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So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant.
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New emails revealed he was only allowed to run against Hillary after he agreed not to attack her. He was "flagged" multiple times throughout the primary when he used the term, "hustle" when talking about Hillary's wealth. Despicable. The DNC had three different scenarios planned for when Sanders was supposed to endorse Hillary. They set up three different dates, all after big days in the primaries, and sanders was "ALLOWED" to endorse her on any of those days. Hillary's team released a general election memo to their team 2 months BEFORE the primaries started, stating that they'd USE SANDERS to push democrat unity.
#rigged.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Webster10]
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yeah, Hillary is a conniving bitch. but that's politics for you.
but regardless of all that. you have no proof he was a "plant". you realise that being used, and being trammelled into a political farmhouse, is what politicians do to one another, right? this doesn't mean he was a "plant", it just means he was used.
he couldn't compete any other way because of the way elections are run in the country...he had to play softball, if he wanted the Democratic ticket. simple as that. you are trying to spin it into a conspiracy against Sanders legitimacy, but you're not really covering all your bases.
because the runners that can succeed are those with the most riches to help them win (or most contributions), Sanders had to play ball with Clinton so he could run, because he certainly couldn't run as anything else, it wouldn't be possible to run as liberal, or socialist. they aren't on the ticket. it's republicans and democrats that are on the ticket.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
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It's already been proven that it was a conspiracy against Sanders. That's what DWS was ousted for.
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/47719 That's the wikileak email with the general election strategy memo attached. How the FUCK did they plan to use Sanders to push democratic unity two months before the primaries even started without some collusion going on?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Webster10]
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Webster10] 2
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Hillary is going to be a great president, so cool your jets!
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: lurkmode]
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lurkmode said: Hillary is going to be a great president, so cool your jets!
Bullshit.
I think Trump's going to win anyway (not saying he'd make anything like a good president either)
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: eeso]
#23802913 - 11/05/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trump will be better than the Hildabeast,
is he a "great" candidate? No, but he's the best one running
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse] 4
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He does look like a plant

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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Pepe -- spirit cooking -- same diff.
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is he a "great" candidate? No, but he's the best one running
why do conservatives often espouse their love for possessions, and yet frequently endorse Christianity?
i've never understood this, hostile, could you explain to me why this happens?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23803240 - 11/05/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe you should ask someone who endorses Christianity 
Why do progressives always assign any opposition to abortion as "religious extremism"?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
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i never assigned anything to you. i wasn't sure if you were Christian, just that you were a conservative. so i asked a conservative. sorry for thinking so highly of you. but then again, just to note: i never assigned you as opposition...but you did me, so. progressive much?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said: It's already been proven that it was a conspiracy against Sanders. That's what DWS was ousted for.
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/47719 That's the wikileak email with the general election strategy memo attached. How the FUCK did they plan to use Sanders to push democratic unity two months before the primaries even started without some collusion going on?
I love Bernie, but is it really too much to believe that when planning for the scenario in which Hillary won the Democratic nomination, they could have reasonably assumed Bernie would've endorsed the candidate most favorable to his platform and the one most likely to keep Trump out of office? There is no doubt Hillary would have endorsed Bernie had he won.
Also, does it really make sense that the DNC would've only "allowed" Bernie to run with the intention of making sure he didn't win at the risk of him actually resonating with people, fueling theories that the primaries were rigged against him, and harming Hillary's chances in the general election? I mean, if the DNC was going to rig the primary, why let any other candidate run in the first place? Bernie was really an independent too... why would they collude with someone that wasn't even in their party in the first place?
DWS and a few other people were certainly biased against Bernie but there's no reason to believe that that was a party-wide conspiracy and not pure selfish motivation. There's not a lot of reason to believe they even really had an effect on the primary anyway. Bernie lost pretty much because he failed to appeal to older black voters (or older voters in general), and he didn't do a whole lot to change that.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Arcanum]
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I don't know why this is surprising to anyone. Watch it come out that Trump is a Clinton plant too, or they are just playing both sides 
This election is a giant puppet show being advertised as a live action sitcom.
