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OfflinePeyote Road
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How do you guys decide which medicine(s) to work with?
    #23801718 - 11/04/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been working with plant teachers for some time now and I have amassed a decent collection of them.

One of the challenges I face is how to decide what plants to work with. I have been working with salvia lately, but my last trip was intense I want to work with a different plant for a bit. Yet I always feel like I am just picking them almost at random. How do shaman decide when to use which plant?

The biggest issue is if I start to have a bad trip, I always will think "damn should have done the mushrooms instead" (If i took cactus for instance).

I've also begun using a method of asking my Tarot deck to show me what possibilities can come from which plants. Like tonight I was going to take a.muscaria but I drew the five of wands, which suggests discord so I decided not to dose it. Do you guys think this is a good method? Im kind of tempted to dose it anyway.


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Re: How do you guys decide which medicine(s) to work with? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23829341 - 11/13/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So... you are asking if you should use tarot cards to help you decide which substance you should take at the specific point in time?

This world keeps surprising me more and more every day. Of course you shouldn't use fucking tarot cards to help you make such decisions. You should listen to your inner self, your conscience.
You need to know what is it that you need and want to achieve. Which substances have you taken too often and need a brake from. I really don't know what else to say...


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Re: How do you guys decide which medicine(s) to work with? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23829358 - 11/13/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Shamans are more like glorified receptionists than the honcho they are writing memos and taking calls for. If you know to listen then you pick up the call when you recieve it, but I don't think you can tell them to call you. Some people need spirituality, so they recieve it. Others don't, so they see some fun. Whether that is just our perceptions or not is up to the ones who claim they are listening.


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Re: How do you guys decide which medicine(s) to work with? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23829362 - 11/13/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My dad told me he needs CBN or he can't sleep.  I've smoked overripe pot rich in CBN so I understand. 
I feel like psychedelics are for blowing balls.


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Re: How do you guys decide which medicine(s) to work with? [Re: sunshine]
    #23829389 - 11/13/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Meditate on your goals for the voyage.  Spread the plants out in front of you.  Pick each up and turn them over, smell them, and notice your feelings.  If one doesn't present itself to you, maybe you should just postpone.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Re: How do you guys decide which medicine(s) to work with? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23829809 - 11/13/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't read any of the other replies but I think it's just as simple as sticking with whichever plant takes the most care of you or whichever one you understand more. When dealing with plants I believe you need to find your ally and picking which one should be your ally can depend on a lot of things. I think ALL psychoactive/hallucinogenic plants and fungi have particular lessons and agendas for us and I think people respond better to the lessons and/or agendas of certain molecules better.

I personally respond very well to mushrooms and their realm and what they show me, I feel I can understand them more it's like they're speaking my language as they pun intentionality. Whichever plant shows you the most love and has the clearest lessons I say.


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Re: How do you guys decide which medicine(s) to work with? [Re: flickedbic]
    #23830041 - 11/13/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The plants that I work with call to me, and honestly most of the ones that call to me aren't even psychoactive.

Thanks largely to Carlos Castaneda there are all these misconceptions in Western Psychedelic sub-culture about shamanism, and visionary plants' uses in spiritual development.

Shamanism is anamism -- wich is essentialy the worldview that everything in the universe (and the universe itself) is endowed with spirit. It's purpose is to cultivate relationships with these spirits. Psychedelics certianly can facilitate cultivating these relationships, but they are so powerful they can also hinder the proess with delusions too.

From the majority of your posts it sounds like you are struggling to find your way on a mystical or sorcerous path, but you've come to a stand-still. I recomend you broaden your worldview a bit more beyond the psychedelics. They are certianly usefull, and I am not saying abandon them, but there is more to it than visionary plants.

To start try learning the names and uses of all the plants that grow in your area. See if any of them call to you, and if any do start working with them. Ethically harvest some, make medicines from them, tinctures, spagyrics, salves etc.

Some of my non-psychedelic plant allies are dandelion, nettle, yarrow, poplar, and birch

Try to incorporate some kind of daily spiritual practice into you routine. Meditation can be part of it, but try to incorporate more. A good idea is to research some of the magical traditions out there and borrow the bits you find usefull from them. I borrow from Herbraic, Greek, and Norse traditions predominately.

When using an oracle it is wise to heed its advice. For instance if you choose to use Tarot to help make your decisions and the cards you pull strongly indicate that you should not dose, then don't go ahead and dose anyway.

When working with visionary plants, I have found it usefull to focus on one at a time for a given period of time. When I first started establishing a relationship with Cubensis I made a pact to take them with the fullmoon and darkmoon for a year regardless of what was going on in my life. When I was working with Salvia my method was similar.

The two best ways to gain the attention of the spirits is to give them attention, and deny yourself something in their honor. This is part of why fasting works as a spiritual practice.

In order to make your system work for you you'll have to tailor it to yourself of course, but you'll also have to take it seriously and abide by it to see if it is working. If elements of your system aren't working for you eliminate them or replace them as needed, but do honestly try to establish whether or not something works for you. As with anything it takes dedication and discipline so don't be wishy-washy


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