streaked. I transferred several days ago. I posted this as an example for the op to illustrate the point that syringes can have bacteria in them. I feel like I'm repeating myself.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23805770 - 11/06/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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he was just pointing something out for someone who maybe didnt know streaking. its a forum ya kno.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23805773 - 11/06/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: This is directly from syringe...

They mean streaked like this

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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23805786 - 11/06/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, I know.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
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Mycolorado said: This is directly from syringe...

Good work...................... Kinding, I know.
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Alright what have you consumed recently sir?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23805812 - 11/06/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me? Sunday lunch, glass of red wine and some tramadol to take the edge off the crack last night.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Edmunter]
#23805813 - 11/06/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Me? Sunday lunch, glass of red wine and some tramadol to take the edge off the crack last night.

hey!! tramadol can give you seizures in high doeses.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23805827 - 11/06/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey!! tramadol can give you seizures in high doeses.
What do you call high doses
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23805861 - 11/06/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23805983 - 11/06/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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a lot. like 20 pills a day a lot. withdrawal can do it too. i dont like tramadol. gives me the 'i have to remember to breathe' thing.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23806083 - 11/06/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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NightPuma1 said: agar is the only chance I have for doing a monotub with any reasonable percentage of chance of it working.
spoken like a pro
False. I've done plenty of tubs using MS to rye, and MS g2g with success, and even if the jars are less than 100% clean you should be able to get a flush or two if all the substrate in the tub becomes fully colonized.
I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek. Or seeing whether the colonized substrate has proper moisture for fruiting (using the tiny beads on the surface as an indicator), and subsequently making adjustments to the polyfill.
Although the OP's spawn might not be the cleanest, if the jars are fully colonized and pass the smell test they should be able to produce shrooms if mixed with properly prepared substrate. Another suggestion would be to go with a 1:2 or even 1:1 ratio.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806098 - 11/06/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806126 - 11/06/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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might not be the cleanest??
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Look guys I've been doing monotubs for 6 months now and have failed in every way possible.
why talk about his cvg or polyfil when its the spawn thats dirty. lolz fix the problem at the source.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806153 - 11/06/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
because the bucket tek can be very unreliable if you're a beginner and don't mix everything in the bucket properly, as is evident in the initial post. I had a similar problem with the bucket tek due to uneven mixing (don't get me wrong, i think the BT works great if everything is done correctly and the substrate gets cooked evenly). Pasteurizing or sterilizing the CVG, along with going with a good beginner spawn ratio, can help ensure that some success can be had, rather than necessarily having to learn agar
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806158 - 11/06/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Say wuh?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806190 - 11/06/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
because the bucket tek can be very unreliable if you're a beginner and don't mix everything in the bucket properly, as is evident in the initial post. I had a similar problem with the bucket tek due to uneven mixing (don't get me wrong, i think the BT works great if everything is done correctly and the substrate gets cooked evenly). Pasteurizing or sterilizing the CVG, along with going with a good beginner spawn ratio, can help ensure that some success can be had, rather than necessarily having to learn agar
That was a trick question. You failed. Sorry.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806211 - 11/06/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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so the consensus here is that learning agar is the only solution to solving the OP's problem, rather than ordering some new syringes and adjusting some of the spawning methods?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806219 - 11/06/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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why waste the time and money on something that already failed? if OP hadnt failed for 6months straight it would be different.
or do agar and be 99% sure.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806246 - 11/06/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's with the aversion to agar? It's super simple and cheap, especially if you're already working with grains.
You could go buy 30 dollars of additional syringe(s) and roll the contam dice again, sure. Or you could buy 30 dollars of agar supplies and know for a fact your culture is clean.
Regardless of if it's possible to go MS - > grain and achieve success some of the time, why would you when there is a much better way? Especially after failing so hard with green mold and bad spawn.
Please stop misinforming the OP.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23806256 - 11/06/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's simply nothing that could be inside the coir that pasteurization or sterilization would benefit over the bucket tek, unless of course, unpasteurized manure, with the microbes still living in it, despite the coir compression process, happened to be in there. Then you would definitely want to spend time pasteurizing your manure-contaminated coir.
I tend to advocate for sterilizing the coir, but it's pretty well agreed upon that you can get good results with coir prepared pretty much any possible way, so long as the spawn is clean.
Which brings us back to agar..
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806270 - 11/06/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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how come he?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806302 - 11/06/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm not saying that the problem could be from contams within the coir. What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting. And pasteurizing or sterilizing allows the beginner to mix the CVG thoroughly, check for the right field capacity, then load up quart jars cook everything evenly. I got nuthin against agar, but it seems to me a little strange that everyone is insisting that he must switch to that method (there was even a post earlier in this thread that denounced using a spore syringe to knock up rye jars--which has always worked for me)
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806468 - 11/06/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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that's a newbs excuse for failure. coir doesnt give a fuck. stop misinforming someone who's already struggling. its the spawn, 100%.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23806498 - 11/06/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weather your cvg is mixed thoroughly or not is not the issue. You could use straight coir as sub and it would colonize just fine Weather your coir is pasturized or sterilized it wouldn't matter either. As long as your grain is fully colonized with clean myc your tub will be contam resistant because cvg doesnt have nutes...
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806513 - 11/06/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just adore the way we treat noobs with misconceptions on here. Keep saying "do agar" like a broken record when he clearly doesn't understand the reasoning, bound to help.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23806527 - 11/06/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hell, even people who do understand what cleaning up a culture on agar mean seems to think its a "magic ingredient" that increases potency in your grows. not much you can do but push them towards clean spawn
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23806535 - 11/06/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh but it hurts.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23806643 - 11/06/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just adore the way we treat noobs with misconceptions on here. Keep saying "do agar" like a broken record when he clearly doesn't understand the reasoning, bound to help.