In fact I think it would be more surprising if anyone even remotely involved in the election hasn't been payed off already...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Arcanum] 3
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I cant wait until this election is over so yall can go back to arguing about black people getting shot by cops
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: ModestMouse]
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: ModestMouse] 1
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The Bernie supporters are even worse than Hillary supports IMO. Bernie is the biggest sellout of them all, yet pretends to be above corruption and special interests. His entire movement was built on a lie. The lie that he wasn't a career politician and wasn't going to sell out the American people to a party politics, but that's EXACTLY what he did. Per Wikileaks, he got a $600,000 house paid for by the Clinton regime.
Yup, good ol' Bernie the liberal left said would save America. The same guy that's been a political hack longer than any other senator. More "Hope and Change" people...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05]
#23803658 - 11/05/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: The Bernie supporters are even worse than Hillary supports IMO. Bernie is the biggest sellout of them all, yet pretends to be above corruption and special interests. His entire movement was built on a lie. The lie that he wasn't a career politician and wasn't going to sell out the American people to a party politics, but that's EXACTLY what he did. Per Wikileaks, he got a $600,000 house paid for by the Clinton regime.
Yup, good ol' Bernie the liberal left said would save America. The same guy that's been a political hack longer than any other senator. More "Hope and Change" people...
I wouldn't call it selling out. He wouldn't have even been there in the first place if he hadn't caved to whatever they had planned for him 
What would you have done in his position? Give up and not do anything? Or get paid and at least try to pass on certain issues to the other candidate.
Clearly it sucks that is how it worked out but I certainly don't blame him. What would have been different if he hadn't accepted any pay?...
He still would have gotten screwed out of the election If he actually had a chance maybe he would have "saved america".
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05]
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hey, take a look at how wrong you are
http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary
But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.
The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.
Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.
But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:
“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”
By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.
Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.
of course, TruthOrFiction and Snopes are run by the liberal elite so, they are Satanist. please take precaution with these facts.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05]
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daytripper05 said: The Bernie supporters are even worse than Hillary supports IMO. Bernie is the biggest sellout of them all, yet pretends to be above corruption and special interests. His entire movement was built on a lie. The lie that he wasn't a career politician and wasn't going to sell out the American people to a party politics, but that's EXACTLY what he did. Per Wikileaks, he got a $600,000 house paid for by the Clinton regime.
Yup, good ol' Bernie the liberal left said would save America. The same guy that's been a political hack longer than any other senator. More "Hope and Change" people...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
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daytripper05 said: The Bernie supporters are even worse than Hillary supports IMO. Bernie is the biggest sellout of them all, yet pretends to be above corruption and special interests. His entire movement was built on a lie. The lie that he wasn't a career politician and wasn't going to sell out the American people to a party politics, but that's EXACTLY what he did. Per Wikileaks, he got a $600,000 house paid for by the Clinton regime.
Yup, good ol' Bernie the liberal left said would save America. The same guy that's been a political hack longer than any other senator. More "Hope and Change" people...

How is that worse then supporting Trump OR Hillary? They are both incredibly corrupt and manipulative.
Bernie was just the victim of the corruption/ manipulation going on in politics...
That is like saying the witness to a murder who was threatened and or bribed to stay silent is worse then the murderers...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
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no one was bribed...it's a goddamn idiotic meme someone invented.
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akira_akuma said: hey, take a look at how wrong you are
http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary
But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.
The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.
Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.
But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:
“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”
By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.
Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
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daytripper05 said: The Bernie supporters are even worse than Hillary supports IMO. Bernie is the biggest sellout of them all, yet pretends to be above corruption and special interests. His entire movement was built on a lie. The lie that he wasn't a career politician and wasn't going to sell out the American people to a party politics, but that's EXACTLY what he did. Per Wikileaks, he got a $600,000 house paid for by the Clinton regime.
Yup, good ol' Bernie the liberal left said would save America. The same guy that's been a political hack longer than any other senator. More "Hope and Change" people...

How is that worse then supporting Trump OR Hillary? They are both incredibly corrupt and manipulative.
Bernie was just the victim of the corruption/ manipulation going on in politics...
That is like saying the witness to a murder who was threatened and or bribed to stay silent is worse then the murderers...
