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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810095 - 11/07/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Try reading my post again, you're shooting down arguments I never made. see "straw man arguments" in my prev post.
You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
I still have no idea why you keep talking about p2g I'm pointing out your confusement over coir prep being a problem.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810242 - 11/07/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nobody said agar is the only way, we just said it's the best way to ensure success.
I truly wish this place was so pro-agar when I first started, I would've saved myself a lot of head aches. Took me way too long to figure out agar was what I needed.
crackbaby, you keep bringing up the fact that the OPs spawn has passed a visual and scent test which means nothing considering the guy has been a trich farmer for 6 months. For all we know this dude thinks the scent of trich is "shroomy". I love how OP is gone as well.
And all yall who are crying about the attitude here, man the fuck up. Do you need your hand held? Did you need a nice tit in your mouth with the advice as well? Grow some thicker skin and grow boomers. If you can't handle inoc and bodhi without melting down you really might not be able to handle a shroom trip, cause guess what, they're not all that nice either sometimes.
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810243 - 11/07/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya ok...i just re-read your post, and it's just as hostile and offensive as it was when i first read it . Oh yeah, you mentioned 'straw man argument' once in that post, which i've never heard of before (sorry).
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You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
That's obvious, and i never made that argument (i'm really wondering if you actually read much in this whole thread). To re-re-re-re-iterate, my argument with regard to coir, is that if its not properly hydrated and heated (it even says on the plastic wrapper that it's packaged in on some of the brands, to soak in hot water in order for it to be effective), it's more difficult for the spawn to colonize quickly, which is what needs to happen if the spawn is in fact less than %100 clean
Edited by crackbaby (11/07/16 05:06 PM)
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810251 - 11/07/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: ya ok...i just re-read your post, and it's just as hostile and offensive as it was when i first read it . Oh yeah, you mentioned 'straw man argument' once in that post, which i've never heard of before (sorry).
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You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
That's obvious, and i never made that argument (i'm really wondering if you actually read much in this whole thread). To re-re-re-re-iterate, my argument with regard to coir, is that if its not properly hydrated and heated, it's more difficult for the spawn to colonize quickly, which is what needs to happen if the spawn is in fact less than %100 clean
I'd rather get the OPs spawn clean than focus on how to get shitty spawn to colonize fast enough before the trich sets in. And for the record, I don't agree that shitty spawn colonizes cooked coir faster than uncooked coir, I have no clue about that and it's not something worth spending much thought on.
If uncooked coir is fucking your grows, you have a problem to address
Also, cron brought up the fact that OP may just want a few doses. If that's the case, he needs to go back to PF tek which is very noob friendly. If the dude does in fact want to grow larger amounts, he is going to need to change some things.
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PinPornProducer
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810259 - 11/07/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No matter how you cook the coir it doesn't change the fact that the spawn is dirty. "Properly" cooked coir doesn't cure infected spawn. As soon as you spawn dirt grains, the contaminates don't say hey, I'll just hang out in this one spot until the healthy mycelium takes everything over
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23810288 - 11/07/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry--for the record, i was in the middle of editing my last post to include the 'wrapper instructions' part before Eagle made his post quoting the unedited version (no fault on his part)
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810293 - 11/07/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You wont find any cultivators here worth shit that believes bucket tek'ing/sterilizing coir instead of pasteurizing it causes trouble.
That's obvious, and i never made that argument (i'm really wondering if you actually read much in this whole thread).
so what was this shit all about? your first post in this thread:
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23806083#23806083
then your second post:
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crackbaby said:
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Inocuole said:
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
because the bucket tek can be very unreliable if you're a beginner and don't mix everything in the bucket properly, as is evident in the initial post. I had a similar problem with the bucket tek due to uneven mixing
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crackbaby said: so the consensus here is that learning agar is the only solution to solving the OP's problem, rather than ordering some new syringes and adjusting some of the spawning methods?
etc etc etc.... this is the BS I'm responding to.
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23810300 - 11/07/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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And for the record, I don't agree that shitty spawn colonizes cooked coir faster than uncooked coir, I have no clue about that and it's not something worth spending much thought on.