Maybe he understands, just hasn't excepted the fact that he doesn't have things figured out like he thought he did. Failure can be a good teacher as long as you are willing to learn from it and your skull isn't too thick.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: WeavieWonder]
#23806776 - 11/06/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get clean syringes ....post pics along the way and learn how to spot contams.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
#23806793 - 11/06/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I jinxed myself yesterday by saying how you do it. I have a feeling that will be whiter when I wake in the morning.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Edmunter]
#23806962 - 11/06/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, agar is gonna be your step to separating mold spores from cubensis spores. There are times when you -can- do spores directly to grain as a multispore injection, but when you do so, you need to have collected your spores/prepared your syringe correctly so that it is never exposed to any type of mold. That being said, there are a couple methods you could try to do a multispore culture.
Do all work in a SAB with gloved hands. Fill a sterile syringe with sterilized water. (You can easily do this with a half pint jar and a self healing injection port. PC your containers, syringe parts if necessary, use a sterile luer-lock). Using flamed tools each time, carefully cut the veil. Squirt water directly from the syringe into the cap and rinse the inside of the cap into a sterile empty shotglass below. Draw up the water again now in the shotglass and now you have a pretty darn sterile, homemade MS syringe, use to start at least 1 or 2 MS grows, and from those grows, get some nice clones that you can clone in agar. At some point, agar is going to be something you want to go to, and it could be before or after you grow a tub or two and get experience. Dipping into it earlier will be beneficial, but you can learn a lot from MS grows and cloning. You can even do some sterile MS swabs, and put to agar at your leisure by simply dragging it across a sterile plate and letting it go. See what happens.
Otherwise, you need to be putting to agar first, transferring your good culture away from contaminants, and using that to start a culture free of any contams. Any contaminant then on will usually already be in your spawn, so make sure you use clean spawn after that.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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crackbaby said: i'm not saying that the problem could be from contams within the coir. What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting. And pasteurizing or sterilizing allows the beginner to mix the CVG thoroughly, check for the right field capacity, then load up quart jars cook everything evenly. I got nuthin against agar, but it seems to me a little strange that everyone is insisting that he must switch to that method (there was even a post earlier in this thread that denounced using a spore syringe to knock up rye jars--which has always worked for me)
"What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting."
The key to successful colonization is clean spawn. Your advice is misleading.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23807698 - 11/06/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: i'm not saying that the problem could be from contams within the coir. What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting. And pasteurizing or sterilizing allows the beginner to mix the CVG thoroughly, check for the right field capacity, then load up quart jars cook everything evenly. I got nuthin against agar, but it seems to me a little strange that everyone is insisting that he must switch to that method (there was even a post earlier in this thread that denounced using a spore syringe to knock up rye jars--which has always worked for me)
"What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting."
The key to successful colonization is clean spawn. Your advice is misleading.
I made that statement implying that it's being done with relatively clean spawn, and in response to this statement--Quote:
Inocuole said: There's simply nothing that could be inside the coir that pasteurization or sterilization would benefit over the bucket tek, unless of course, unpasteurized manure, with the microbes still living in it, despite the coir compression process, happened to be in there. Then you would definitely want to spend time pasteurizing your manure-contaminated coir.
The OP said that his spawn jars were fully colonized, pure white, and passed the smell test (of course this is no guarantee, but the odds are in his favor at this point). Also, he later indicated-- 'One thing I HAVE noticed that is somewhat troubling to me is that after I check the bucket several hours after dumping in the boiling water, the coco coir brick is still somewhat held together in the center. I tried breaking one up one time but it was too strong'.
So what i'm saying is, given the apparent conditions of his spawn, if it were mixed in a more forgiving ratio (1-1 or 1-2), with a properly mixed and heated substrate (coir that has been heated the right way is much easier for the mycellium to colonize), he could at least get some yield for his efforts. Of course, down the road he might want to move towards agar, but i don't see why everyone seems so repelled by the idea of using MS to grain or going g2g with MS jars. That is, unless i was hallucinating the whole time i was getting multiple monster flushes with the tubs i did using that method for spawn
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
#23807927 - 11/06/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i too have also had successful tub flushes from MS grain. its not impossible. the OPs grain is contaminated obviously, so he needs to learn agar or get new syringes. i'd do some cakes or a casing tek while i learn agar if i was OP. i wouldn't try another tub unless it was from a clean, agared the fuck up culture.
Edit: but yes, the rampant know it all, you're a n00b so you must learn and I'm gona be the one to tell you all about it whether you like it or not attitude on this thread is disheartening, to say the least. what's happening is this guy thought what he was doing was how it was supposed to be done, and yall are telling him to do something he has never heard of, so of course he's going to be apprehensive. you guys should just try to be nicer to each other, we're all here to help each other. but whatever.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: brickwallnomad]
#23808270 - 11/06/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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brickwallnomad said: i too have also had successful tub flushes from MS grain. its not impossible. the OPs grain is contaminated obviously, so he needs to learn agar or get new syringes. i'd do some cakes or a casing tek while i learn agar if i was OP. i wouldn't try another tub unless it was from a clean, agared the fuck up culture.
Edit: but yes, the rampant know it all, you're a n00b so you must learn and I'm gona be the one to tell you all about it whether you like it or not attitude on this thread is disheartening, to say the least. what's happening is this guy thought what he was doing was how it was supposed to be done, and yall are telling him to do something he has never heard of, so of course he's going to be apprehensive. you guys should just try to be nicer to each other, we're all here to help each other. but whatever.
it actually is pretty disheartening, the way a sort of mob mentality seems to be pervasive here...i've been noticing this in this forum a lot--a very rigid, arrogant, and short-fused approach toward noobs. And very quick to go to the .
Here's some more utter blasphemy for y'all--P2G (pf jar to grain transfer) by one member i am grateful towards, 'Eatualive'. Imagine that...using a multispore pf jar to g2g grain jars. And it works like a charm in my experience...sorry
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808288 - 11/06/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't put this anymore clear than I'm about to. OPs tubs are all going green. They're not all going green because of unheated coir, that's not how coir works. Period. What else are we left with then? The spawn. So, the spawn is almost certainly the vector. Hence, everyone says to get into agar so as to avoid playing contamination roulette with spore syringes.
I used to get great success with syringe to grain, until I didn't anymore. I got into agar cause I was sick of bacteria kicking my ass. I got a batch of syringes from a good source and every single one was dirty. I was in OPs position at one point and tried to do everything I could to avoid contamination without accepting that agar was the logical route. Agar seemed intimidating but I was just being a baby about it. Eventually the answer to my problems was agar. I wish someone like me had told me that, but I was too proud to post about my problems I was having.
