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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23801589 - 11/04/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

wonder how it would do in acetic acid


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23801782 - 11/04/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That is what has always kept me away from lemon tek, chugging chunky lemon juice. I like really sour stuff, but the mush gunk :barf:




That's why I grind them down as fine as possible and then add more juice to make a big glass of it. It's not chunk at that point, mainly liquid. I know some people just chug down the chunky mixture, but I'd probably puke doing that.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: fractaloctopus]
    #23801887 - 11/04/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh I assumed it would be hard to keep it suspended in solution and just all go to the bottom.

That sounds awesome, just a lemonade tea mixture in the end. Me and the old lady will have to try this.

I've read that this will potentiate the effects quite a bit, will have to start small. The shorter duration might be nice too.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23802110 - 11/04/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I still got nausea with lemon-tek. Last year there was a guy on here who swore that not lemon juice, but lemon essential oil got rid of mushroom nausea and anxiety. Something about certain receptors being blocked. I think he said that a dozen or so drops taken with the mushrooms worked.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23802124 - 11/04/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
Oh I assumed it would be hard to keep it suspended in solution and just all go to the bottom.

That sounds awesome, just a lemonade tea mixture in the end. Me and the old lady will have to try this.

I've read that this will potentiate the effects quite a bit, will have to start small. The shorter duration might be nice too.




It will of course precipitate out, but just give it a good swirl before drinking it and it's fine.

As for the potentiation... I personally don't find it does. My opinion on it is that while it might make more active goodies available, it's moreso the rapid onset that "tricks" people into thinking they're getting higher than expected. Especially the first time when having the comeup reduced from 45 minutes to 10 can be completely overwhelming. But there are others on here that swear lemontek doubles or triples the effective dose so your own mileage and perception may vary. I would suggest not diving too deep for your first lemontek though either way. The shorter duration is rather nice though.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: fractaloctopus]
    #23802129 - 11/04/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That fast onset is really going to be weird. So accustomed to it slowly inkling in.

Thanks to you and everybody in the thread for the input, :grin: my future trips and the trips of the people I advise will be all the brighter for it :bliss:


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23802146 - 11/04/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That potentiation - if it is that - can be explained if it makes more actives bioavailable .  I say that because studies show about 50% of the actives is passed unused in the urine (mostly as metabolic byproducts IIRC - not breakdown products of psilocin but deactivated - there are threads about this somewhere) so any method that actually improved the uptake would be read as an increase in potency

Definitely faster comeup though and I really prefer that - 10-15 minutes to the start and 30 minutes to peaking makes for great intensity...  Once I started doing the acidified tea I've never done it any other way TBH.

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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #23802177 - 11/04/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Really 50 percent?  I'd never heard that, interesting.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23802201 - 11/04/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I believe that most of the body-load comes from psilocybin itself, rather than mushroom material. I don't really notice much of a difference between tea and dried material. That being said, I usually don't get that sick to begin with. I do get wicked farts on the come-down though...


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Matai]
    #23802390 - 11/05/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When I do the "LemonTek" I cover my powder with lemonjuice for 30min, then I fill up the jar with orangejuice to get rid of the strong lemon taste.

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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23802737 - 11/05/16 08:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, OP. I just noticed this thread because it's kind of similar to another thread I just posted in.

This is what I wrote in that thread:

"There are a few ways in which mushrooms can cause nausea.

The first is due to chitin, an indigestible substance that makes up the cell walls of the mushroom. Because your stomach can't break it down, some people experience gastrointestinal discomfort when they eat mushrooms. You can avoid this by making a tea, and straining out and discarding the mushroom pulp.

The second is due to the psilocin and psilocybin binding to and activating serotonin receptors in your gastrointestinal tract. This can be avoided by taking a substance which bonds more readily and strongly to those same receptor sites. The two most common ones that I'm aware of are fresh ginger and lemon essential oil, which both contain the same active ingredient, though lemon essential oil contains it in a much greater amount.

The third is due to hallucinations that affect your perception of information coming from your vestibular system, the sensory system that your body uses to maintain balance and coordinate motor function. This is the least likely, and some people are more prone to it than others, the type of people who typically experience things like motion sickness. You can combat this with something like dramamine or a small dose of benadryl, but I would only recommend you do this if you feel you need to, as those types of medications can dull your trip somewhat."


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: healing]
    #23802977 - 11/05/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks! Hadn't thought about motion sickness, would have to be quite the hallucination to trigger that.

I'm gonna have to buy me some lemon oil.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #23803199 - 11/05/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Found a couple patches of amanita muscaria today! :awedance: pretty sure anyway.

Thinking about making your tincture up pandemoon, I've never tried them. The only other method of ingestion that sounded good was cooking up a small amount like a gourmet mushroom, or possibly making a tea.

Think its a dream enhancer if I remember right? I know we've probably had this convo before pandemoon but its been a while


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23803213 - 11/05/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

any good ways to get potential bug inhabitants to vacate before drying other than sunlight? sure aint sunny here.

Maybe a real low setting in the dehydrator. I've heard one guy say soak them in salt water or something like that


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23803228 - 11/05/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

actually, they're right on a fairly main road, don't some amanita species accumulate heavy metals?


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23803295 - 11/05/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

ALL psychedelics can cause nausea if you take them orally.

They activate serotonin receptors in your gut.

For me mushroom nausea is totally random. I might get it really bad or i might not get it at all.

If you want to get through the come up quickly which is where the nausea and tension generally is for people. Then i suggest that you try lemon teking. It converts the psilocybin into psilocin. Psilocin is the acctual active compound so you dont have to wait for your body to metabolize it. It goes to the brain and body faster. The comeup is very short but can still be very intesne. The trip will be a little shorter too.

Also things like ginger have compounds in them that bind to the receptors in your gut so if you drink ginger tea before taking shrooms many of the receptors will be already in use and they will not be activated by the psychedelic. Or even an endogenous nauseating compound.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23803516 - 11/05/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They should leave with the heat from the dehydrator. I'm not sure about the heavy metals. You could probably make tea or do an extraction safely and leave the heavy metals behind, I would assume they are not water soluble, but I don't know that for sure.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: krypto2000]
    #23803529 - 11/05/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It depends on the specific compounds. Many highly toxic heavy metal compounds are very water soluble, and those aren't the only concern. There's all kinds of different toxic compounds that are put out by cars.

I would personally just play it safe. If you're not in desperate need of an amanita experience, don't risk it.


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Re: How to completely remove mushroom nausea, thoughts [Re: healing]
    #23803544 - 11/05/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah its not worth the risk just for amanitas you're right, I'll head out into the country


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