Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8  [ show all ]
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
BASHO - Trump vs Hillary
    #23799835 - 11/04/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the philosophy behind Basho threads



Rikishi!
Fight Honorably!
Go!


.
BASHO - Trump vs Hillary
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (11/03/16 09:41 PM) to (No end specified)
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23799838 - 11/04/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In the dohyƍ:
NOTHING OF THIS:






INSTEAD:
HONORABLE FIGHTING
HARD DEBATE ENCOURAGED
BUT! HONORABLY!
GO!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23799870 - 11/04/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My vote is for Hillary because I consider her the lesser evil. The biggest burden the US bears is the stranglehold of the 1% over the 99%. Both these candidates are the 1% but Hillary appears to possess a greater degree of sophistication and if that falls short she has a not too shabby ex president husband to fall back on.

Trump is a shark.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSanguin3
Optimist

Registered: 10/19/13
Posts: 2,273
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary *DELETED* [Re: Asante] * 2
    #23799873 - 11/04/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Post deleted by Sanguin3

Reason for deletion: .


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23799880 - 11/04/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
My vote is for Hillary because I consider her the lesser evil. The biggest burden the US bears is the stranglehold of the 1% over the 99%. Both these candidates are the 1% but Hillary appears to possess a greater degree of sophistication and if that falls short she has a not too shabby ex president husband to fall back on.

Trump is a shark.





maybe we should just put the head of the mafia in the oval office, they're on the
same level as hillary. you seem to favor sophistication over honesty and loyalty

"she use purdy werds, make her prezdent"


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23799894 - 11/04/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23799900 - 11/04/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hillary most certainly is part of the political power mafia, but Trump is part of the corporate power mafia.

Hillary embodies all whats wrong with American politics, TRump embodies all thats wrong with American culture.

:samurai:


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineWebster10
Up like Trump
Male


Registered: 12/03/13
Posts: 9,966
Loc: Strawberry Fields Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante] * 4
    #23799910 - 11/04/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Stop talking like you know anything about American culture. Trump represents the strong side of our culture. I'm glad he's anti-PC. Our country is becoming so pussified.


--------------------
:leaf: :usa:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Webster10]
    #23799933 - 11/04/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes the outsider has the better perspective.

Trump is the rump of America. The ass end of the elephant. Going bankrupt and defaulting on your debts is hardly a viable business strategy. Oh, and where are those tax returns?


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23799950 - 11/04/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Sometimes the outsider has the better perspective.

Trump is the rump of America. The ass end of the elephant. Going bankrupt and defaulting on your debts is hardly a viable business strategy. Oh, and where are those tax returns?




Actually bankruptcy is a tool for business and individuals alike to restructure debt and/or get rid of debt to keep a business or individual solvent.

97% of bankruptcies are individual, not business, and of those most are filed due to medical bills. Do you oppose all of these as well?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6887642

And no one cares about his tax returns, if there was anything illegal in them, the IRS would have already filed charges.


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineWebster10
Up like Trump
Male


Registered: 12/03/13
Posts: 9,966
Loc: Strawberry Fields Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23799965 - 11/04/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Sometimes the outsider has the better perspective.

Trump is the rump of America. The ass end of the elephant. Going bankrupt and defaulting on your debts is hardly a viable business strategy. Oh, and where are those tax returns?



You know, sometimes outsiders do have a better perspective, but if you're still fixated on Trump's bankruptcys and tax returns, you're hopeless. Asante, look up, "#spiritcooking" it should set off the mental alarms for anyone, even you.


--------------------
:leaf: :usa:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Webster10]
    #23799970 - 11/04/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Webster10 said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Sometimes the outsider has the better perspective.

Trump is the rump of America. The ass end of the elephant. Going bankrupt and defaulting on your debts is hardly a viable business strategy. Oh, and where are those tax returns?



You know, sometimes outsiders do have a better perspective, but if you're still fixated on Trump's bankruptcys and tax returns, you're hopeless. Asante, look up, "#spiritcooking" it should set off the mental alarms for anyone, even you.




Sprit cooking is probably the least worrisome thing about the Clinton circle...


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineWebster10
Up like Trump
Male


Registered: 12/03/13
Posts: 9,966
Loc: Strawberry Fields Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23799972 - 11/04/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

From an actual consequential standpoint, yeah, it's nothing compared to the mountain of other scandals. But this is weird voodoo shit. They're a cult. That freaks out uninformed voters and especially minorities.