Agar isn't hard to use or expensive. What the hell are we even arguing about exactly? So far you suggest that MS>grain is not the issue but unheated/unevenly heated coir is? You suggest he gambles instead of learn a technique which will improve his success? WHY would you suggest that?
OP, what is your lid setup like?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
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Here's some more utter blasphemy for y'all--P2G (pf jar to grain transfer) by one member i am grateful towards, 'Eatualive'. Imagine that...using a multispore pf jar to g2g grain jars. And it works like a charm in my experience...sorry
This is something that EAT said on the first page of that tek thread:
"its not really a benefit. just something to start with if you only do or have pf jars. ive had issues over the years inoculating grain with syringes. sometimes if i inject too much ill get wetspot bacteria. my contam rate is actually higher using spore syringes directly into quart grain jars. pf jars are just about 100% contam free and super easy to make. its extremely fail safe. for me personally, i store the pf jars in a small fridge for masters opposed to storing the large quart jars. so really for me the benefit is space. i can fit maybe 4 total quart jars in that fridge compared to fitting 24 different pf jars. so i can run lets say i do 1 strain per 4 jars. thats 6 strains at once. each pf jar can turn into 100 quarts. the jars will usually last a year at minimum with an ok transfer. ive had one strain(Tasmanian) last two years in the fridge on a pf cake with a successful transfer. but grain lasts much longer in the fridge for sure.
also, with age, time isn't plentiful, life gets in the way, its a way of managing your crop and postponing it to fit your schedule."
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23808305 - 11/06/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can just throw spawn in the fridge for later? Got some king oyster grains I don't know what to do with atm.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23808365 - 11/07/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's kinda cute, the way you keep editing out little sections...
this is the full quote from a post on that 1st page-
Quote: mushpunx said: Cool tek
What is the benifit to this over just MS inoculation of the grain jars?
its not really a benefit. just something to start with if you only do or have pf jars. ive had issues over the years inoculating grain with syringes. sometimes if i inject too much ill get wetspot bacteria. my contam rate is actually higher using spore syringes directly into quart grain jars. pf jars are just about 100% contam free and super easy to make. its extremely fail safe. for me personally, i store the pf jars in a small fridge for masters opposed to storing the large quart jars. so really for me the benefit is space. i can fit maybe 4 total quart jars in that fridge compared to fitting 24 different pf jars. so i can run lets say i do 1 strain per 4 jars. thats 6 strains at once. each pf jar can turn into 100 quarts. the jars will usually last a year at minimum with an ok transfer. ive had one strain(Tasmanian) last two years in the fridge on a pf cake with a successful transfer. but grain lasts much longer in the fridge for sure. {/quote}
same thing was done here --
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crackbaby said: i'm not saying that the problem could be from contams within the coir. What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting. And pasteurizing or sterilizing allows the beginner to mix the CVG thoroughly, check for the right field capacity, then load up quart jars cook everything evenly. I got nuthin against agar, but it seems to me a little strange that everyone is insisting that he must switch to that method (there was even a post earlier in this thread that denounced using a spore syringe to knock up rye jars--which has always worked for me)
"What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting."
The key to successful colonization is clean spawn. Your advice is misleading.
I made that statement implying that it's being done with relatively clean spawn, and in response to this statement--Quote:
Inocuole said: There's simply nothing that could be inside the coir that pasteurization or sterilization would benefit over the bucket tek, unless of course, unpasteurized manure, with the microbes still living in it, despite the coir compression process, happened to be in there. Then you would definitely want to spend time pasteurizing your manure-contaminated coir.
The OP said that his spawn jars were fully colonized, pure white, and passed the smell test (of course this is no guarantee, but the odds are in his favor at this point). Also, he later indicated-- 'One thing I HAVE noticed that is somewhat troubling to me is that after I check the bucket several hours after dumping in the boiling water, the coco coir brick is still somewhat held together in the center. I tried breaking one up one time but it was too strong'.
So what i'm saying is, given the apparent conditions of his spawn, if it were mixed in a more forgiving ratio (1-1 or 1-2), with a properly mixed and heated substrate (coir that has been heated the right way is much easier for the mycellium to colonize), he could at least get some yield for his efforts. Of course, down the road he might want to move towards agar, but i don't see why everyone seems so repelled by the idea of using MS to grain or going g2g with MS jars. That is, unless i was hallucinating the whole time i was getting multiple monster flushes with the tubs i did using that method for spawn 
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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Editing out little sections? I believe the term you're looking for is called quoting.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23808402 - 11/07/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya i meant you seem to be editing out certain parts of the original posts being quoted, so as to support your argument
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808408 - 11/07/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, that's exactly what I was doing. Nothing I quoted was taken out of context.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808415 - 11/07/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya ok...im about to go to bed now...i'll leave this quote from page 3 of EAT's thread, which i think contains the point i've essentially been trying to make-- Quote: Pastywhyte said: Excuse me if I'm missing something painfully obvious but, I think SBJ and space were thinking the same thing I am. If you do this with verm barrier and pf style lids is there not a chance that contams trapped in the dry verm layer could end up in the mix? They would not be a concern if fruiting or spawning but to inoculate grain spawn is a different beast.
I know a lot of the old School think us noobs are too paranoid about contams and that things like open air LC inoculations are an acceptable and measured risk or taking prints on the counter and making syringes with them is fine but, IME if I get even a little careless with my sterile tek or try to cut a corner it always seems to bite me in the ass. Hence why I would be hesitant to try something like this and even more reluctant to recommend it. Thoughts?
