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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23803678 - 11/05/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no one was bribed...it's a goddamn idiotic meme someone invented.

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akira_akuma said:
hey, take a look at how wrong you are

http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary

But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.

The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.

Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.

But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:

“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”

By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.

Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23803692 - 11/05/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The Bernie supporters are even worse than Hillary supports IMO. Bernie is the biggest sellout of them all, yet pretends to be above corruption and special interests. His entire movement was built on a lie. The lie that he wasn't a career politician and wasn't going to sell out the American people to a party politics, but that's EXACTLY what he did. Per Wikileaks, he got a $600,000 house paid for by the Clinton regime.

Yup, good ol' Bernie the liberal left said would save America. The same guy that's been a political hack longer than any other senator. More "Hope and Change" people...




:justastonishing:




How is that worse then supporting Trump OR Hillary? They are both incredibly corrupt and manipulative.

Bernie was just the victim of the corruption/ manipulation going on in politics...

That is like saying the witness to a murder who was threatened and or bribed to stay silent is worse then the murderers...




Lol, this takes the cake right there. How was Bernie a victim when received a $600,000 house for dropping out of the race? He is the definition of a sellout. He campaign against Hillary and all his supporters wanted to get rid of "Washington insider politics", which he admitted is exactly what Hillary stands for. But he sold out for $600,000. There is no other way of spinning that unless you are fanboy of his and want to feel good about him milking the financial tit of the Clinton Foundation.

You realize if he wouldn't have sold out to Hillary, he would have the nomination right? 2 weeks after he sold out to Hillary, Wikileaks came out with emails that showed the DNC and the media colluding together to ruin Bernie's support. The literally slandered him for weeks in the media during the primaries when he had the clear momentum. He had the popular vote, but the super delegates saved Hillary because in the end Bernie conceded. Had he just stuck his guns for 2 more weeks it would be him campaigning and not her. But thank god he sold out and showed Americans what's he's really made of before that happened. Because he probably would have beat trump easily.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23803704 - 11/05/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
no one was bribed...it's a goddamn idiotic meme someone invented.

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
hey, take a look at how wrong you are

http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary

But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.

The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.

Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.

But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:

“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”

By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.

Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.


of course, TruthOrFiction and Snopes are run by the liberal elite so, they are Satanist. please take precaution with these facts. :cookiemonster:








Also lets say he was bribed... Do you think things would have played out any differently had he turned it down? :lol:

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You realize if he wouldn't have sold out to Hillary, he would have the nomination right? 2 weeks after he sold out to Hillary, Wikileaks came out with emails that showed the DNC and the media colluding together to ruin Bernie's support. The literally slandered him for weeks in the media during the primaries when he had the clear momentum. He had the popular vote, but the super delegates saved Hillary because in the end Bernie conceded. Had he just stuck his guns for 2 more weeks it would be him campaigning and not her. But thank god he sold out and showed Americans what's he's really made of before that happened. Because he probably would have beat trump easily.




:youseethisshit:

It was rigged in favor of hillary man, you said it yourself. The media was trying to ruin him. Even if he had the majority of support it was fixed...


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Webster10] * 1
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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Great Scott]
    #23803723 - 11/05/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Also lets say he was bribed... Do you think things would have played out any differently had he turned it down?




how do you mean? you mean would people still prevaricate about how much a puppet he apparently is for having money, by those whom claim to love a businessman's power and wealth?

yes. of course. these people are morons.

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It was rigged in favor of hillary man, you said it yourself. The media was trying to ruin him. Even if he had the majority of support it was fixed...




he doesn't care for logic and reason to settle any kind of dissonance in his cognizance of the truth.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Great Scott]
    #23803725 - 11/05/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you just love Hillary, don't you.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23803727 - 11/05/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol, this takes the cake right there. How was Bernie a victim when received a $600,000 house for dropping out of the race?




dude. try and read

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hey, take a look at how wrong you are

http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary

But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.

The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.

Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.

But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:

“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”

By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.

Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.

of course, TruthOrFiction and Snopes are run by the liberal elite so, they are Satanist. please take precaution with these facts. :cookiemonster:




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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420]
    #23803729 - 11/05/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know what's so hard to believe about what I said. If you look up what I'm saying, there are many profressional political analytics that agree with my statements.

It was no more fixed in Hillary's favor than it was in 2008. She was suppose to get the nomination. She had the super delegates but Obama captivated so much "Hope and Change" bullshit that it pushed Hillary out nomination. She was suppose to win, but the DNC couldn't deny the nomination to the people with such overwhelming majority. Last minute the delegates switched to support Obama. It could have been the same for Bernia. He had MUCH more of the popular vote than Hillary.

People actually supported Bernia, whereas most of the votes for Hillary aren't actually people like her. Rather, they just hate Trump more. But with Bernie, he actually had thousands of people showing up to his rallies and actually supported him. He also has tons of donations from average people, whereas Hillary's money almost exclusively comes from big private donors.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803733 - 11/05/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

why don't you look up what someone with facts is saying?


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23803743 - 11/05/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Like what? What am I looked to up that I haven't already? I've clicked on the links and read the stuff that's posted. Most of which just sounds like it has been regurgitated from the Clinton talking points memo.

I'm pretty specific at the points I have making, and everything I am saying is a fact. Nobody is refuting what I am saying specifically. It's just all rhetoric.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #23803746 - 11/05/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Also lets say he was bribed... Do you think things would have played out any differently had he turned it down?




how do you mean? you mean would people still prevaricate about how much a puppet he apparently is for having money, by those whom claim to love a businessman's power and wealth?

yes. of course. these people are morons.

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It was rigged in favor of hillary man, you said it yourself. The media was trying to ruin him. Even if he had the majority of support it was fixed...




he doesn't care for logic and reason to settle any kind of dissonance in his cognizance of the truth.




It really is mind blowing how hypocritical people get with politics... Everyone starts thinking with their selective memories.

"My candidate is better then your candidate becouse _______" "Oh yeah well your candidate ______ too" "Well who cares everyone _______ it's no big deal"

:rofldrunk:

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I don't know what's so hard to believe about what I said. If you look up what I'm saying, there are many profressional political analytics that agree with my statements.

It was no more fixed in Hillary's favor than it was in 2008. She was suppose to get the nomination. She had the super delegates but Obama captivated so much "Hope and Change" bullshit that it pushed Hillary out nomination. She was suppose to win, but the DNC couldn't deny the nomination to the people with such overwhelming majority. Last minute the delegates switched to support Obama. It could have been the sa




Have you been paying attention to these leaks at all? It was completely set up for her to win over Bernie...

Bernie cold have had 80%+ support and Hillary still would have won I bet. They would have just attacked him even more in the media and made him look worse.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23803751 - 11/05/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Like what? What am I looked to up that I haven't already? I've clicked on the links and read the stuff that's posted. Most of which just sounds like it has been regurgitated from the Clinton talking points memo.

I'm pretty specific at the points I have making, and everything I am saying is a fact. Nobody is refuting what I am saying specifically. It's just all rhetoric.




You mean like
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:


Lol, this takes the cake right there. How was Bernie a victim when received a $600,000 house for dropping out of the race?




dude. try and read

Quote:

hey, take a look at how wrong you are

http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-08-19/story/fact-check-did-bernie-sanders-accept-payment-endorsement-hillary

But TruthOrFiction.com and Snopes.com point out that Sanders’ wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders, said in the original Seven Days article that the couple was able to buy the home because they’d sold a property in Maine that her family had held since the early 1900s. She said that she had inherited the vacation home after her parents died, but the family was unable to use it because it was too far from their primary residence in Vermont, so she sold it and used the proceeds to finance the purchase of a more suitable vacation home.

The Sanders also own a row house on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., and a house in Burlington’s New North End, which is valued at $321,900, according to city property records.