Edited by Webster10 (11/04/16 08:03 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 12 hours, 20 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Webster10]
    #23800003 - 11/04/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Voter turnout for minorities is already down over 20% this year, bottom line, blacks who voted for Obama are not motivated to vote for Hillary, that's going to hurt her.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThayendanegea
quiet walker
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/20/12
Posts: 7,596
Loc: 7 Lodges Nation Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Webster10]
    #23800021 - 11/04/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bryan Cranston pretty much sums up my feelings about Donald Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37829018


--------------------
Look Deep Into Nature,and Then You Will Understand Everything Better.

Albert Einstein


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23800030 - 11/04/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Thayendanegea said:
Bryan Cranston pretty much sums up my feelings about Donald Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37829018




Do all these celebrities threatening to leave really think people are gonna change their vote "just so they'll stay?"


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 12 hours, 20 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23800040 - 11/04/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, Hollywood people and their political beliefs. :huxleyfacepalm:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleThayendanegea
quiet walker
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/20/12
Posts: 7,596
Loc: 7 Lodges Nation Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23800061 - 11/04/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't give a rats ass where the celebrities lite. He has just put Trump in the exact perspective that he belongs in....Trump has zero substance...he owns nothing, and is an expert at spreading misguided misinformation that has no merit.
The fact checking of his statements since the beginning of his campaign come in at a staggering 79% lies. That means 79% of what he says can either not be substantiated or is an outright lie.

He is a thief, a liar, and a lech  and brags about all three.

All anyone can find on Hillary are these fucking emails that have been made to look like she gave away the codes to the nuclear arsenal. Over and over and over....the same fucking thing. Now, the FBI is in on it ...trying to keep a dem out of office, I suppose maybe because of the supreme court seats that will need to be filled in the near future.

I'll just be glad when this thing is over and hopefully, Trump will just....go away.


--------------------
Look Deep Into Nature,and Then You Will Understand Everything Better.

Albert Einstein


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineWebster10
Up like Trump
Male


Registered: 12/03/13
Posts: 9,966
Loc: Strawberry Fields Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
    #23800070 - 11/04/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That hack is regurtitating the same false narrative that you believe because it's what the citizenry is spoonfed by our corporate media. Do you not realize that?


--------------------
:leaf: :usa:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Thayendanegea] * 2
    #23800091 - 11/04/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Thayendanegea said:
I don't give a rats ass where the celebrities lite. He has just put Trump in the exact perspective that he belongs in....Trump has zero substance...he owns nothing, and is an expert at spreading misguided misinformation that has no merit.
The fact checking of his statements since the beginning of his campaign come in at a staggering 79% lies. That means 79% of what he says can either not be substantiated or is an outright lie.

He is a thief, a liar, and a lech  and brags about all three.

All anyone can find on Hillary are these fucking emails that have been made to look like she gave away the codes to the nuclear arsenal. Over and over and over....the same fucking thing. Now, the FBI is in on it ...trying to keep a dem out of office, I suppose maybe because of the supreme court seats that will need to be filled in the near future.

I'll just be glad when this thing is over and hopefully, Trump will just....go away.




These emails are revealing a level of corruption never before seen, why you aren't concerned over that is shocking actually.

You honestly don't care how corrupt the Hildabeast is because "Trump is a braggadocio"? that's ignorant behind all comprehension


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineWebster10
Up like Trump
Male


Registered: 12/03/13
Posts: 9,966
Loc: Strawberry Fields Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: qman] * 1
    #23800094 - 11/04/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's already hurting her bigly. Democrats are unenthusiastic about Hillary, there is a large switchover of dems voting for trump, he's won the independent vote, he's doing historically well with the minority vote in terms of republicans. He's going to win the following swing states: Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Hanpshire, Iowa, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Wisconsin, and Illinois. Virginia is a toss up.


--------------------
:leaf: :usa:


Edited by Webster10 (11/04/16 08:55 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 12 hours, 20 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
    #23800104 - 11/04/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"Trump will just...go away"

Well, that's the key issue.  His ideas and supporters won't go away regardless of who wins. 

He might still be a huge political force from the sidelines if he loses, his supporters will still have political power.