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if you want to get technical there is always a chance. and there is always a chance anything can contam. even with a flowhood. thats like saying you want to quit cultivation because you have contamination when that is part of the hobby. hell, a very long time ago i had like 10 batches in a row contaminate of grain jars due to some crappy ass grain. it took me a few 20lb bags of grain to figure it out. but i still kept at it. ive also tossed 30 sterilite tubs to contams when i was doing mass bulk using straw in the past. did that deter me? hell no. did i want that to happen again? hell no, but did i say im never doing straw again? hell no.
its a chance im willing to take. the contams are very minimal using this method. you can always try it out on the small scale and when you get your technique down a little better, move on to more jars. what i do is keep a huge stock of regular material brewing. and then i keep about 20% for experiments. always have backup so that in case contams do happen, you have another route to take. right now ive got about 40 jars all done using this method incubating now. if you never experiment you never learn. if you think im being sloppy with my clean work. im not im very anally clean and quick with my clean work. but, i just don't operate on the norms is all. most of methods i use i developed out of experiments with other methods. i just kinda merge them all together to make things easier for myself and spreading the knowledge.
i have not had one contam using a shmuvbox with this method since i fired the pressure cooker back up the last couple years. ive done 4 batches of jars recently with no contams. a few months ago i did 40 ape jars with no issues. soon, i will continue to post every single batch i do in order to show everyone that this works. im not hiding anything that you don't see. im posting it every single time i look at it with no gaps. additionally, ive done this method with clone material that i have stored in the fridge for over 5 years. ive even used pf jars that are 1 year old to do this method with success. when my pf jars colonize, i put them directly in my fridge with the foil lid over the holes. when its time to p2g, i pull out a pf jar from the fridge and do the above method. i don't have any issues with contams anymore than a normal cultivator. id say in all of my years i actually get less contams using this method than other methods. its no better or worse, its just easy.
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Quote: agar work is harder than this. this is simple. thats the point. the dry vermiculite barrier is irrelevant. if you have a colonized pf cake then you can use this method. it makes no difference what lid your using. This is more "noob friendly" than agar work.
 It's the perfect next step for a beginner. I remember one particular thread doc t criticizes me for suggesting it. It's certainly nothing new, and I can name a few other posters here who have been doing P2G for years as well.
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your right this isn't new, i just posted it because i didn't really see any good illustrations using it. hell its my preferred method now. i try to simplify everything. if it works and its easier with the same success, ill take the quicker route. im reading all this stuff and there are so many extra steps added. ill just skip all those extra steps and get the same results. if people want to try it and it makes it easier for them, thats awesome im glad i can help. if they don't want to try it, and want to keep debating things instead of trying things, it makes no difference to me. ill just keep on trucking either way. because i got plenty of shroom meat to eat.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808638 - 11/07/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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pasteurizing coir instead of bucket tek'ing/sterilizing has nothing to do with failed grows. its the spawn. pasteurizing coir wont help if your spawn isnt clean. IDK why this is so hard to comprehend.
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its not a mob mentality, its a bunch of people knowing how stuff works, and a few (or in this case, only you) that doesnt. stop whining, start learning crackbaby.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
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All I can say is it's a good thing you're a fuckin opt out with that attitude.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23808825 - 11/07/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really wish they took eats tag when they took Vs He deserved to be stripped first.
There's an abundance of people I would say are far more helpful and likely to give good advice that helps people actually grow more for their effort. like inoc and space.
Pf2G is stupid, unfortunately it's a noob magnet because eat has a tag. His methods are so hit or miss I almost consider him trolling as baseline behavior
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808844 - 11/07/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to derail the dirty spawn train but correct me if I'm wrong, a contributing factor could be the coir if he's using the gardening variety as opposed lizard bedding? I don't think it was mentioned.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23808848 - 11/07/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn't matter. A lot of people prefer the garden coir because it has no pieces of plastic, metal, grains, children's fingers, etc..
You can simply hydrate coir and use it. It just works a lot better if you cook it til it darkens
There's a metric dickload or trich spores all over the air already anyways
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23808854 - 11/07/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bucket tek should kill any molds.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
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There's a metric dickload or trich spores all over the air already anyways
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808876 - 11/07/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No matter your argument on this matter, learning agar is going to make you a better mycologist no matter which way you cut it.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808877 - 11/07/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: brickwallnomad]
#23808879 - 11/07/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Op actually sent me a PM asking me to post here about how wrong everyone was to be recommend agar.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808890 - 11/07/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

So why don't you go do some PF to grain. What the hell does that have to do with this thread other than trying to be a level 10 autist devils advocate?
If you haven't noticed in light of advancement in this hobby half of those old TCs methods are basically fucking garbage.
Show me the last time someone did an ohm monotub
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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crackbaby said: i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

When people say stuff like that I know not to take any grow advice from them.
It is getting seriously stupid in here. All kinds of shit CAN work, but how much of it is worth discussing in the context of finding success?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808903 - 11/07/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can simply hydrate coir and use it. It just works a lot better if you cook it til it darkens
this has been my point all along-- properly cooked coir is easier for the mycellium to work with and get a foothold, EVEN IF THE JARS ARE BACTERIAL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. This way, the spawn (again, which the OP says was given both a favorable visual and smell inspection) has a better chance of getting a jump on any contams, and producing at least a flush or two before the green sets in. Again, i agree that he is better off in the future learning agar, but for the time being he's got 16 fully colonized grain jars (i think). Actually, cased trays would probably be the best way to go with the remaining jars at this point
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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You can simply hydrate coir and use it. It just works a lot better if you cook it til it darkens
this has been my point all along-- properly cooked coir is easier for the mycellium to work with and get a foothold, EVEN IF THE JARS ARE BACTERIAL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. This way, the spawn (again, which the OP says was given both a favorable visual and smell inspection) has a better chance of getting a jump on any contams, and producing at least a flush or two before the green sets in. Again, i agree that he is better off in the future learning agar, but for the time being he's got 16 fully colonized grain jars (i think). Actually, cased trays would probably be the best way to go with the remaining jars at this point
How you cook your coir matters 0 if your spawn is dirty. Cooling it helps the contamination too. Uncooked coir goes in reptile terrariums and never molds or rots
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crackbaby said: i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

When people say stuff like that I know not to take any grow advice from them.
It is getting seriously stupid in here. All kinds of shit CAN work, but how much of it is worth discussing in the context of finding success?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
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from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

So why don't you go do some PF to grain. What the hell does that have to do with this thread other than trying to be a level 10 autist devils advocate?
If you haven't noticed in light of advancement in this hobby half of those old TCs methods are basically fucking garbage.