Lol, this takes the cake right there. How was Bernie a victim when received a $600,000 house for dropping out of the race? He is the definition of a sellout. He campaign against Hillary and all his supporters wanted to get rid of "Washington insider politics", which he admitted is exactly what Hillary stands for. But he sold out for $600,000. There is no other way of spinning that unless you are fanboy of his and want to feel good about him milking the financial tit of the Clinton Foundation.
You realize if he wouldn't have sold out to Hillary, he would have the nomination right? 2 weeks after he sold out to Hillary, Wikileaks came out with emails that showed the DNC and the media colluding together to ruin Bernie's support. The literally slandered him for weeks in the media during the primaries when he had the clear momentum. He had the popular vote, but the super delegates saved Hillary because in the end Bernie conceded. Had he just stuck his guns for 2 more weeks it would be him campaigning and not her. But thank god he sold out and showed Americans what's he's really made of before that happened. Because he probably would have beat trump easily.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: no one was bribed...it's a goddamn idiotic meme someone invented.
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akira_akuma said: hey, take a look at how wrong you are
http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary
But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.
The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.
Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.
But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:
“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”
By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.
Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.
of course, TruthOrFiction and Snopes are run by the liberal elite so, they are Satanist. please take precaution with these facts. 
Also lets say he was bribed... Do you think things would have played out any differently had he turned it down? 
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You realize if he wouldn't have sold out to Hillary, he would have the nomination right? 2 weeks after he sold out to Hillary, Wikileaks came out with emails that showed the DNC and the media colluding together to ruin Bernie's support. The literally slandered him for weeks in the media during the primaries when he had the clear momentum. He had the popular vote, but the super delegates saved Hillary because in the end Bernie conceded. Had he just stuck his guns for 2 more weeks it would be him campaigning and not her. But thank god he sold out and showed Americans what's he's really made of before that happened. Because he probably would have beat trump easily.

It was rigged in favor of hillary man, you said it yourself. The media was trying to ruin him. Even if he had the majority of support it was fixed...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Great Scott]
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Also lets say he was bribed... Do you think things would have played out any differently had he turned it down?
how do you mean? you mean would people still prevaricate about how much a puppet he apparently is for having money, by those whom claim to love a businessman's power and wealth?
yes. of course. these people are morons.
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It was rigged in favor of hillary man, you said it yourself. The media was trying to ruin him. Even if he had the majority of support it was fixed...
he doesn't care for logic and reason to settle any kind of dissonance in his cognizance of the truth.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Great Scott]
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you just love Hillary, don't you.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Lol, this takes the cake right there. How was Bernie a victim when received a $600,000 house for dropping out of the race?
dude. try and read
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hey, take a look at how wrong you are
http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary
But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.
The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.
Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.
But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:
“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”
By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.
Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
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I don't know what's so hard to believe about what I said. If you look up what I'm saying, there are many profressional political analytics that agree with my statements.
It was no more fixed in Hillary's favor than it was in 2008. She was suppose to get the nomination. She had the super delegates but Obama captivated so much "Hope and Change" bullshit that it pushed Hillary out nomination. She was suppose to win, but the DNC couldn't deny the nomination to the people with such overwhelming majority. Last minute the delegates switched to support Obama. It could have been the same for Bernia. He had MUCH more of the popular vote than Hillary.
People actually supported Bernia, whereas most of the votes for Hillary aren't actually people like her. Rather, they just hate Trump more. But with Bernie, he actually had thousands of people showing up to his rallies and actually supported him. He also has tons of donations from average people, whereas Hillary's money almost exclusively comes from big private donors.
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why don't you look up what someone with facts is saying?
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Like what? What am I looked to up that I haven't already? I've clicked on the links and read the stuff that's posted. Most of which just sounds like it has been regurgitated from the Clinton talking points memo.
I'm pretty specific at the points I have making, and everything I am saying is a fact. Nobody is refuting what I am saying specifically. It's just all rhetoric.
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Also lets say he was bribed... Do you think things would have played out any differently had he turned it down?
how do you mean? you mean would people still prevaricate about how much a puppet he apparently is for having money, by those whom claim to love a businessman's power and wealth?
yes. of course. these people are morons.
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It was rigged in favor of hillary man, you said it yourself. The media was trying to ruin him. Even if he had the majority of support it was fixed...
he doesn't care for logic and reason to settle any kind of dissonance in his cognizance of the truth.