This isn't like McCain or Romney going away, Trump has been the most powerful political force in recent history, there's no "go away" in this situation.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineConnoisseur

Registered: 05/13/11
Posts: 34,686
Last seen: 5 years, 2 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23800108 - 11/04/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

if i had to pick one i would say trump but im not gonna vote for either IRL


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePrisoner#1
Even Dumber ThanAdvertized!
 User Gallery

Registered: 01/22/03
Posts: 193,665
Loc: Pvt. Pubfag NutSuck
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23800237 - 11/04/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Hillary most certainly is part of the political power mafia, but Trump is part of the corporate power mafia.

Hillary embodies all whats wrong with American politics, TRump embodies all thats wrong with American culture.

:samurai:





false. trump does embody what is wrong with america, he's the response that america
has for what is wrong with america and american politics. hillary clinton embodies
it all, hillary clinton is the devil


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Webster10]
    #23800267 - 11/04/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Webster10 said:
Stop talking like you know anything about American culture. Trump represents the strong side of our culture. I'm glad he's anti-PC. Our country is becoming so pussified.




Arent you like 16?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAstral Pain
Strange

Registered: 11/10/14
Posts: 2,923
Loc: Chicago
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23800269 - 11/04/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hillary clinton is the devil




                     

Wikileaks: Clinton Campaign Chairman Practices Aleister Crowley Black Magic
Menstrual blood, semen and breast milk: Most bizarre Wikileaks revelation yet


http://www.infowars.com/spirit-cooking-clinton-campaign-chairman-invited-to-bizarre-satanic-performance/

MARINA ABRAMOVIC SPIRIT COOKING



--------------------
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out"               
                -Bill Hicks-

__


Edited by Astral Pain (11/04/16 10:42 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23800285 - 11/04/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Webster10 said:
Stop talking like you know anything about American culture. Trump represents the strong side of our culture. I'm glad he's anti-PC. Our country is becoming so pussified.




Arent you like 16?




Attacks the guy for his age, rather than the substance of his comment. This is what the idiocy of the left has devolved into:lol:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23800292 - 11/04/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You are literally the most idiotic person who tries to debate politics here.


And im attacking his "im american so im fluent in political discourse" argument he used to attack OP over, despite Webster just (allegedly) graduating high school.


He was shitting his diaper when Bill was in office. He has no scope.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTipote
petty crook and transvestite
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/11
Posts: 5,410
Loc: UK/France/US
Last seen: 8 months, 19 days
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23800310 - 11/04/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
You are literally the most idiotic person who tries to debate politics here.


And im attacking his "im american so im fluent in political discourse" argument he used to attack OP over, despite Webster just (allegedly) graduating high school.


He was shitting his diaper when Bill was in office. He has no scope.




I second that! Thats why I've got him on ignore. Tis bliss. :grin:


--------------------
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Tipote]
    #23800315 - 11/04/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm on a mission to civilize.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23800322 - 11/04/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
You are literally the most idiotic person who tries to debate politics here.


And im attacking his "im american so im fluent in political discourse" argument he used to attack OP over, despite Webster just (allegedly) graduating high school.


He was shitting his diaper when Bill was in office. He has no scope.



Quote:

Tipote said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
You are literally the most idiotic person who tries to debate politics here.


And im attacking his "im american so im fluent in political discourse" argument he used to attack OP over, despite Webster just (allegedly) graduating high school.


He was shitting his diaper when Bill was in office. He has no scope.




I second that! Thats why I've got him on ignore. Tis bliss. :grin:




Yeah, insults is all you sad little people have, I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't so annoying

***Notice these two claim to love that I'm banned from the political arena, come here to troll me :lol:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23800324 - 11/04/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I'm on a missiom to civilize.




Is trolling the new civilized? You're so transparent


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTipote
petty crook and transvestite
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/11
Posts: 5,410
Loc: UK/France/US
Last seen: 8 months, 19 days
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante] * 2
    #23800326 - 11/04/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

my vote is for hilary, because you haven't given a third choice. Both are fuckwits but anyone with a brain can realise Trump is a grade A bullshit artist and hasn't a clue about most things, Clinton is a corrupt bitch of oligarchs but at least she knows what she is doing.

IRL i voted for jill stein because i dont want to give approval to either Trump or Hilary.


--------------------
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23800328 - 11/04/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not everything is about you, you insecure child.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23800330 - 11/04/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I'm on a missiom to civilize.




Is trolling the new civilized? You're so transparent




Thank you. I make my beliefs well known.