Show me the last time someone did an ohm monotub
I have done plenty of PF to grain projects which worked wonderfully, thankyouverymuch. I posted that section since it serves to illustrate the hard-headed, dogmatic parroting (you MUST do agar! there's simply no other way!!!) which still resonates nowadays
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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For very high success rates there is no other option other than agar. Of course you can noc up 100 quart grain jars with a syringe and have 30 40 or so go bad. Or you can clean the spores up on agar, wedge some masters and g2g those 100 jars with zero bad.
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bodhisatta said: I really wish they took eats tag when they took Vs He deserved to be stripped first.
There's an abundance of people I would say are far more helpful and likely to give good advice that helps people actually grow more for their effort. like inoc and space.
Pf2G is stupid, unfortunately it's a noob magnet because eat has a tag. His methods are so hit or miss I almost consider him trolling as baseline behavior
Really?! Have you even bothered to read through the thread? You'll see that both Pastywhite and Spitballjedi are in favor of the technique
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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So  Do I look like pastywhyte or sbj?
It's also been two fucking years. Im sure they've evolved their opinions since
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: So  Do I look like pastywhyte or sbj?
It's also been two fucking years. Im sure they've evolved their opinions since
no, you look like you should be eating higher dosages of what you grow, so as to loose the inflated ego
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Being right and knowing you're right can look pretty egotistical from another perspective, I'm sure.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby] 2
#23808969 - 11/07/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ate lots and the shrooms told me to shut down idiots and stop the dissemination of shitty info. Because helping people make more shrooms for their efforts is a shroomy thing to do.
But hey I'm not the non contributing member here. Who hasn't wrote a bunch of guides to help people do better
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
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It's also been two fucking years. Im sure they've evolved their opinions since
from about a year ago (i know, pretty ancient for y'all hipsters)--
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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It's also been two fucking years. Im sure they've evolved their opinions since
from about a year ago (i know, pretty ancient for y'all hipsters)--

Where's the opinion of pasty or space there?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: PinPornProducer]
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how is this shit still going on??
read and pay attention to the first few post. i recommended cleaning his spawn first with agar because doing MS to grain FAILED FOR 6 MONTHS. based off his grammar and descriptions it seemed that he was intelligent and i figured his prep was good, so agar was given as a tool to break the cycle of failure ..among the many other benefits to learning agar.
then people started side tracking, including OP, because instead of fixing a problem right at a source they would rather waste time speculating about bulk prep.
then i miss quoted cron's sig and shit really went south.
some of you people sound like seniors being told to use smartphones. the phone would solve sooo many problems(txting grand kids, email, facetime with kids..whatever) but they would rather bitch that no one writes them anymore)
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
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btw, the only reason i initially decided to chime in on this thread, was because everybody was insisting that going with agar was the only possible solution to his problems
i've had subpar rye jars that i recently went ahead with for the fuck of it, throwing em into 3 tubs prepped with unevenly mixed bucket CVG, and 3 tubs prepped with pasteurized CVG that was mixed thoroughly and tested for field capacity. The bt tubs pretty much failed right away, while the tubs with the properly cooked coir got multiple flushes before succumbing to trich
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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Sounds like facts based on one correlation. And. Correlation is not causation. So that's 100% irrelevant.
Anyone worth their salt would agree agar is the easiest, cheapest, fastest. And best way to get nearly 100% successful
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
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Not to mention, fun.
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crackbaby said: i've had subpar rye jars that i recently went ahead with for the fuck of it, throwing em into 3 tubs prepped with unevenly mixed bucket CVG, and 3 tubs prepped with pasteurized CVG that was mixed thoroughly and tested for field capacity. The bt tubs pretty much failed right away, while the tubs with the properly cooked coir got multiple flushes before succumbing to trich
you also said this:
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crackbaby said: this has cleared things up for me as well (also re-read through Spitball's 'Bucket Tek vs proper pasteurization thread--especially the last couple pages)...sorry about my earlier post with regard to the confidence i had in my 'experiment'. Most likely the higher success rate of the pasteurized tubs vs those done with the bucket tek was due to the coir getting more evenly and thoroughly cooked in the jars (seemed like it was always hard to keep the scalding hot CVG in the bucket from being uneven and lumpy with the long mixing spoon i was using)
like last week. ..in response to bod's exact response here.
the troll is strong in you.
you also got into a pissing contest about drying and potency. go back to the pub and wonder why dentist dont have spit trays for your drool.
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I'm starting to think dude is in fact a crack baby
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PinPornProducer said: I'm starting to think dude is in fact a crack baby
baby farms
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
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crackbaby said: i've had subpar rye jars that i recently went ahead with for the fuck of it, throwing em into 3 tubs prepped with unevenly mixed bucket CVG, and 3 tubs prepped with pasteurized CVG that was mixed thoroughly and tested for field capacity. The bt tubs pretty much failed right away, while the tubs with the properly cooked coir got multiple flushes before succumbing to trich
you also said this:
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crackbaby said: this has cleared things up for me as well (also re-read through Spitball's 'Bucket Tek vs proper pasteurization thread--especially the last couple pages)...sorry about my earlier post with regard to the confidence i had in my 'experiment'. Most likely the higher success rate of the pasteurized tubs vs those done with the bucket tek was due to the coir getting more evenly and thoroughly cooked in the jars (seemed like it was always hard to keep the scalding hot CVG in the bucket from being uneven and lumpy with the long mixing spoon i was using)
did you actually read this part? --' Most likely the higher success rate of the pasteurized tubs vs those done with the bucket tek was due to the coir getting more evenly and thoroughly cooked in the jars'
that is the criteria from which i've been trying to make my point
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PinPornProducer said: I'm starting to think dude is in fact a crack baby
baby farms
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c'mon now, son...you know that's good stuff
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23809300 - 11/07/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rbalzer said:
I just adore the way we treat noobs with misconceptions on here. Keep saying "do agar" like a broken record when he clearly doesn't understand the reasoning, bound to help.
Starting to think this may be an easier method to get the info across to a noob rather than making them decipher 7 pages of circle jerk posts with bad advice and shoddy teks spewed all over the place.