It really is mind blowing how hypocritical people get with politics... Everyone starts thinking with their selective memories.
"My candidate is better then your candidate becouse _______" "Oh yeah well your candidate ______ too" "Well who cares everyone _______ it's no big deal"

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It was no more fixed in Hillary's favor than it was in 2008. She was suppose to get the nomination. She had the super delegates but Obama captivated so much "Hope and Change" bullshit that it pushed Hillary out nomination. She was suppose to win, but the DNC couldn't deny the nomination to the people with such overwhelming majority. Last minute the delegates switched to support Obama. It could have been the sa
Have you been paying attention to these leaks at all? It was completely set up for her to win over Bernie...
Bernie cold have had 80%+ support and Hillary still would have won I bet. They would have just attacked him even more in the media and made him look worse.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
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daytripper05 said: Like what? What am I looked to up that I haven't already? I've clicked on the links and read the stuff that's posted. Most of which just sounds like it has been regurgitated from the Clinton talking points memo.
I'm pretty specific at the points I have making, and everything I am saying is a fact. Nobody is refuting what I am saying specifically. It's just all rhetoric.
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Lol, this takes the cake right there. How was Bernie a victim when received a $600,000 house for dropping out of the race?
dude. try and read
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hey, take a look at how wrong you are
http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary
But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.
The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.
Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.
But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:
“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”
By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.
Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.
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I'm pretty specific at the points I have making, and everything I am saying is a fact. Nobody is refuting what I am saying specifically. It's just all rhetoric.
it's refuted. no one needs to prevaricate with you, or argue with you about anything. you say, "it reads like a regurgitated talking points memo", but that means squat. you need prove that the facts presented aren't accurate or true. you haven't. then you can also provide some evidence to show that he received that money from the Clintons. you haven't. you've just prevaricated and made presumptuous fodder of the so-called facts, in order to have your cake and eat it too.
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Keep drinking the government koolaid, nobody is going to convince the liberals otherwise...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05]
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um, no one needs to drink. you need to actually provide a shred of evidence for your claims. that's all. just one shred of evidence that Clinton paid Sanders the 600,000$. that's all. one thing.
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Yeah becouse I am the one making ridiculous claims with no evidence 
Anyone who doesn't realize they are playing both sides has had too much koolaid... From what I have gathered that is the vast majority of the US sadly.
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If there's one thing I can say about Bernie, it's this: I respect the man like no other politician. He had his conviction. He fought tooth and nails even if he had no chance and he didn't sell out his country like Hillary did.
I have nothing but respect for the man.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Patlal]
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I have nothing but respect for the man.
His policies would have collapsed the economy
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His policies would have collapsed the economy
Yeah and the good old "trickle down" system we have been using has done such a wonderful job of equally distributing wealth
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
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no. his policies would have the social-structure require itself to revamp, as education revamps, and businesses come home to roost; then there would have been a decline, surely, of certain surplus amenities, only to be revamped again, by the rising tide of the new educated work-force, to reinvigorate the already stale economy.
it would have made mad a lot of the right, because they'd have to commit to having a less-is-more strategy to revamping the economy, instead of the usual, we'll pull ourselves up by our bootstraps approach.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
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His policies would have collapsed the economy
Yeah and the good old "trickle down" system we have been using has done such a wonderful job of equally distributing wealth 
well, it was never meant to help the little guy...but neither does conserving that system, help him, nor does reducing public spending, help him -- but it'll all work itself out...the free market can't help but do that. though, it was never meant to be fair...and him, as a little guy, wouldn't gain anything from all this...unless he wanted to start playing a new role, like that of the "business man". well, in that case, it's a win-win, for him...otherwise though, it's just a matter of buying the notion of a slogan to get you through your day.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
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That is what I mean though "collapsed the economy" is such a broad term and by some standards it is already pretty close to happening considering how many people live in poverty.
So a new strategy might make the economy worse in some ways (higher taxes on the rich) but then it could actually start distributing wealth more efficiently.
I like to think he would have at least been a step in the right direction spending/ tax wise. Who knows he may not have been able to do shit really 
And I don't mean he would be incapable I mean the powers that be wouldn't let him. Which seems to be the case considering how he was screwed out of the race.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
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it's ok, when Trump changes nothing, then the right will begging for the change they wanted to see, albeit tacitly, with their hands under their buttocks as they sit and spin.