Its hard to see through people when theyre so full of shit.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Tipote]
    #23800335 - 11/04/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Tipote said:
my vote is for hilary, because you haven't given a third choice. Both are fuckwits but anyone with a brain can realise Trump is a grade A bullshit artist and hasn't a clue about most things, Clinton is a corrupt bitch of oligarchs but at least she knows what she is doing.

IRL i voted for jill stein because i dont want to give approval to either Trump or Hilary.




Claims to hate corruption, supports the most corrupt politician ever :lol:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTipote
petty crook and transvestite
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/28/11
Posts: 5,410
Loc: UK/France/US
Last seen: 8 months, 19 days
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23800339 - 11/04/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I'm on a mission to civilize.




i'm past that now, I'm all for deporting him to a facility in Antarctica.

you have the patience of a saint with this one


--------------------
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23800340 - 11/04/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
You are literally the most idiotic person who tries to debate politics here.


And im attacking his "im american so im fluent in political discourse" argument he used to attack OP over, despite Webster just (allegedly) graduating high school.


He was shitting his diaper when Bill was in office. He has no scope.



Quote:

Tipote said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
You are literally the most idiotic person who tries to debate politics here.


And im attacking his "im american so im fluent in political discourse" argument he used to attack OP over, despite Webster just (allegedly) graduating high school.


He was shitting his diaper when Bill was in office. He has no scope.




I second that! Thats why I've got him on ignore. Tis bliss. :grin:




Yeah, insults is all you sad little people have, I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't so annoying

***Notice these two claim to love that I'm banned from the political arena, come here to troll me :lol:




--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23800344 - 11/04/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did you write that shitty tumblr blog post? My god.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTioWWW999
Male


Registered: 08/22/15
Posts: 944
Last seen: 3 years, 11 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23800485 - 11/04/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What this election feels like. MAD


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBurke Dennings
baby merchant

Registered: 11/29/04
Posts: 81,641
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23800496 - 11/04/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante] * 3
    #23800541 - 11/04/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Asante said:
Sometimes the outsider has the better perspective.

Trump is the rump of America. The ass end of the elephant. Going bankrupt and defaulting on your debts is hardly a viable business strategy. Oh, and where are those tax returns?




Maybe you wouldn't see this perspective (as an outsider) if the media wasn't in complete collusion with Hillary. CNN = Clinton News Network. Her power is so overreaching that the same news agency that gave Donald a pass in the primaries (and a ton of free coverage) is now using that to portray the illusion that Hillary is less evil than Donald, because she stands of up woman and Donald is a misogynist.

We learned through Wikileaks that the Clinton campaign used the media to help him win the Republican nomination because she knew she could run complete bullshit, because it's impossible for her to run on substance. She knew (with the help of the media) she could turn this tide into a gender and class war against an elite outspoken high profile capitalist.

Also from Wikileaks, Clinton campaign paid people $1500 to disrupt Trump rallies and incite violence. Wikileaks also revealed Clinton takes money from foreign leaders that persecute homosexuality and infidelity, yet trumps the rights of LGBT and woman daily with the very money used against it.

But Trump is a terrible person though because he hasn't paid federal income tax or released his tax returns, as if releasing tax returns is more important than deleting 33,000 emails AFTER being subpoenaed from congress to turn them over. Oh, and he likes to judge woman by the appearance like 90% of the other heterosexual men out there. At least he doesn't pretend otherwise, unlike Bill Clinton who pretends not to be a actual rapist.

But yeah, Go Hillary! :whatever:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23800598 - 11/04/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

lol burke


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23800615 - 11/04/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

Asante said:
Sometimes the outsider has the better perspective.

Trump is the rump of America. The ass end of the elephant. Going bankrupt and defaulting on your debts is hardly a viable business strategy. Oh, and where are those tax returns?




Maybe you wouldn't see this perspective (as an outsider) if the media wasn't in complete collusion with Hillary. CNN = Clinton News Network. Her power is so overreaching that the same news agency that gave Donald a pass in the primaries (and a ton of free coverage) is now using that to portray the illusion that Hillary is less evil than Donald, because she stands of up woman and Donald is a misogynist.

We learned through Wikileaks that the Clinton campaign used the media to help him win the Republican nomination because she knew she could run complete bullshit, because it's impossible for her to run on substance. She knew (with the help of the media) she could turn this tide into a gender and class war against an elite outspoken high profile capitalist.