At least "do agar" squashes the thread like a bug and OP can do some research about agar instead of reading a P2G tek.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: ComebackKid]
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I will always encourage the use of agar but simply don't expect every new poster to want to stick the hobby out n learn...some really do just want a few mushrooms so I'm at a point where I'll answer questions directly and just let them learn on there own...sometimes it's just the easiest way lol.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr] 1
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if someone fails every tub for 6 months, dont tell them to do their coir differently. since coir doesnt give a fuck how its treated, heat it and it wont grow mold. horti coir and reptile coir is still just coir.
no one has said you will fail 100% of the times without agar, thats a straw man argument crackbaby's making.
now OP here HAS failed 100% without agar. that's real bad luck, and should push him to do agar, or simply fall back to pf-tek.
I think its a dick move by crackbaby to confuse OP and use his thread to start shit. lets help OP grow mushies instead! crackbaby could even learn a thing or 2 along the way.. if he'd just stfu and start instead of
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said: if someone fails every tub for 6 months, dont tell them to do their coir differently. since coir doesnt give a fuck how its treated, heat it and it wont grow mold. horti coir and reptile coir is still just coir.
no one has said you will fail 100% of the times without agar, thats a straw man argument crackbaby's making.
now OP here HAS failed 100% without agar. that's real bad luck, and should push him to do agar, or simply fall back to pf-tek.
I think its a dick move by crackbaby to confuse OP and use his thread to start shit. lets help OP grow mushies instead! crackbaby could even learn a thing or 2 along the way.. if he'd just stfu and start instead of 
really bro? you think it's a dick move, eh? I was pretty much done with this thread (which is chock full of the same old tired arguements which have been covered in plenty of past threads, ad nauseum) until i noticed (in the last post) the other thing besides the agar issue which drew me to this thread...the tendency for some of the regulars in this forum to quickly resort to offensive language and personal attacks...Like i seriously intended to 'confuse the OP and use his thread to start shit' by suggesting that agar isn't necessarily the only way to go. Ok boss, i'll 'shut the fuck up and start taking notes', since obviously you're above trusted cultivators such as Eatualive, who seemed to school you in his P2G thread .
When i first stumbled upon this thread, it was alarming how quick the OP became approached in such a non-shroomy manner--arrogant, pompous, and smug are some of the adjectives that come off the top of my head.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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Try reading my post again, you're shooting down arguments I never made. see "straw man arguments" in my prev post.
You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
I still have no idea why you keep talking about p2g I'm pointing out your confusement over coir prep being a problem.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810242 - 11/07/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nobody said agar is the only way, we just said it's the best way to ensure success.
I truly wish this place was so pro-agar when I first started, I would've saved myself a lot of head aches. Took me way too long to figure out agar was what I needed.
crackbaby, you keep bringing up the fact that the OPs spawn has passed a visual and scent test which means nothing considering the guy has been a trich farmer for 6 months. For all we know this dude thinks the scent of trich is "shroomy". I love how OP is gone as well.
And all yall who are crying about the attitude here, man the fuck up. Do you need your hand held? Did you need a nice tit in your mouth with the advice as well? Grow some thicker skin and grow boomers. If you can't handle inoc and bodhi without melting down you really might not be able to handle a shroom trip, cause guess what, they're not all that nice either sometimes.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
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ya ok...i just re-read your post, and it's just as hostile and offensive as it was when i first read it . Oh yeah, you mentioned 'straw man argument' once in that post, which i've never heard of before (sorry).
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You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
That's obvious, and i never made that argument (i'm really wondering if you actually read much in this whole thread). To re-re-re-re-iterate, my argument with regard to coir, is that if its not properly hydrated and heated (it even says on the plastic wrapper that it's packaged in on some of the brands, to soak in hot water in order for it to be effective), it's more difficult for the spawn to colonize quickly, which is what needs to happen if the spawn is in fact less than %100 clean
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810251 - 11/07/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: ya ok...i just re-read your post, and it's just as hostile and offensive as it was when i first read it . Oh yeah, you mentioned 'straw man argument' once in that post, which i've never heard of before (sorry).
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You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
That's obvious, and i never made that argument (i'm really wondering if you actually read much in this whole thread). To re-re-re-re-iterate, my argument with regard to coir, is that if its not properly hydrated and heated, it's more difficult for the spawn to colonize quickly, which is what needs to happen if the spawn is in fact less than %100 clean
I'd rather get the OPs spawn clean than focus on how to get shitty spawn to colonize fast enough before the trich sets in. And for the record, I don't agree that shitty spawn colonizes cooked coir faster than uncooked coir, I have no clue about that and it's not something worth spending much thought on.
If uncooked coir is fucking your grows, you have a problem to address
Also, cron brought up the fact that OP may just want a few doses. If that's the case, he needs to go back to PF tek which is very noob friendly. If the dude does in fact want to grow larger amounts, he is going to need to change some things.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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No matter how you cook the coir it doesn't change the fact that the spawn is dirty. "Properly" cooked coir doesn't cure infected spawn. As soon as you spawn dirt grains, the contaminates don't say hey, I'll just hang out in this one spot until the healthy mycelium takes everything over
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
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sorry--for the record, i was in the middle of editing my last post to include the 'wrapper instructions' part before Eagle made his post quoting the unedited version (no fault on his part)
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
That's obvious, and i never made that argument (i'm really wondering if you actually read much in this whole thread).
so what was this shit all about? your first post in this thread:
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23806083#23806083
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
because the bucket tek can be very unreliable if you're a beginner and don't mix everything in the bucket properly, as is evident in the initial post. I had a similar problem with the bucket tek due to uneven mixing
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crackbaby said: so the consensus here is that learning agar is the only solution to solving the OP's problem, rather than ordering some new syringes and adjusting some of the spawning methods?
etc etc etc.... this is the BS I'm responding to.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
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And for the record, I don't agree that shitty spawn colonizes cooked coir faster than uncooked coir, I have no clue about that and it's not something worth spending much thought on.
It's been my experience that it makes a drastic difference
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TheEaglesGift said: Also, cron brought up the fact that OP may just want a few doses. If that's the case, he needs to go back to PF tek which is very noob friendly. If the dude does in fact want to grow larger amounts, he is going to need to change some things.
very good point eagle! OP d me and seemed like he really didn't wanna do the whole agar thing, pf-tek is the best answer then IMO!
