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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#23808402 - 11/07/16 12:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya i meant you seem to be editing out certain parts of the original posts being quoted, so as to support your argument
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808408 - 11/07/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, that's exactly what I was doing. Nothing I quoted was taken out of context.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808415 - 11/07/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya ok...im about to go to bed now...i'll leave this quote from page 3 of EAT's thread, which i think contains the point i've essentially been trying to make-- Quote: Pastywhyte said: Excuse me if I'm missing something painfully obvious but, I think SBJ and space were thinking the same thing I am. If you do this with verm barrier and pf style lids is there not a chance that contams trapped in the dry verm layer could end up in the mix? They would not be a concern if fruiting or spawning but to inoculate grain spawn is a different beast.
I know a lot of the old School think us noobs are too paranoid about contams and that things like open air LC inoculations are an acceptable and measured risk or taking prints on the counter and making syringes with them is fine but, IME if I get even a little careless with my sterile tek or try to cut a corner it always seems to bite me in the ass. Hence why I would be hesitant to try something like this and even more reluctant to recommend it. Thoughts?
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if you want to get technical there is always a chance. and there is always a chance anything can contam. even with a flowhood. thats like saying you want to quit cultivation because you have contamination when that is part of the hobby. hell, a very long time ago i had like 10 batches in a row contaminate of grain jars due to some crappy ass grain. it took me a few 20lb bags of grain to figure it out. but i still kept at it. ive also tossed 30 sterilite tubs to contams when i was doing mass bulk using straw in the past. did that deter me? hell no. did i want that to happen again? hell no, but did i say im never doing straw again? hell no.
its a chance im willing to take. the contams are very minimal using this method. you can always try it out on the small scale and when you get your technique down a little better, move on to more jars. what i do is keep a huge stock of regular material brewing. and then i keep about 20% for experiments. always have backup so that in case contams do happen, you have another route to take. right now ive got about 40 jars all done using this method incubating now. if you never experiment you never learn. if you think im being sloppy with my clean work. im not im very anally clean and quick with my clean work. but, i just don't operate on the norms is all. most of methods i use i developed out of experiments with other methods. i just kinda merge them all together to make things easier for myself and spreading the knowledge.
i have not had one contam using a shmuvbox with this method since i fired the pressure cooker back up the last couple years. ive done 4 batches of jars recently with no contams. a few months ago i did 40 ape jars with no issues. soon, i will continue to post every single batch i do in order to show everyone that this works. im not hiding anything that you don't see. im posting it every single time i look at it with no gaps. additionally, ive done this method with clone material that i have stored in the fridge for over 5 years. ive even used pf jars that are 1 year old to do this method with success. when my pf jars colonize, i put them directly in my fridge with the foil lid over the holes. when its time to p2g, i pull out a pf jar from the fridge and do the above method. i don't have any issues with contams anymore than a normal cultivator. id say in all of my years i actually get less contams using this method than other methods. its no better or worse, its just easy.
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Quote: agar work is harder than this. this is simple. thats the point. the dry vermiculite barrier is irrelevant. if you have a colonized pf cake then you can use this method. it makes no difference what lid your using. This is more "noob friendly" than agar work.
 It's the perfect next step for a beginner. I remember one particular thread doc t criticizes me for suggesting it. It's certainly nothing new, and I can name a few other posters here who have been doing P2G for years as well.
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your right this isn't new, i just posted it because i didn't really see any good illustrations using it. hell its my preferred method now. i try to simplify everything. if it works and its easier with the same success, ill take the quicker route. im reading all this stuff and there are so many extra steps added. ill just skip all those extra steps and get the same results. if people want to try it and it makes it easier for them, thats awesome im glad i can help. if they don't want to try it, and want to keep debating things instead of trying things, it makes no difference to me. ill just keep on trucking either way. because i got plenty of shroom meat to eat.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808638 - 11/07/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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pasteurizing coir instead of bucket tek'ing/sterilizing has nothing to do with failed grows. its the spawn. pasteurizing coir wont help if your spawn isnt clean. IDK why this is so hard to comprehend.
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crackbaby said: it actually is pretty disheartening, the way a sort of mob mentality seems to be pervasive here...i've been noticing this in this forum a lot--a very rigid, arrogant
its not a mob mentality, its a bunch of people knowing how stuff works, and a few (or in this case, only you) that doesnt. stop whining, start learning crackbaby.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23808772 - 11/07/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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All I can say is it's a good thing you're a fuckin opt out with that attitude.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23808825 - 11/07/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really wish they took eats tag when they took Vs He deserved to be stripped first.
There's an abundance of people I would say are far more helpful and likely to give good advice that helps people actually grow more for their effort. like inoc and space.
Pf2G is stupid, unfortunately it's a noob magnet because eat has a tag. His methods are so hit or miss I almost consider him trolling as baseline behavior
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808844 - 11/07/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not to derail the dirty spawn train but correct me if I'm wrong, a contributing factor could be the coir if he's using the gardening variety as opposed lizard bedding? I don't think it was mentioned.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23808848 - 11/07/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn't matter. A lot of people prefer the garden coir because it has no pieces of plastic, metal, grains, children's fingers, etc..
You can simply hydrate coir and use it. It just works a lot better if you cook it til it darkens
There's a metric dickload or trich spores all over the air already anyways
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23808854 - 11/07/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bucket tek should kill any molds.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808871 - 11/07/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's a metric dickload or trich spores all over the air already anyways
Good point.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808876 - 11/07/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No matter your argument on this matter, learning agar is going to make you a better mycologist no matter which way you cut it.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808877 - 11/07/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 
Edited by crackbaby (11/21/16 10:58 AM)
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: brickwallnomad]
#23808879 - 11/07/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Op actually sent me a PM asking me to post here about how wrong everyone was to be recommend agar.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808890 - 11/07/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