Sanders reported that he and his wife held between $194,026 and $741,030 in assets, mostly a combination of investment funds, in a 2015 financial form, Politico reports. Opensecrets.org tabbed his net worth at about $436,000 in 2014. Fortune magazine reports that virtually all of the couple’s assets are in Jane Sanders’ name.

But real estate holdings — like the family property in Maine — are not included in financial disclosures, Bloomberg reports:

“Candidates report assets’ value in ranges so broad that they can be virtually meaningless. Their homes, cars and federal retirement plans are generally off limits from public view. Nor are presidential contenders subject to rules that make members of Congress disclose stock transactions within 45 days and reveal who holds their mortgages. The deadline is flexible, too.”

By the way, as of July 21, the Federal Election Committee reported $7.8 million in cash on hand between Sanders’ campaign committee and outside groups. Those funds, however, are not eligible for personal expenditures.

Despite all the innuendoes that sprung up because of the real estate transaction and Sanders’ platform of income inequality, there is no proof anywhere that he was paid for his endorsement of Hillary Clinton or that he and his wife couldn’t otherwise have afforded the recent vacation home.

of course, TruthOrFiction and Snopes are run by the liberal elite so, they are Satanist. please take precaution with these facts. :cookiemonster:







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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #23803761 - 11/05/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Like what? What am I looked to up that I haven't already? I've clicked on the links and read the stuff that's posted. Most of which just sounds like it has been regurgitated from the Clinton talking points memo.

I'm pretty specific at the points I have making, and everything I am saying is a fact. Nobody is refuting what I am saying specifically. It's just all rhetoric.




it's refuted. no one needs to prevaricate with you, or argue with you about anything. you say, "it reads like a regurgitated talking points memo", but that means squat. you need prove that the facts presented aren't accurate or true. you haven't. then you can also provide some evidence to show that he received that money from the Clintons. you haven't. you've just prevaricated and made presumptuous fodder of the so-called facts, in order to have your cake and eat it too.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23803763 - 11/05/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Keep drinking the government koolaid, nobody is going to convince the liberals otherwise... :shrug:


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803767 - 11/05/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

um, no one needs to drink. you need to actually provide a shred of evidence for your claims. that's all. just one shred of evidence that Clinton paid Sanders the 600,000$. that's all. one thing.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #23803769 - 11/05/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Keep drinking the government koolaid, nobody is going to convince the liberals otherwise... :shrug:




:lolsy:

Yeah becouse I am the one making ridiculous claims with no evidence :rolleyes:

Anyone who doesn't realize they are playing both sides has had too much koolaid... From what I have gathered that is the vast majority of the US sadly.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: musiclover420] * 3
    #23803852 - 11/05/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If there's one thing I can say about Bernie, it's this: I respect the man like no other politician. He had his conviction. He fought tooth and nails even if he had no chance and he didn't sell out his country like Hillary did.

I have nothing but respect for the man.


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: Patlal]
    #23803874 - 11/05/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
If there's one thing I can say about Bernie, it's this: I respect the man like no other politician. He had his conviction. He fought tooth and nails even if he had no chance and he didn't sell out his country like Hillary did.

I have nothing but respect for the man.




His policies would have collapsed the economy


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse] * 3
    #23803880 - 11/05/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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His policies would have collapsed the economy




Yeah and the good old "trickle down" system we have been using has done such a wonderful job of equally distributing wealth :rolleyes:


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Re: So, Bernie Sanders was a Democratic plant. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803885 - 11/05/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no. his policies would have the social-structure require itself to revamp, as education revamps, and businesses come home to roost; then there would have been a decline, surely, of certain surplus amenities, only to be revamped again, by the rising tide of the new educated work-force, to reinvigorate the already stale economy.

it would have made mad a lot of the right, because they'd have to commit to having a less-is-more strategy to revamping the economy, instead of the usual, we'll pull ourselves up by our bootstraps approach.


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