It's been my experience that it makes a drastic difference
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23810311 - 11/07/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift said: Also, cron brought up the fact that OP may just want a few doses. If that's the case, he needs to go back to PF tek which is very noob friendly. If the dude does in fact want to grow larger amounts, he is going to need to change some things.
very good point eagle! OP d me and seemed like he really didn't wanna do the whole agar thing, pf-tek is the best answer then IMO!
I'm really starting to see why crackbaby had to opt out...
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810342 - 11/07/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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so what was this shit all about? your first post in this thread:
Quote: crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
To re-re-re-re-re-re-reiterate, bucket tek (especially for beginners) often results in lots of lumpy, unevenly heated, unevenly hydrated coir...as opposed to using the pasteurizing or sterilizing method, which involves thoroughly mixing the CVG, testing for proper field capacity, and cooking everything evenly which allows for the mycellium to colonize rapidly and start flushing before any contams get a chance to flourish, which can be the difference between a beginner experiencing (relative) success and happiness, vs. failure, frustration, and misery.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810351 - 11/07/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: bucket tek (especially for beginners) often results in lots of lumpy, unevenly heated, unevenly hydrated coir...
if you dont follow the tek/updated info during the course of the threads history.
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Greg
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810356 - 11/07/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Greg]
#23810388 - 11/07/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810398 - 11/07/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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so what was this shit all about? your first post in this thread:
Quote: crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
To re-re-re-re-re-re-reiterate, bucket tek (especially for beginners) often results in lots of lumpy, unevenly heated, unevenly hydrated coir...as opposed to using the pasteurizing or sterilizing method, which involves thoroughly mixing the CVG, testing for proper field capacity, and cooking everything evenly which allows for the mycellium to colonize rapidly and start flushing before any contams get a chance to flourish, which can be the difference between a beginner experiencing (relative) success and happiness, vs. failure, frustration, and misery.
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Greg]
#23810407 - 11/07/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Greg said: I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
of course not, because you mix your grains with your coir when you spawn and then you cannot avoid breaking up whatever small lumps of coir that has stuck together.
crackbaby is simply grasping at straws here, seems to me he's never gone through the process himself but is simply spewing out what he thinks can or might happen.
you dont grind your fruits and berries before making a smoothie do you? the blender does the job on its own.
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23810449 - 11/07/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:Quote:
I'm really starting to see why crackbaby had to opt out...
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Inocuole said: All I can say is it's a good thing you're a fuckin opt out with that attitude.
This is the reason i opted out ⬆ i didn't have to, i chose to...it's too bad you and inocuole aren't able to get any juvenile sense of satisfaction by inflicting your petty $.02 on my precious ratings
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spacechildo
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810462 - 11/07/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You dont need a rating with such poor advice, you see how great we are at shooting down bad advice here!
Start reading some TEK compilations by frank, spitball, TL etc. and do some culting, that's where most learning comes from!
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810475 - 11/07/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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Greg said: I've never had lumpy coir from bucket teking. Break up the coir well beforehand, mix it a bit after it has cooled.
of course not, because you mix your grains with your coir when you spawn and then you cannot avoid breaking up whatever small lumps of coir that has stuck together.
crackbaby is simply grasping at straws here, seems to me he's never gone through the process himself but is simply spewing out what he thinks can or might happen.
you dont grind your fruits and berries before making a smoothie do you? the blender does the job on its own.
Well, the OP stated he had a big ol' lump of coir in the center of da bucket, and i've had plenty of buckets result in unheated dry lumps of coir. And when you break everything up while spawning, you're still dealing with coir that hasn't been properly hydrated and heated (which is important in order for it to be effective, as it says on the plastic wrapper the bricks often come in...didn't i mention this earlier?)
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23810485 - 11/07/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: You dont need a rating with such poor advice, you see how great we are at shooting down bad advice here!
Start reading some TEK compilations by frank, spitball, TL etc. and do some culting, that's where most learning comes from! 
Ya i've read all those...including the one by Eatualive which you were a part of, along with spitball
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23810502 - 11/07/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's too bad some of you guys lack any sense of humility, so as to concede any sort of wrong-headed approach on your part...and thats what sucks for many of the noobs entering this forum
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