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Offlinehostileuniverse
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23804394 - 11/05/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
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hostileuniverse said:
Why don't you?




What claims have I made that need to be backed up? You are the one stating a bunch of opinion as fact...

:douchewink:




You wanna dispute anything I've said, go ahead, otherwise no


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804399 - 11/05/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

doesn't understand he's shifting the burden of proof.^


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804406 - 11/05/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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doesn't understand he's shifting the burden of proof.^




I don't need to prove shit

Prove me wrong, but you won't because you can't :lol:


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804411 - 11/05/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, i'm gonna prove that your non-existent claims are in existence, somehow. i'll proof your non-entity. :lol:


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23804419 - 11/05/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
yeah, i'm gonna prove that your non-existent claims are in existence, somehow. i'll proof your non-entity. :lol:




If you can't dispute it, fuck off


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804426 - 11/05/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i've disputed it already, dinklefart.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #23804444 - 11/05/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:burn:


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23804458 - 11/05/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you think he planned to pay for all his "programs"?:shrug:




Where do you think we pay for all government programs? :facepalm3: There is a thing called federal spending and it is possible to re allocate parts of our budget...

So say we want to spend more on education, instead of literally spending more we can just spend less elsewhere... Like on our insanely over bloated military for example.

It is not that complicated man... We waste so much money in so many places as it is, we need to start spending more in places where it matters and will help people.




Right, with 20 TRILLION in debt and a 500 billion dollar a year deficit, yeah, we can increase spending by 2 TRILLION a year without massive tax increases, just keep printing it! Right?:lol:



We also currently pay 700 billion $ a year in military production(more then all the rest of the worlds nations combined) out of 8,400 tanks in the entire world we own 6,400 of them. Out of 20 aircraft carriers in the world we own 10. Trump proposes more military action,occupation and general funding. In 4 years that's 2.8 trillion per presidential term currently. Imagine how much that wall will cost the American people.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23804479 - 11/05/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump also proposes making all the countries we protect to also pay for it, which all democrats oppose, they think we should be the worlds police and pay for it all as well

We need a military, to suggest otherwise is fucking stupid


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Patlal]
    #23804483 - 11/05/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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He does look like a plant







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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804484 - 11/05/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yes, police state but even better. police world! sounds fun. sounds like something everyone should really want to pay into, Mr. Muh Non-Interventionism.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804567 - 11/05/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump also proposes making all the countries we protect to also pay for it, which all democrats oppose, they think we should be the worlds police and pay for it all as well




So we should make all the smaller less well off countries we protect pay for our massively bloated and unnecessary military budget?

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We need a military, to suggest otherwise is fucking stupid




Who said we don't need a military? No one here did so the only "fucking stupid" person I see is you...

There is a huge middle ground between 700 billion$ more military spending then the rest of the world combined and no military.

Get out of here with that bullshit sidestepping logic...


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Webster10]
    #23805020 - 11/05/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's already been proven that it was a conspiracy against Sanders. That's what DWS was ousted for.

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/47719
That's the wikileak email with the general election strategy memo attached. How the FUCK did they plan to use Sanders to push democratic unity two months before the primaries even started without some collusion going on?




Do you even read anything that you post? This is what the attachment says:

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General Election Transition Concept
Strengths
Weaknesses
● Earlier start on general election than GOP
● Ability to stay on current message; no need to “backtrack” on primary message
● Strong operations in 4+ of the 7 BG states
● Electoral college map
● GOP opposition research on HRC will be better than ours on GOP and they will have a clear opponent; they will likely have a powerful and well­tested argument against HRC; assume hefty tactical plan to implement
● Could be outspent in GE markets
Opportunities
Threats
● Define the GOP candidate; put him on defense and keep him on defense
● Keep pushing GOP nominee to the right (if their primary keeps going)
● Super PAC spending
● Overly intense media scrutiny on
scandal
● Lack of a plan
Assumptions/Imperatives
1. Take advantage of earlier nomination; Important opportunity to make our message and contrast crystal clear before GOP candidate has a clean shot to respond
2. Opportunity to force likely GOP nominee to double down on extreme positions while their nomination fight continues
3. Box in the likely nominee on key issues and p​ermanently​put him on defense: MC economics, immigration, POTUS legacy, women’s health
4. Turnout will be as important, if not more important, than persuasion (need to test), so lock in AA, Hispanics, downscale WW right at the beginning
5. We must either be on offense or get picked apart; dovetails with imperative to define the GOP candidate
6. GOP will be well prepared with a well­researched, damaging message and will have the resources to communicate (i.e. can’t flounder or leave things unanswered)
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Target States (​full infrastructure in shaded states)
Ohio
Colorado
Nevada
North Carolina (?)
Virginia
Iowa
Pennsylvania
Florida
New Hampshire
Wisconsin

