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Greg
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810503 - 11/07/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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And god said, "let there be triple posts." What a fucking mess this thread is.
Crackbaby, at some point you need to stop digging yourself a deeper hole.
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810508 - 11/07/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Greg said: I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
of course not, because you mix your grains with your coir when you spawn and then you cannot avoid breaking up whatever small lumps of coir that has stuck together.
crackbaby is simply grasping at straws here, seems to me he's never gone through the process himself but is simply spewing out what he thinks can or might happen.
you dont grind your fruits and berries before making a smoothie do you? the blender does the job on its own.
Well, the OP stated he had a big ol' lump of coir in the center of da bucket, and i've had plenty of buckets result in unheated dry lumps of coir. And when you break everything up while spawning, you're still dealing with coir that hasn't been properly hydrated and heated (which is important in order for it to be effective, as it says on the plastic wrapper the bricks often come in...didn't i mention this earlier?)
and what did you just learn from this thread? it doesnt matter how you treat your coir! so "unheated dry lumps" wont cause any harm. I dont care what your label says, listen to all the experienced folks here telling you what's up. we know how to grow mushrooms. your coir pack label doesnt.
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Greg]
#23810554 - 11/07/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Greg said: And god said, "let there be triple posts." What a fucking mess this thread is.
Crackbaby, at some point you need to stop digging yourself a deeper hole.
welp, if i sees any punks here putting words in my mouth, misrepresenting my intentions with out-of-context quotes, or accusing me of giving bad advice, ima respond accordingly. Sorry i got a pair of balls, son
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810612 - 11/07/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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and what did you just learn from this thread? it doesnt matter how you treat your coir! so "unheated dry lumps" wont cause any harm. I dont care what your label says, listen to all the experienced folks here telling you what's up. we know how to grow mushrooms. your coir pack label doesnt.
That's bullshit. From my own experience it's really simple: the properly cooked/hydrated coir produces where the misprepared coir fails. And this is significant when it comes to beginners who typically work with MS syringes rather than agar. And as i and many other members of this forum can attest, MS inoculation into grain jars can be done easily and successfully, as well as g2g and p2g transfers from jars colonized by MS syringes.
Peace/out
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810626 - 11/07/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a bunch of fucking crap...they make coir door mats that take a fucking beating....reptile bedding which instructions are basically the bucket tek in four sentences. ..you are reaching now and need to stop
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr] 1
#23810683 - 11/07/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dactylium
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810688 - 11/07/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you can inoculate grains with MS you can inoculate agar with spores. And in regard to the P2G, do you honestly believe it would be easier to pop a cake out of a jar and transfer a chunk with sterile technique to a grain jar? A PF jar takes longer to germinate and colonize than a petri dish, requires FAR more materials, and it can and often will have contaminants.
The reason everyone here recommends agar every single time is because it's economical, fast, and ensures clean spawn because the contaminants can't hide on a transparent plane. It's not dogmatic it's just facts, son.
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
#23810927 - 11/07/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: That's a bunch of fucking crap...they make coir door mats that take a fucking beating....reptile bedding which instructions are basically the bucket tek in four sentences. ..you are reaching now and need to stop
sorry to keep this thread going as i really intended to leave it after my last post, but i'm really struggling to understand what you're referrring to as being a bunch of crap, what door mats have to do with anything, and how am i 'reaching out'?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23811015 - 11/07/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty much your whole logic on coir dude it's not the issue here no matter how it's prepped.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
#23811210 - 11/07/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Pretty much your whole logic on coir dude it's not the issue here no matter how it's prepped.
Ok mang, first i want to say that i have a lot of respect for you, as your experience and knowledge obviously goes far beyond mine...also i appreciate all the work you do for this site and within this forum. I really hope my intentions here aren't misinterpreted, as i've been trying to contribute as much as i can to this forum with my free time lately, since i owe so much to it and to the site overall. I also hope my advice/reasoning isn't misunderstood. Most of what i was posting is based on my own personal experience along with much of the research i've done on this site.
I just want to clarify a few things, then i'll refrain from making any more bumps to this thread...
- I do realize that clean spawn is ultimately the key to success, and agar is pretty much the best way to arrive at clean spawn
-as far as i know, most noobs order MS syringes, start with PF tek, then move towards cased trays/ monotubs using grains...in my case, i found Eatualive's p2g tek to be a great way to move into bulk grows. After doing lots of WBS and rye jars with p2g, and also many successful grows using grain to grain transfers from p2g quart master jars and MS master jars, i concluded that this is pretty much the easiest, least complicated way for beginners to get into bulk. I could be wrong here tho , since it's subject to so many variables (what works for me might not work for Joe Blow using less quality syringes in a different environment), and not nearly as reliable as agar based methods
-with regard to coir, my reasoning within this thread is based on my own experience with substrate containing cooked vs uncooked coir, along with the concept of having the spawn colonize the substrate and start fruiting as fast as possible. I think this post by Pastywhite towards the end of Spitball's 'bucket tek vs pasteurization' is what i was getting at-- -also wanted to say i'm sorry for playing a part in this thread taking a turn for the ugly
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cronicr



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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23811232 - 11/07/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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All good dude...nothing wrong with disagreement n discussion.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: cronicr]
#23812117 - 11/08/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can everybody say that all again just for clarity
Extreme trolling, well played.
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Mtez44
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Edmunter]
#23853306 - 11/21/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crack baby, you are clearly homeless and an even bigger pussy than the OP.
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ComebackKid
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mtez44]
#23853323 - 11/21/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mtez44 said: Crack baby, you are clearly homeless and an even bigger pussy than the OP.
Dude...
 This thread is 12 days old.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23853519 - 11/21/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not anymore
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mtez44]
#23853529 - 11/21/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mtez44 said: Crack baby, you are clearly homeless and an even bigger pussy than the OP.
This is not necessary. Adhominum attacks are weak.
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ComebackKid
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23853547 - 11/21/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Had to look up adhominum Couldn't have been a more appropriate word
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23853638 - 11/21/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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for the record i'm not homeless (not that it should matter in any case) and i had to look up adhominum to make sure i wasn't also being accused of being homosexual ...When I'm in Hawaii i have a car and choose stealth camping over paying extortion prices for rent out there. Btw, it wouldn't be a surprise if mtez44 is a puppet from one of the fine chaps i had been disagreeing with earlier in this thread.
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Inocuole
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23853649 - 11/21/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah uh... none of us would bump this thread in that way. I'd think that should be pretty clear by now. This does highlight that you're unable to distinguish the obvious distinction in class between the people you've argued with and this guy who just came and called you homeless and a pussy, which is unfortunate, but that's life I guess..
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23853849 - 11/21/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Yeah uh... none of us would bump this thread in that way. I'd think that should be pretty clear by now. This does highlight that you're unable to distinguish the obvious distinction in class between the people you've argued with and this guy who just came and called you homeless and a pussy, which is unfortunate, but that's life I guess..
it's funny you should mention this, since i remember you unnecessarily bumping this thread after it had finally come to rest for 3 hours after turning into a shitshow-- from page 5 of that thread - 
so 'yeah, uh...it's not pretty clear to me by now'
and when you say 'us', i suppose you're referring to the circle jerk crew of smart ass elite hipster 'mycologists' which pervades this forum
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