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His policies would have collapsed the economy
Yeah and the good old "trickle down" system we have been using has done such a wonderful job of equally distributing wealth 
Explain to me how shifting a massive amount more $$$ to govt and somehow it helping the lower classes ISN'T trickle down
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hostileuniverse said: Explain to me how shifting a massive amount more $$$ to govt and somehow it helping the lower classes ISN'T trickle down 
Are you saying Bernie would have done that? Care to give us some evidence? 
Shifting a "massive amount more $$$" to and from what? 

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akira_akuma said: it's ok, when Trump changes nothing, then the right will begging for the change they wanted to see, albeit tacitly, with their hands under their buttocks as they sit and spin.
I really hope that isn't what it takes but clearly at this point we have 2 downhill paths laid out. You are right though either way it should spark more flames of unrest.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
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by the people for the people....except if it's public spending, then it's only conservatives who have a say in anything, because doing anything differently would upset baby and he would cry.
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hostileuniverse said: Explain to me how shifting a massive amount more $$$ to govt and somehow it helping the lower classes ISN'T trickle down 
Are you saying Bernie would have done that? Care to give us some evidence? 
Shifting a "massive amount more $$$" to and from what? 

How do you think he planned to pay for all his "programs"?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
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to and from what, hostile, it's a simple question.
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hostileuniverse said: How do you think he planned to pay for all his "programs"?
Where do you think we pay for all government programs? There is a thing called federal spending and it is possible to re allocate parts of our budget...
So say we want to spend more on education, instead of literally spending more we can just spend less elsewhere... Like on our insanely over bloated military for example.
It is not that complicated man... We waste so much money in so many places as it is, we need to start spending more in places where it matters and will help people.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
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but what about stopping Hillary's WW3? if only there was a way...to do that...*looks hard at military spending*
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Either way WW3 seems very possible
They both are so corrupt and manipulative they are bound to screw over the wrong person eventually if they haven't already...
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hostileuniverse said: How do you think he planned to pay for all his "programs"?
Where do you think we pay for all government programs? There is a thing called federal spending and it is possible to re allocate parts of our budget...
So say we want to spend more on education, instead of literally spending more we can just spend less elsewhere... Like on our insanely over bloated military for example.
It is not that complicated man... We waste so much money in so many places as it is, we need to start spending more in places where it matters and will help people.
Right, with 20 TRILLION in debt and a 500 billion dollar a year deficit, yeah, we can increase spending by 2 TRILLION a year without massive tax increases, just keep printing it! Right?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Can somebody explain to me why Trump or Hillary start WW3?
Never understand why people said that.
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Right, with 20 TRILLION in debt and a 500 billion dollar a year deficit, yeah, we can increase spending by 2 TRILLION a year without massive tax increases, just keep printing it! Right?
way to avoid what he actually said, fix muh debt fix muh problems. that's as far as your swill you've shot will help you take the thought process. you know what'd fix the debt...make the rich actually pay their taxes. either that, or reform the motivations of the country.
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Patlal said: Can somebody explain to me why Trump or Hillary start WW3?
Never understand why people said that.
Hillary has said things that lead people to believe she is a chicken-hawk...and that she might bring the US into more interventionist warzones.
Trump is...likely to be pushed in that direction too.
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hostileuniverse said: Right, with 20 TRILLION in debt and a 500 billion dollar a year deficit, yeah, we can increase spending by 2 TRILLION a year without massive tax increases, just keep printing it! Right?


It almost worked! Damn you Hildabeast!
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23804312 - 11/05/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why don't you try actually making some logical points backed with this thing we like to call EVIDENCE
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
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Why don't you try actually making some logical points backed with this thing we like to call EVIDENCE

Why don't you?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23804339 - 11/05/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're talking about the realm of economic policy, the realm of shadows and ghosts. you can't prove anything...and neither can he. you don't have answers without implementation. to claim you know is asinine. no one knows. it's a prediction that is being given within an economic plan.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23804387 - 11/05/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Why don't you?