I'm really starting to see why crackbaby had to opt out...
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
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so what was this shit all about? your first post in this thread:
Quote: crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
To re-re-re-re-re-re-reiterate, bucket tek (especially for beginners) often results in lots of lumpy, unevenly heated, unevenly hydrated coir...as opposed to using the pasteurizing or sterilizing method, which involves thoroughly mixing the CVG, testing for proper field capacity, and cooking everything evenly which allows for the mycellium to colonize rapidly and start flushing before any contams get a chance to flourish, which can be the difference between a beginner experiencing (relative) success and happiness, vs. failure, frustration, and misery.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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crackbaby said: bucket tek (especially for beginners) often results in lots of lumpy, unevenly heated, unevenly hydrated coir...
if you dont follow the tek/updated info during the course of the threads history.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
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so what was this shit all about? your first post in this thread:
Quote: crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
To re-re-re-re-re-re-reiterate, bucket tek (especially for beginners) often results in lots of lumpy, unevenly heated, unevenly hydrated coir...as opposed to using the pasteurizing or sterilizing method, which involves thoroughly mixing the CVG, testing for proper field capacity, and cooking everything evenly which allows for the mycellium to colonize rapidly and start flushing before any contams get a chance to flourish, which can be the difference between a beginner experiencing (relative) success and happiness, vs. failure, frustration, and misery.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Greg]
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Greg said: I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
of course not, because you mix your grains with your coir when you spawn and then you cannot avoid breaking up whatever small lumps of coir that has stuck together.
crackbaby is simply grasping at straws here, seems to me he's never gone through the process himself but is simply spewing out what he thinks can or might happen.
you dont grind your fruits and berries before making a smoothie do you? the blender does the job on its own.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23810449 - 11/07/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm really starting to see why crackbaby had to opt out...
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Inocuole said: All I can say is it's a good thing you're a fuckin opt out with that attitude.
This is the reason i opted out ⬆ i didn't have to, i chose to...it's too bad you and inocuole aren't able to get any juvenile sense of satisfaction by inflicting your petty $.02 on my precious ratings
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810462 - 11/07/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You dont need a rating with such poor advice, you see how great we are at shooting down bad advice here!
Start reading some TEK compilations by frank, spitball, TL etc. and do some culting, that's where most learning comes from!
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
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Greg said: I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
of course not, because you mix your grains with your coir when you spawn and then you cannot avoid breaking up whatever small lumps of coir that has stuck together.
crackbaby is simply grasping at straws here, seems to me he's never gone through the process himself but is simply spewing out what he thinks can or might happen.
you dont grind your fruits and berries before making a smoothie do you? the blender does the job on its own.
Well, the OP stated he had a big ol' lump of coir in the center of da bucket, and i've had plenty of buckets result in unheated dry lumps of coir. And when you break everything up while spawning, you're still dealing with coir that hasn't been properly hydrated and heated (which is important in order for it to be effective, as it says on the plastic wrapper the bricks often come in...didn't i mention this earlier?)
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810485 - 11/07/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: You dont need a rating with such poor advice, you see how great we are at shooting down bad advice here!
Start reading some TEK compilations by frank, spitball, TL etc. and do some culting, that's where most learning comes from! 
Ya i've read all those...including the one by Eatualive which you were a part of, along with spitball
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810502 - 11/07/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's too bad some of you guys lack any sense of humility, so as to concede any sort of wrong-headed approach on your part...and thats what sucks for many of the noobs entering this forum
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810503 - 11/07/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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And god said, "let there be triple posts." What a fucking mess this thread is.
Crackbaby, at some point you need to stop digging yourself a deeper hole.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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Greg said: I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
of course not, because you mix your grains with your coir when you spawn and then you cannot avoid breaking up whatever small lumps of coir that has stuck together.
crackbaby is simply grasping at straws here, seems to me he's never gone through the process himself but is simply spewing out what he thinks can or might happen.
you dont grind your fruits and berries before making a smoothie do you? the blender does the job on its own.
Well, the OP stated he had a big ol' lump of coir in the center of da bucket, and i've had plenty of buckets result in unheated dry lumps of coir. And when you break everything up while spawning, you're still dealing with coir that hasn't been properly hydrated and heated (which is important in order for it to be effective, as it says on the plastic wrapper the bricks often come in...didn't i mention this earlier?)
and what did you just learn from this thread? it doesnt matter how you treat your coir! so "unheated dry lumps" wont cause any harm. I dont care what your label says, listen to all the experienced folks here telling you what's up. we know how to grow mushrooms. your coir pack label doesnt.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Greg]
#23810554 - 11/07/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Greg said: And god said, "let there be triple posts." What a fucking mess this thread is.
Crackbaby, at some point you need to stop digging yourself a deeper hole.
welp, if i sees any punks here putting words in my mouth, misrepresenting my intentions with out-of-context quotes, or accusing me of giving bad advice, ima respond accordingly. Sorry i got a pair of balls, son
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810612 - 11/07/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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and what did you just learn from this thread? it doesnt matter how you treat your coir! so "unheated dry lumps" wont cause any harm. I dont care what your label says, listen to all the experienced folks here telling you what's up. we know how to grow mushrooms. your coir pack label doesnt.
That's bullshit. From my own experience it's really simple: the properly cooked/hydrated coir produces where the misprepared coir fails. And this is significant when it comes to beginners who typically work with MS syringes rather than agar. And as i and many other members of this forum can attest, MS inoculation into grain jars can be done easily and successfully, as well as g2g and p2g transfers from jars colonized by MS syringes.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810626 - 11/07/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a bunch of fucking crap...they make coir door mats that take a fucking beating....reptile bedding which instructions are basically the bucket tek in four sentences. ..you are reaching now and need to stop
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
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If you can inoculate grains with MS you can inoculate agar with spores. And in regard to the P2G, do you honestly believe it would be easier to pop a cake out of a jar and transfer a chunk with sterile technique to a grain jar? A PF jar takes longer to germinate and colonize than a petri dish, requires FAR more materials, and it can and often will have contaminants.
