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Coir Tek: Top layer or no?
    #23800762 - 11/04/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The last coir tek I perused recommended saving a bit of the substrate mixture aside from mixing with the spawn, and then spread the remainder as a top layer over the mixed spawn/substrate.

Anyone with experience with both methods, do you think this top layer is beneficial or is it better to just mix it all up evenly?

I've only done a top layer once, and I'm leaning towards just mix it all together, but curious what folks with more experience both ways think.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: oppsicle]
    #23800928 - 11/04/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just mix


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23800993 - 11/04/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I do the top layer. Either way is fine.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: freespeech]
    #23802452 - 11/05/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've done both ways.  I honestly haven't tested this enough to notice a difference. 

I like to put a little over the top of any exposed grain though.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23802507 - 11/05/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I just mix



:whathesaid: cubes don't need a casing.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: 2shoes]
    #23802546 - 11/05/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Top layer is how large_dose outlined his monos. I've used a 1/4inch casing applied at spawning and fruited, the upside to that is there is less steps (taping holes, removing tape) and no need to do anything at all until harvest about two weeks later.

I wouldn't bother applying an extremely thin casing at spawning, I'd either to 1/4in or no casing

No casing obviously works fine too, just got to manage fae better than a tub with a casing. The idea of monos to be set and forget makes me like the casing at spawning. But I know both work fine.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23802561 - 11/05/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Im lazy, use spores and also find the casing gets embedded in the base of the mushroom which is why I don't case, fruit at spawning and use tubs off the shelf (no holes or poly)

Cubes are very hardy and forgiving proper prep is the "hardest" part.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: 2shoes]
    #23803142 - 11/05/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We're not talking about a casing here. We're talking about a thin layer of substrate material at spawning time, which gets fully colonized during the spawn run.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: freespeech]
    #23803310 - 11/05/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What's the point? A pre casing casing?! Making it more complicated than it should be.

If its cube spawn I vote mix it all up and fruit.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: 2shoes]
    #23803330 - 11/05/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i only add a 'top layer' to cover exposed grains/even out the substrate.

it IS NOT a casing layer. those are two different things.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: mushboy]
    #23803428 - 11/05/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I add a top layer.  I get better results than just mixing, which I did for years before


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: mushboy]
    #23803440 - 11/05/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like a waste of time, but I'm sure a half ass case at spawning would work though.

Mix spawn with bulk
Pour into bag that will be used as liner
Spread until surface is even/level
Cut bag at substrate level
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All can be done in the same day with no colonization time.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: 2shoes] * 1
    #23803467 - 11/05/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't use a top layer. I get faster time to pinning I feel and more even pinsets. Goes to show do what works for you. Or pick someone to be your shroomery boyfriend and listen to what they tell you to do


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: 2shoes]
    #23803601 - 11/05/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What's the point? A pre casing casing?! Making it more complicated than it should be.

If its cube spawn I vote mix it all up and fruit.




Two casings? Not ideal at all. You can put a top layer covering your mixed substrate and spawn. I think it works pretty well myself.

Or you can case at 100% colonization. I find benefits to casings, and I'll not likely stop using that top layer. It really depends on your environmental conditions too. What I like about a casing, is I can dial up the FAE a bit more without losing too much moisture.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23803643 - 11/05/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't use a top layer. I get faster time to pinning I feel and more even pinsets. Goes to show do what works for you.




this is my experience with top layers as well.

the thought of exposed grains drying out in a taped up monotub is pretty far fetched, it wont happen.
cant really see it being a problem in trays covered with alu foil either but I dont have as much exp with that as monos.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23803648 - 11/05/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That is the case if you're taping up the tub for colonization. But if you're fruiting at spawning, you'll need that top layer.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23803683 - 11/05/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

dont you want a proper casing layer for that? a top layer is usually very thin in comparison. its just to avoid exposed grains.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23803715 - 11/05/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well, that'd be optimal for sure. In Azur's thread about it, he made a CVG casing for his hpoo tubs. He put a thicker layer down and fruited at spawning. I'd say if you do that, a good 1/4"-1/2" is what you'd want.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: dankington]
    #23803730 - 11/05/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That is the case if you're taping up the tub for colonization. But if you're fruiting at spawning, you'll need that top layer.




Mine have done just fine going straight into fruiting without any top layers or casing but for my unmodified tubs (lid flipped over) misting is required. After first flush dunk and repeat.


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Re: Coir Tek: Top layer or no? [Re: dankington] * 1
    #23803758 - 11/05/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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well, that'd be optimal for sure. In Azur's thread about it, he made a CVG casing for his hpoo tubs. He put a thicker layer down and fruited at spawning. I'd say if you do that, a good 1/4"-1/2" is what you'd want.




oh yeah, proper casing as in proper depth, not necessarily peat not coir casings.
my climate is so dry I need a layer that stays un-colonized until pinset starts or else the myc growing through that top layer dries up way too quick. easier to keep a casing layer hydrated than the myc.


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