What claims have I made that need to be backed up? You are the one stating a bunch of opinion as fact...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
#23804394 - 11/05/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Why don't you?
What claims have I made that need to be backed up? You are the one stating a bunch of opinion as fact...

You wanna dispute anything I've said, go ahead, otherwise no
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23804399 - 11/05/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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doesn't understand he's shifting the burden of proof.^
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804406 - 11/05/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: doesn't understand he's shifting the burden of proof.^
I don't need to prove shit
Prove me wrong, but you won't because you can't
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23804411 - 11/05/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, i'm gonna prove that your non-existent claims are in existence, somehow. i'll proof your non-entity.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804419 - 11/05/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: yeah, i'm gonna prove that your non-existent claims are in existence, somehow. i'll proof your non-entity. 
If you can't dispute it, fuck off
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23804426 - 11/05/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've disputed it already, dinklefart.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#23804444 - 11/05/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
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hostileuniverse said: How do you think he planned to pay for all his "programs"?
Where do you think we pay for all government programs? There is a thing called federal spending and it is possible to re allocate parts of our budget...
So say we want to spend more on education, instead of literally spending more we can just spend less elsewhere... Like on our insanely over bloated military for example.
It is not that complicated man... We waste so much money in so many places as it is, we need to start spending more in places where it matters and will help people.
Right, with 20 TRILLION in debt and a 500 billion dollar a year deficit, yeah, we can increase spending by 2 TRILLION a year without massive tax increases, just keep printing it! Right?
We also currently pay 700 billion $ a year in military production(more then all the rest of the worlds nations combined) out of 8,400 tanks in the entire world we own 6,400 of them. Out of 20 aircraft carriers in the world we own 10. Trump proposes more military action,occupation and general funding. In 4 years that's 2.8 trillion per presidential term currently. Imagine how much that wall will cost the American people.
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Trump also proposes making all the countries we protect to also pay for it, which all democrats oppose, they think we should be the worlds police and pay for it all as well
We need a military, to suggest otherwise is fucking stupid
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Patlal]
#23804483 - 11/05/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23804484 - 11/05/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes, police state but even better. police world! sounds fun. sounds like something everyone should really want to pay into, Mr. Muh Non-Interventionism.
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23804567 - 11/05/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Trump also proposes making all the countries we protect to also pay for it, which all democrats oppose, they think we should be the worlds police and pay for it all as well
So we should make all the smaller less well off countries we protect pay for our massively bloated and unnecessary military budget?
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We need a military, to suggest otherwise is fucking stupid
Who said we don't need a military? No one here did so the only "fucking stupid" person I see is you...
There is a huge middle ground between 700 billion$ more military spending then the rest of the world combined and no military.
Get out of here with that bullshit sidestepping logic...
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Webster10]
#23805020 - 11/05/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Webster10 said: It's already been proven that it was a conspiracy against Sanders. That's what DWS was ousted for.
https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/47719 That's the wikileak email with the general election strategy memo attached. How the FUCK did they plan to use Sanders to push democratic unity two months before the primaries even started without some collusion going on?
Do you even read anything that you post? This is what the attachment says:
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General Election Transition Concept Strengths Weaknesses ● Earlier start on general election than GOP ● Ability to stay on current message; no need to “backtrack” on primary message ● Strong operations in 4+ of the 7 BG states ● Electoral college map ● GOP opposition research on HRC will be better than ours on GOP and they will have a clear opponent; they will likely have a powerful and welltested argument against HRC; assume hefty tactical plan to implement ● Could be outspent in GE markets Opportunities Threats ● Define the GOP candidate; put him on defense and keep him on defense ● Keep pushing GOP nominee to the right (if their primary keeps going) ● Super PAC spending ● Overly intense media scrutiny on scandal ● Lack of a plan Assumptions/Imperatives 1. Take advantage of earlier nomination; Important opportunity to make our message and contrast crystal clear before GOP candidate has a clean shot to respond 2. Opportunity to force likely GOP nominee to double down on extreme positions while their nomination fight continues 3. Box in the likely nominee on key issues and permanentlyput him on defense: MC economics, immigration, POTUS legacy, women’s health 4. Turnout will be as important, if not more important, than persuasion (need to test), so lock in AA, Hispanics, downscale WW right at the beginning 5. We must either be on offense or get picked apart; dovetails with imperative to define the GOP candidate 6. GOP will be well prepared with a wellresearched, damaging message and will have the resources to communicate (i.e. can’t flounder or leave things unanswered) 1 Target States (full infrastructure in shaded states) Ohio Colorado Nevada North Carolina (?) Virginia Iowa Pennsylvania Florida New Hampshire Wisconsin
Objective of Comm Plan ● Frame the general election race for press and electorate at large: why HRC is running, contrast with GOP, what’s at stake for target voters (will take place in BG states, but national framing is the core objective). ● Secondary objective will be communicating Democratic unity and using Sanders and others to help drive contrast and urgency. Specific Goals ● Reroll out core campaign message (fighting for us)/make the contrast with the GOP clear ● Put the GOP immediately on the defensive and create crosspressure between general election and primary messages; force them to get firmly on the record with right wing positions ● Protect and reinforce leads with key constituencies ● Conduct tour in key markets to hit BG voters; focus on states that didn’t get as much time in primaries ● Demonstrate unity through POTUS, Sanders, O’M and other endorsements. Have primary opponents help drive contrast and urgency.
