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Edmunter
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Mycolorado]
#23805802 - 11/06/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mycolorado said: This is directly from syringe...

Good work...................... Kinding, I know.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Edmunter] 1
#23805807 - 11/06/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright what have you consumed recently sir?
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Edmunter
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23805812 - 11/06/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me? Sunday lunch, glass of red wine and some tramadol to take the edge off the crack last night.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Edmunter]
#23805813 - 11/06/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Me? Sunday lunch, glass of red wine and some tramadol to take the edge off the crack last night.

hey!! tramadol can give you seizures in high doeses.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23805827 - 11/06/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edmunter said: Me? Sunday lunch, glass of red wine and some tramadol to take the edge off the crack last night.

hey!! tramadol can give you seizures in high doeses.
What do you call high doses
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: bodhisatta]
#23805861 - 11/06/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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Mycolorado said: This is directly from syringe...

They mean streaked like this


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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: spacechildo]
#23805983 - 11/06/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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a lot. like 20 pills a day a lot. withdrawal can do it too. i dont like tramadol. gives me the 'i have to remember to breathe' thing.
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crackbaby
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23806083 - 11/06/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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NightPuma1 said: agar is the only chance I have for doing a monotub with any reasonable percentage of chance of it working.
spoken like a pro
False. I've done plenty of tubs using MS to rye, and MS g2g with success, and even if the jars are less than 100% clean you should be able to get a flush or two if all the substrate in the tub becomes fully colonized.
I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek. Or seeing whether the colonized substrate has proper moisture for fruiting (using the tiny beads on the surface as an indicator), and subsequently making adjustments to the polyfill.
Although the OP's spawn might not be the cleanest, if the jars are fully colonized and pass the smell test they should be able to produce shrooms if mixed with properly prepared substrate. Another suggestion would be to go with a 1:2 or even 1:1 ratio.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806098 - 11/06/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806126 - 11/06/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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might not be the cleanest??
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Look guys I've been doing monotubs for 6 months now and have failed in every way possible.
why talk about his cvg or polyfil when its the spawn thats dirty. lolz fix the problem at the source.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806153 - 11/06/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
because the bucket tek can be very unreliable if you're a beginner and don't mix everything in the bucket properly, as is evident in the initial post. I had a similar problem with the bucket tek due to uneven mixing (don't get me wrong, i think the BT works great if everything is done correctly and the substrate gets cooked evenly). Pasteurizing or sterilizing the CVG, along with going with a good beginner spawn ratio, can help ensure that some success can be had, rather than necessarily having to learn agar
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806158 - 11/06/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Say wuh?
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Inocuole
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806190 - 11/06/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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crackbaby said: I'm surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the idea of paseurizing or sterilizing the CVG instead of using the bucket tek.
I'm not. Why would anyone say such a thing?
because the bucket tek can be very unreliable if you're a beginner and don't mix everything in the bucket properly, as is evident in the initial post. I had a similar problem with the bucket tek due to uneven mixing (don't get me wrong, i think the BT works great if everything is done correctly and the substrate gets cooked evenly). Pasteurizing or sterilizing the CVG, along with going with a good beginner spawn ratio, can help ensure that some success can be had, rather than necessarily having to learn agar
That was a trick question. You failed. Sorry.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806211 - 11/06/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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so the consensus here is that learning agar is the only solution to solving the OP's problem, rather than ordering some new syringes and adjusting some of the spawning methods?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806219 - 11/06/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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why waste the time and money on something that already failed? if OP hadnt failed for 6months straight it would be different.
or do agar and be 99% sure.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806246 - 11/06/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's with the aversion to agar? It's super simple and cheap, especially if you're already working with grains.
You could go buy 30 dollars of additional syringe(s) and roll the contam dice again, sure. Or you could buy 30 dollars of agar supplies and know for a fact your culture is clean.
Regardless of if it's possible to go MS - > grain and achieve success some of the time, why would you when there is a much better way? Especially after failing so hard with green mold and bad spawn.
Please stop misinforming the OP.
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: mushboy]
#23806256 - 11/06/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's simply nothing that could be inside the coir that pasteurization or sterilization would benefit over the bucket tek, unless of course, unpasteurized manure, with the microbes still living in it, despite the coir compression process, happened to be in there. Then you would definitely want to spend time pasteurizing your manure-contaminated coir.
I tend to advocate for sterilizing the coir, but it's pretty well agreed upon that you can get good results with coir prepared pretty much any possible way, so long as the spawn is clean.
Which brings us back to agar..
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806270 - 11/06/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I tend to advocate for sterilizing the coir
how come he?
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: Inocuole]
#23806302 - 11/06/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm not saying that the problem could be from contams within the coir. What i'm getting at is that properly cooked coir is the key to successful colonization/fruiting. And pasteurizing or sterilizing allows the beginner to mix the CVG thoroughly, check for the right field capacity, then load up quart jars cook everything evenly. I got nuthin against agar, but it seems to me a little strange that everyone is insisting that he must switch to that method (there was even a post earlier in this thread that denounced using a spore syringe to knock up rye jars--which has always worked for me)
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Re: Monotub help - I've researched all I can! [Re: crackbaby]
#23806468 - 11/06/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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that's a newbs excuse for failure. coir doesnt give a fuck. stop misinforming someone who's already struggling. its the spawn, 100%.
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