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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#23803974 - 11/05/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have a choice to buy a car, cheap or expensive. It's your right to not have a car and the all the things that come along with it. There is no tax for people that choose not have one.
Healthcare on the other hand... You can't justify liking your own healthcare to prop up a system that hurts more than it helps. There are a few good things in the Obamacare that make sense, like pre-existing conditions and allowing peoples kids to stay on their plan until they are 26. That's about it. The other 2000 pages of the law aren't worth the paper to wipe our ass with.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: daytripper05]
#23803984 - 11/05/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you read it all? or did you just have someone grok it for you, then you battened down the hatches?
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804003 - 11/05/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No matter what happens it will still be the same shit country is too big and rich to give us any good services anymore
so vote for hilary and watch your doctors office get a little browner or vote for trump and make the country look like a walmart parking lot
either way you lose
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: Konyap] 1
#23804013 - 11/05/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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harumph! except the winners, that is!
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: daytripper05] 1
#23804032 - 11/05/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: You have a choice to buy a car, cheap or expensive. It's your right to not have a car and the all the things that come along with it. There is no tax for people that choose not have one.
Healthcare on the other hand... You can't justify liking your own healthcare to prop up a system that hurts more than it helps. There are a few good things in the Obamacare that make sense, like pre-existing conditions and allowing peoples kids to stay on their plan until they are 26. That's about it. The other 2000 pages of the law aren't worth the paper to wipe our ass with.
No the taxes for people without health care gets thrown onto the taxes of working people when they go to the hospital and don't pay their bill. That is a huge problem so people need to be insured.
Is it a scam? Sure, but so ain't everything else these days. I hope the people who want the right to go uninsured will show up with loads of cash when they get injured, or just do everyone a favor and just die.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: Konyap]
#23804058 - 11/05/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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so vote for hilary and watch your doctors office get a little browner or vote for trump and make the country look like a walmart parking lot
The fact that people actually think like this is everything that's wrong with this fucking country, but that's what you get when a large portion starts getting their news from comedy shows
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804085 - 11/05/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you read it all? or did you just have someone grok it for you, then you battened down the hatches?
Of course I didn't read it all, and neither any of Democrats that voted for it. I don't know what point you are trying to make, but it's not a good one. But I don't have to read the letter of the law to read the reports of massive hikes in premiums and deductibles being reporting be millions of people.
When the law gets so cryptic that even the people writing the laws can interpret it in different ways, we know we have a massive problem in our government and society. A common sense approach to legislation is using the common language to write sensible laws that can be defined in a document that can be read by anyone. The politicians now are writing these complex laws because that's how they keep their job. It doesn't actually help the American people as we are seeing with massive hikes in increased healthcare costs.
You guys literally continually point the finger at Republicans for everything but refuse to criticize anything Democratic party is doing. The John Baner's, Mitch McConnels', Pauls Ryan's of the Republican party are all political hacks just as much the Nancy Pelosi's, Harry Reid's, and Elizabeth Warren's. You can throw the Bush's, Clinton's, and the Obama's in the same group of cronies as far as I'm concerned. It's been one political machine after another for decades and nothing gets accomplished.
The difference is I, along with other libertarians and true conservatives, am willing to criticize them all equally. The political establishment has been failing us for over 20 years. I would say longer, but I am only 30, and can't speak to the past. But the older I get, the more I realize that the political machine isn't doing us a bit of good.
You can guys can post news sources, this or that. But I read 100's of articles a week and I make my own analysis, and l know for certain the politicians aren't doing us any favors. And growing the government and giving it more power isn't going to solve our problems. The same gov that has a massively failed drug war. The same gov that incarcerates it sown people at a higher rater than any other nation in the world. That's not the one I stand for.
One thing for sure, Hillary is the epitome of big government and more of the same bullshit we've had for 30 years.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23804090 - 11/05/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Trump has been right about a lot,

his insights were obvious to everyone, though. people just needed confirmation with evidence...no surprise there.
everyone knew there'd be collusion against Sanders, merely on the precedent of how much opposition he had to fight against concerning the PAC contributions.
just exactly the thing a leftist, 'progressive' hillary supporter would say
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: daytripper05]
#23804104 - 11/05/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: And growing the government and giving it more power isn't going to solve our problems.
If you expect problems to go away by getting the government out of the picture, you need a history lesson.
The government is fucked up because people don't hold politicians accountable, and don't make informed decisions.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#23804126 - 11/05/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah that comment doesn't make any sense and provides no specific as to which part of human history I seem to be missing.
Obviously we don't hold politicians accountable, otherwise at the very least Hillary's case(s) would have been allowed to go to a grand jury, where people get to actually see the evidence accumulated against her to make an informed decision as to whether or not to indict her. Instead, it's political theatrics at best to ensure she gets the White House so they can continue to cover up their own scandals. Yeah that makes sense...