Timing We should be very aggressive about saying the primary has ended as early as possible, since it will save us money and give us a further head start on four key transition activities: 1. HRC rest/downtimewould be ideal to give her 45 days of downtime 2. Fundraising a. PUSA meetings, small events (assume these can be organized early?) b. Megaevents for HVF, to raise general election money and party funds for state programs (question for Dennis: can these be organized relatively quickly) 3. Unity event with Sanders 4. General election messaging tour (see below) 2
Scenario 1: Primary ends Feb 9 Feb 15March 29: rest, fundraising March: general election messaging tour, fundraising Scenario 2: Primary ends March 1 March 1March 15: rest, fundraising March 15April 15: general election messaging tour, fundraising Scenario 3: Primary ends March 15 March 15March 30: rest, fundraising April 1April 15: general election messaging tour, fundraising Message We will retest our current message assumptions in the last HRC memo, but the operating theory should be that we stick with what’s there Why HRC is running:fighting for usjob growth, wage growth, help with costs GOP contrast:the Republicans have the same out of date policies that help those at the top, but hurt the rest of us: tax cuts for rich and special interests/corporations...out of date social agenda What’s at stake: ● Middle class: no help, bad econ policies that crash the economy and take away progress we’ve made ● African Americans: voter suppression (?); healthcare/education; President Obama’s legacy ● Hispanics: Immigration, healthcare, education
HRC Events UNITY: Sanders endorsement Community Health Center (ACA) Burlington, VT Brooklyn, NYblock where he grew up? TOUR 1: Jobs and Wage Growth Tour Pennsylvania: Infrastructure Ohio: manufacturing/coal transition? Virginia/Wisconsin: Education 3 Virginia/Iowa: Infrastructure Colorado and/or Nevada: Energy/green jobs? TOUR 2: Estoy Contigo Tour (Hisp) Nevada (Las Vegas) Colorado (Denver) Florida (Orlando) (Could do Arlington, VA as well) Earned media outlets: Univision Telemundo Local radio markets TOUR 3: Fighting for Us Tour (branding?) (AA)/POTUS endorsement Ohio (Cleveland) with POTUS Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)/Michigan (Detroit) Virginia (Hampton Roads) with FLOTUS North Carolina (if competitive) Florida (Miami?) with FLOTUS Earned media outlets: Steve Harvey Others? TOUR 4: Youth Tour? Focus on student debt; good jobs/benefits..green jobs/climate; equality? Surrogate Events
OUT OF DATE/OUT OF TOUCH TEAM Special team of reliable GOP opposition surrogatesthis may be a good project for DWSwho birddog GOP candidates, especially likely nominee, at their events (need special staff team at HQ that does this); reinforce basic contrast message and try to push them further to the right. 1. Women’s bus tour chasing GOP; speaking at events and challenging them to be clear on women’s health/equality issues 2. Hispanic activist groups to protest GOP events; seek outside groups to badger GOP candidates, get them on the record 3. AA team; POTUS legacy? 4. Youth group? Hollywood types or digital influencers?
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Patlal]
#23805128 - 11/05/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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