Objective of Comm Plan
● Frame the general election race for press and electorate at large: why HRC is running, contrast with GOP, what’s at stake for target voters (will take place in BG states, but national framing is the core objective).
● Secondary objective will be communicating Democratic unity and using Sanders and others to help drive contrast and urgency.
Specific Goals
● Re­roll out core campaign message (fighting for us)/make the contrast with the GOP clear
● Put the GOP immediately on the defensive and create cross­pressure between general election and primary messages; force them to get firmly on the record with right wing positions
● Protect and reinforce leads with key constituencies
● Conduct tour in key markets to hit BG voters; focus on states that didn’t get as much
time in primaries
● Demonstrate unity through POTUS, Sanders, O’M and other endorsements. Have
primary opponents help drive contrast and urgency.

Timing
We should be very aggressive about saying the primary has ended as early as possible, since it
will save us money and give us a further head start on four key transition activities:
1. HRC rest/downtime­­would be ideal to give her 4­5 days of downtime 2. Fundraising
a. PUSA meetings, small events (assume these can be organized early?)
b. Mega­events for HVF, to raise general election money and party funds for state
programs (question for Dennis: can these be organized relatively quickly)
3. Unity event with Sanders
4. General election messaging tour (see below)
2

Scenario 1: Primary ends Feb 9
Feb 15­March 29: rest, fundraising
March: general election messaging tour, fundraising
Scenario 2: Primary ends March 1
March 1­March 15: rest, fundraising
March 15­April 15: general election messaging tour, fundraising
Scenario 3: Primary ends March 15
March 15­March 30: rest, fundraising
April 1­April 15: general election messaging tour, fundraising
Message
We will re­test our current message assumptions in the last HRC memo, but the operating theory should be that we stick with what’s there
Why HRC is running:​fighting for us­­job growth, wage growth, help with costs
GOP contrast:​the Republicans have the same out of date policies that help those at the top, but
hurt the rest of us: tax cuts for rich and special interests/corporations...out of date social agenda
What’s at stake:​
● Middle class: no help, bad econ policies that crash the economy and take away progress
we’ve made
● African Americans: voter suppression (?); healthcare/education; President Obama’s
legacy
● Hispanics: Immigration, healthcare, education

HRC Events
UNITY: Sanders endorsement
Community Health Center (ACA) Burlington, VT
Brooklyn, NY­­block where he grew up?
TOUR 1: Jobs and Wage Growth Tour
Pennsylvania: Infrastructure
Ohio: manufacturing/coal transition? Virginia/Wisconsin: Education
3
Virginia/Iowa: Infrastructure
Colorado and/or Nevada: Energy/green jobs?
TOUR 2: Estoy Contigo Tour (Hisp)
Nevada (Las Vegas)
Colorado (Denver)
Florida (Orlando)
(Could do Arlington, VA as well)
Earned media outlets:​ Univision
Telemundo
Local radio markets
TOUR 3: Fighting for Us Tour (branding?) (AA)/POTUS endorsement
Ohio (Cleveland) with POTUS
Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)/Michigan (Detroit) Virginia (Hampton Roads) with FLOTUS
North Carolina (if competitive)
Florida (Miami?) with FLOTUS
Earned media outlets:​ Steve Harvey
Others?
TOUR 4: Youth Tour?
Focus on student debt; good jobs/benefits..green jobs/climate; equality?
Surrogate Events

OUT OF DATE/OUT OF TOUCH TEAM
Special team of reliable GOP opposition surrogates­­this may be a good project for DWS­­who birddog GOP candidates, especially likely nominee, at their events (need special staff team at HQ that does this); reinforce basic contrast message and try to push them further to the right.
1. Women’s bus tour chasing GOP; speaking at events and challenging them to be clear on women’s health/equality issues
2. Hispanic activist groups to protest GOP events; seek outside groups to badger GOP candidates, get them on the record
3. AA team; POTUS legacy?
4. Youth group? Hollywood types or digital influencers?




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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Patlal]
    #23805128 - 11/05/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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He does look like a plant










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