The reason everyone here recommends agar every single time is because it's economical, fast, and ensures clean spawn because the contaminants can't hide on a transparent plane. It's not dogmatic it's just facts, son.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
#23810927 - 11/07/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: That's a bunch of fucking crap...they make coir door mats that take a fucking beating....reptile bedding which instructions are basically the bucket tek in four sentences. ..you are reaching now and need to stop
sorry to keep this thread going as i really intended to leave it after my last post, but i'm really struggling to understand what you're referrring to as being a bunch of crap, what door mats have to do with anything, and how am i 'reaching out'?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23811015 - 11/07/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty much your whole logic on coir dude it's not the issue here no matter how it's prepped.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
#23811210 - 11/07/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Pretty much your whole logic on coir dude it's not the issue here no matter how it's prepped.
Ok mang, first i want to say that i have a lot of respect for you, as your experience and knowledge obviously goes far beyond mine...also i appreciate all the work you do for this site and within this forum. I really hope my intentions here aren't misinterpreted, as i've been trying to contribute as much as i can to this forum with my free time lately, since i owe so much to it and to the site overall. I also hope my advice/reasoning isn't misunderstood. Most of what i was posting is based on my own personal experience along with much of the research i've done on this site.
I just want to clarify a few things, then i'll refrain from making any more bumps to this thread...
- I do realize that clean spawn is ultimately the key to success, and agar is pretty much the best way to arrive at clean spawn
-as far as i know, most noobs order MS syringes, start with PF tek, then move towards cased trays/ monotubs using grains...in my case, i found Eatualive's p2g tek to be a great way to move into bulk grows. After doing lots of WBS and rye jars with p2g, and also many successful grows using grain to grain transfers from p2g quart master jars and MS master jars, i concluded that this is pretty much the easiest, least complicated way for beginners to get into bulk. I could be wrong here tho , since it's subject to so many variables (what works for me might not work for Joe Blow using less quality syringes in a different environment), and not nearly as reliable as agar based methods
-with regard to coir, my reasoning within this thread is based on my own experience with substrate containing cooked vs uncooked coir, along with the concept of having the spawn colonize the substrate and start fruiting as fast as possible. I think this post by Pastywhite towards the end of Spitball's 'bucket tek vs pasteurization' is what i was getting at-- -also wanted to say i'm sorry for playing a part in this thread taking a turn for the ugly
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23811232 - 11/07/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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All good dude...nothing wrong with disagreement n discussion.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
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Can everybody say that all again just for clarity
Extreme trolling, well played.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Edmunter]
#23853306 - 11/21/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crack baby, you are clearly homeless and an even bigger pussy than the OP.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mtez44]
#23853323 - 11/21/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mtez44 said: Crack baby, you are clearly homeless and an even bigger pussy than the OP.
Dude...
 This thread is 12 days old.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23853519 - 11/21/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not anymore
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mtez44]
#23853529 - 11/21/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mtez44 said: Crack baby, you are clearly homeless and an even bigger pussy than the OP.
This is not necessary. Adhominum attacks are weak.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23853547 - 11/21/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Had to look up adhominum Couldn't have been a more appropriate word
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23853638 - 11/21/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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for the record i'm not homeless (not that it should matter in any case) and i had to look up adhominum to make sure i wasn't also being accused of being homosexual ...When I'm in Hawaii i have a car and choose stealth camping over paying extortion prices for rent out there. Btw, it wouldn't be a surprise if mtez44 is a puppet from one of the fine chaps i had been disagreeing with earlier in this thread.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23853649 - 11/21/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah uh... none of us would bump this thread in that way. I'd think that should be pretty clear by now. This does highlight that you're unable to distinguish the obvious distinction in class between the people you've argued with and this guy who just came and called you homeless and a pussy, which is unfortunate, but that's life I guess..
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23853849 - 11/21/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Yeah uh... none of us would bump this thread in that way. I'd think that should be pretty clear by now. This does highlight that you're unable to distinguish the obvious distinction in class between the people you've argued with and this guy who just came and called you homeless and a pussy, which is unfortunate, but that's life I guess..
it's funny you should mention this, since i remember you unnecessarily bumping this thread after it had finally come to rest for 3 hours after turning into a shitshow-- from page 5 of that thread - 
so 'yeah, uh...it's not pretty clear to me by now'
and when you say 'us', i suppose you're referring to the circle jerk crew of smart ass elite hipster 'mycologists' which pervades this forum
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23853872 - 11/21/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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does anybody even like crackbaby? Can we just ban him?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23853886 - 11/21/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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thats not nice. homless are people too.
'you know how i feel about the homless... they are people. and they have no homes'
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23853904 - 11/21/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like crack baby......... Free entertainment
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mtez44]
#23853931 - 11/21/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23854001 - 11/21/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Yeah uh... none of us would bump this thread in that way. I'd think that should be pretty clear by now. This does highlight that you're unable to distinguish the obvious distinction in class between the people you've argued with and this guy who just came and called you homeless and a pussy, which is unfortunate, but that's life I guess..
it's funny you should mention this, since i remember you unnecessarily bumping this thread after it had finally come to rest for 3 hours after turning into a shitshow-- from page 5 of that thread - 
so 'yeah, uh...it's not pretty clear to me by now'
and when you say 'us', i suppose you're referring to the circle jerk crew of smart ass elite hipster 'mycologists' which pervades this forum 
Be careful about insulting those who may be the only ones who can help you later. Also I never see any of the regular posters claim to be mycologists. They know better for the most part. Watch that you don't make any adhominum attacks yourself cause it can be a fine line.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23854005 - 11/21/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: does anybody even like crackbaby? Can we just ban him? 
your mom likes me, and that's all that matters
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23854008 - 11/21/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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its always funny how some people just dont realize they are the ones spewing out bad info and confusing noobs, but rather attack the shroomery as being a circle jerk, or clique or whatever. if everyone tells you you're wrong, look within instead of lashing out.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23854013 - 11/21/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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your mom likes me, and that's all that matters 
That's adhominum. Anyone else?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23854032 - 11/21/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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By definition?
Ad hominem Appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason. Check
Attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument. Check
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. Cheeeeehck
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: NightPuma1]
#23854104 - 11/21/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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