So why don't you go do some PF to grain. What the hell does that have to do with this thread other than trying to be a level 10 autist devils advocate?
If you haven't noticed in light of advancement in this hobby half of those old TCs methods are basically fucking garbage.
Show me the last time someone did an ohm monotub
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808902 - 11/07/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

When people say stuff like that I know not to take any grow advice from them.
It is getting seriously stupid in here. All kinds of shit CAN work, but how much of it is worth discussing in the context of finding success?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808903 - 11/07/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
You can simply hydrate coir and use it. It just works a lot better if you cook it til it darkens
this has been my point all along-- properly cooked coir is easier for the mycellium to work with and get a foothold, EVEN IF THE JARS ARE BACTERIAL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. This way, the spawn (again, which the OP says was given both a favorable visual and smell inspection) has a better chance of getting a jump on any contams, and producing at least a flush or two before the green sets in. Again, i agree that he is better off in the future learning agar, but for the time being he's got 16 fully colonized grain jars (i think). Actually, cased trays would probably be the best way to go with the remaining jars at this point
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808909 - 11/07/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808912 - 11/07/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said:
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bodhisatta said:
You can simply hydrate coir and use it. It just works a lot better if you cook it til it darkens
this has been my point all along-- properly cooked coir is easier for the mycellium to work with and get a foothold, EVEN IF THE JARS ARE BACTERIAL TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. This way, the spawn (again, which the OP says was given both a favorable visual and smell inspection) has a better chance of getting a jump on any contams, and producing at least a flush or two before the green sets in. Again, i agree that he is better off in the future learning agar, but for the time being he's got 16 fully colonized grain jars (i think). Actually, cased trays would probably be the best way to go with the remaining jars at this point
How you cook your coir matters 0 if your spawn is dirty. Cooling it helps the contamination too. Uncooked coir goes in reptile terrariums and never molds or rots
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crackbaby said: i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

When people say stuff like that I know not to take any grow advice from them.
It is getting seriously stupid in here. All kinds of shit CAN work, but how much of it is worth discussing in the context of finding success?
Exactly
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23808913 - 11/07/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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crackbaby said: i'll just leave this here--
from page 5 of Eatualive's p2g 123 (funny enough, it was above a post later made by spacechildo in the thread)...same thing rings true nowadays 

So why don't you go do some PF to grain. What the hell does that have to do with this thread other than trying to be a level 10 autist devils advocate?
If you haven't noticed in light of advancement in this hobby half of those old TCs methods are basically fucking garbage.
Show me the last time someone did an ohm monotub
I have done plenty of PF to grain projects which worked wonderfully, thankyouverymuch. I posted that section since it serves to illustrate the hard-headed, dogmatic parroting (you MUST do agar! there's simply no other way!!!) which still resonates nowadays
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23808923 - 11/07/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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For very high success rates there is no other option other than agar. Of course you can noc up 100 quart grain jars with a syringe and have 30 40 or so go bad. Or you can clean the spores up on agar, wedge some masters and g2g those 100 jars with zero bad.
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