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23804180 - 11/05/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: You need to get a job and stop sucking at the government's teat you lazy ingrate. Obamacare was great. I payed for nothing. Private insurance sucks.
I have a job at capital one that's how I get my insurance. Git gud niglet.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: daytripper05]
#23804189 - 11/05/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: You have a choice to buy a car, cheap or expensive. It's your right to not have a car and the all the things that come along with it. There is no tax for people that choose not have one.
Healthcare on the other hand... You can't justify liking your own healthcare to prop up a system that hurts more than it helps. There are a few good things in the Obamacare that make sense, like pre-existing conditions and allowing peoples kids to stay on their plan until they are 26. That's about it. The other 2000 pages of the law aren't worth the paper to wipe our ass with.
You really don't though. Because the ironic thing is that you need your car to get to your job so you can pay for your car and rent and healthcare and bills. The only time it's a "choice" to have a car is if you live in a metropolitan city with good public transportation.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: JustForToday]
#23804196 - 11/05/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I don't have to read the letter of the law to read the reports of massive hikes in premiums and deductibles being reporting be millions of people.
so what about the hikes?
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just exactly the thing a leftist, 'progressive' hillary supporter would say
that everyone knew the DNC would collude with Clinton because Sanders had no PAC support and at the same time wanted money out of politics, while Hillary and her supporters didn't want money out, and didn't lack support from PAC donations?
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: Crystal G]
#23804210 - 11/05/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, you really do... Nobody is forcing anyone to have a car. Totally off the point, but ironically I don't have a car right now actually, first time since I was 16. I sold it when I moved to CO recently. I don't live in a metropolitan area. I work from home. I don't need a car. I also don't have healthcare, and I said said "fuck you" to the IRS and didn't pay bullshit "tax" (fine) for not having it.
I don't see the point you are trying to make. I don't see why anyone should have to tell me to get healthcare. But somehow we are talking about a car...
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: akira_akuma]
#23804224 - 11/05/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can guys can post news sources, this or that. But I read 100's of articles a week and I make my own analysis, and l know for certain the politicians aren't doing us any favors.
us guys? dude...i am not posting any news sources to convince you that Hillary isn't a shit hawk... i only posted that you have no evidence that Sanders was given the money he used to buy that home...and you, however, have not given any evidence that he was, still. i know politicians are shit...that's why Trump, when he is turned politician, will be subject to the same scrutiny as everyone else, by anyone with a brain in their skull.
but the point is Sanders wasn't given any money by Clinton, all the evidence points to the fact that him and his wife afforded themselves it by selling their other residence. this is not tacit support for Clinton...to think so would be quite mad, and seeing things where there is nothing.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: daytripper05]
#23804240 - 11/05/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: Yeah that comment doesn't make any sense and provides no specific as to which part of human history I seem to be missing.
Any point where a law or government agency was introduced to solve some problem...
Here's a quote from another thread on the same subject
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People and especially businesses, cannot govern themselves, this has been demonstrated time and again. The BLM and USDA exist because of the insane practices of ranchers and etc private interests. Then we have child labor laws and protections for disabled people (etc).
Libertarianism is a move away from the government having a hand, in a fundamentally run libertarian government there wouldn't be a BLM or USDA, so we would see the timber industry tear down whole states worth of lumber again, ranchers overgrazing and increasing soil degradation / desertification on an equal scale, etc. We also wouldn't have laws keeping children out of sweat factories, or those laws protecting gays/disabled etc, which exist for a reason.
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Obviously we don't hold politicians accountable, otherwise at the very least Hillary's case(s) would have been allowed to go to a grand jury, where people get to actually see the evidence accumulated against her to make an informed decision as to whether or not to indict her. Instead, it's political theatrics at best to ensure she gets the White House so they can continue to cover up their own scandals. Yeah that makes sense...
One example of many, but we agree on that much.
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23804244 - 11/05/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: Worse than the Obamacare fiasco is how he sidestepped congress and the senate with an executive order, undermining the checks and balances system completely. I know he's not the first president to issue an executive order, but the manner in which he did it sets a dangerous precedent.
what the hell are you even talking about?
I was hoping you would know, pris 
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#23804253 - 11/05/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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trump doesnt' beleive in global warming one reason I'm not voting for him either
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: Konyap]
#23804259 - 11/05/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: trump doesnt' beleive in global warming one reason I'm not voting for him either
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Re: Donald Trump was right about one thing [Re: JustForToday]
#23804302 - 11/05/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: You need to get a job and stop sucking at the government's teat you lazy ingrate. Obamacare was great. I payed for nothing. Private insurance sucks.
I have a job at capital one that's how I get my insurance. Git gud niglet.
Ask for a raise then if they aren't paying you enough to get health insurance. Get payed not dismayed bitchlet.
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