Also from Wikileaks, Clinton campaign paid people $1500 to disrupt Trump rallies and incite violence. Wikileaks also revealed Clinton takes money from foreign leaders that persecute homosexuality and infidelity, yet trumps the rights of LGBT and woman daily with the very money used against it.

But Trump is a terrible person though because he hasn't paid federal income tax or released his tax returns, as if releasing tax returns is more important than deleting 33,000 emails AFTER being subpoenaed from congress to turn them over. Oh, and he likes to judge woman by the appearance like 90% of the other heterosexual men out there. At least he doesn't pretend otherwise, unlike Bill Clinton who pretends not to be a actual rapist.

But yeah, Go Hillary! :whatever:




Nailed it!

:justastonishing:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23800685 - 11/04/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I honestly don't get the mantra, "I'm so afraid if Donald Trump becomes president. I'm so afraid he's going to ruin America I have to vote for Hillary".

You know what you get when you vote for Hillary. A vote for Hillary is voting for more pay-for-play politics, political elitism, scandals, and corruption at the highest levels of the government and media. The same woman slandered women accusing Bill of sex crimes, is now puppeteering women making the same claims against Trump. If people want to take the word of women accusing Trump, then they should do the same for the women accusing Bill Clinton of rape and sexual assault.

I can make good and bad arguments against Trump all day long. But literally, I see no positive trait in Hillary being a politician. She literally says anything and everything in attempt to be agreeable to everyone. In the Wikileaks emails, Podesta and all the top Hillary aids all talk about how much bullshit the liberal agenda is, and what they have to say to get elected by the Left, all the while knowing  they will never even vote for their own rhetoric.

Liberals.  :cookiemonster:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineflickedbic
Sojourner
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/21/11
Posts: 4,673
Loc: Fractalic Fabric
Last seen: 17 hours, 39 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23800864 - 11/04/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"Shop for: Toilet paper"

That about sums it up.


Should I vote to POTUS the evil Hillbot (a cold, calculating devil in the pocket of the NWO Rothschilds) or her douchebag cousin, Trump (the comedic relief)?


I don't think so. 

Put a gun to my head, I'd say Trump.  It seems like he may still have a vestige of humanity stuck to his shoe, and so may possibly provide some much needed friction to the plans of the NWO, however slight.


--------------------
Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23800949 - 11/04/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Asante said:
My vote is for Hillary because I consider her the lesser evil. The biggest burden the US bears is the stranglehold of the 1% over the 99%. Both these candidates are the 1% but Hillary appears to possess a greater degree of sophistication and if that falls short she has a not too shabby ex president husband to fall back on.

Trump is a shark.





maybe we should just put the head of the mafia in the oval office, they're on the
same level as hillary. you seem to favor sophistication over honesty and loyalty

"she use purdy werds, make her prezdent"



Trump thinks waterboarding isn't bad enough.

The KKK and nazi white supremisists support him.

Are you saying that the mafia (Hillary) isn't as bad as the nazis (trump)?


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23800958 - 11/04/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You think water boarding is "torture":facepalm:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #23800967 - 11/04/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Deflection at its finest. The KKK's endorsement means nothing for Trump. Waterboard is for terrorists. Whereas Wikileaks shows emails claiming Hillary's team paid $1500 to people to disrupt Trump rallies and insight violence. Trump defends an ideology of "enhanced interrogation tactics" to catch terrorists, whereas Hillary's people actually deployed violence again our own people that she called a "basket of deplorables".

Yup, Trump is the bad guy...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeriously_trippin
Cosmic Guru Ganesh
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/12/13
Posts: 14,473
Last seen: 7 hours, 34 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23801026 - 11/04/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
You think water boarding is "torture":facepalm:



Oh Please if they even started to Waterboard you,you'd fold like a cheap suit if you knew anything worth extracting. Probably piss your pants too.


--------------------
R.I.P
Zombi3, Blue Helix
Modest Mouse
Zappa
Slothie
That Kid With The face
ShLong
Le Canard
split_by_nine
& Big Worm Forever
Etched in the sands of time in the shroomery and ever so beloved and deeply missed by many :heart:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23801054 - 11/04/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

But isnt it just like an upside down water fountain?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23801061 - 11/04/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
I honestly don't get the mantra, "I'm so afraid if Donald Trump becomes president. I'm so afraid he's going to ruin America I have to vote for Hillary".

You know what you get when you vote for Hillary. A vote for Hillary is voting for more pay-for-play politics,



Trump admits to paying off politicians - by the hundreds. And he's a total rip-off artist.

"Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts was a complete disaster. It lost money every year. During Trump’s 13 years as chairman, the company lost $1.1 billion. Trump stock fell from a high of $35 to just 17 cents, wiping out investors.

Trump did just fine, though. He was paid $82 million, Fortune magazine estimated. The publicly traded company even took out loans that were used to pay off some of Trump’s remaining obligations to the banks from when he owned his casinos outright.

The $82 million Trump was paid by the publicly traded company bearing his name should have all been received income tax-free thanks to those NOLs. Thus his mismanagement, and the tax benefits he stripped out of the casino hotels before he sold them to shareholders, made him richer and them poorer.

So while Trump made money at every turn, the banks that lent him money, the workers and small businesses who delivered for Trump, and the investors in his casino company all got stiffed. And while they paid taxes on whatever income they did manage to collect, Trump enjoyed at least $916 million of tax-free income.
"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/03/art-of-the-steal-this-is-how-trump-lost-916m-and-avoided-tax.html


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Edited by endogenous (11/04/16 04:11 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblesudly
Darwin's stagger


Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,812
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23801124 - 11/04/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All I know is that Trump wants to remove regulations on the FDA and EPA if he enters office so that should be enough to scare anyone from every thinking of voting for him.

That said it's a choice between Mussolini and the Joker.


--------------------
I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23801127 - 11/04/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All of which was legal. Trumping admitting all that is a point of honesty. And it's not his fault the politicians are crooked and took the money. He also didn't write any laws. He merely took advantage of them, along with many other people that donate to Hillary's campaign. As long as Trump plays a double standard when he takes office and doesn't accept money, then that's a win for the American people.

Hillary on the other hand has collected close to a half a billion dollars from mostly special interests and foreign donors. FBI just announced both the secretary and the foundation are under criminal investigation. FBI is reporting there is enough evidence to convict, but you have the DOJ Head Loretta Lynch having backdoor deals with Bill Clinton and stalling on taking it to a grand jury and proceeding litigations, despite the evidence submitted from lower ranking FBI officials that actually did investigation.

You can bold your text, underline, italicize it all you want. It just makes it harder to read. It doesn't actually add any substance to your argument.


Edited by daytripper05 (11/04/16 04:45 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: sudly]
    #23801134 - 11/04/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
All I know is that Trump wants to remove regulations on the FDA and EPA if he enters office so that should be enough to scare anyone from every thinking of voting for him.




Both agencies are overreaching and have way to much regulatory power without going through congress or votes of the people. The FDA is ran by Big Pharma and special interests. There is a better way to do the little good they do, but without alphabet soup democracy that suck down tax payer dollars without impunity.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23801197 - 11/04/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
All of which was legal.



Who cares if it's legal to rip people off??? If you want to be a sucker and invest in a rip off artist -- that's your choice.


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23801205 - 11/04/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:
All of which was legal.



Who cares if it's legal to rip people off??? If you want to be a sucker and invest in a rip off artist -- that's your choice.




Is he voting for the Hildabeast?


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23801250 - 11/04/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:
All of which was legal.



Who cares if it's legal to rip people off??? If you want to be a sucker and invest in a rip off artist -- that's your choice.




So the people that write the idiotic laws get a free pass, but the man that just used them is a crook. Yeah, that makes sense...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23801255 - 11/04/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
The difference between conservatives and progressives is, conservatives see a problem with govt and want less of it, progressives see a problem with govt and want more of it.




A conservative is someone who deliberately creates problems in the government in order to then  say "there's problems with the government - so give all the business to me instead".


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepineninja
Dream Weaver
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/17/14
Posts: 12,468
Loc: South Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23801263 - 11/04/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why is nobody questioning(on a forum such as this) the motives off the greatest subscriber to and benefactor from the war on drugs when days out from an election they try to influence it?  Who was behind it and how?


--------------------
Just a fool on the hill.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23801282 - 11/04/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:
All of which was legal.



Who cares if it's legal to rip people off??? If you want to be a sucker and invest in a rip off artist -- that's your choice.




So the people that write the idiotic laws get a free pass, but the man that just used them is a crook. Yeah, that makes sense...



We're not talking about the laws at the moment. We're talking about the crook who ripped people off and whether it's a good idea to invest in someone like that.

You think that Trump is going to change the laws that allowed him to fail and still make money????:facepalm3:

The guy cares nada about anybody but himself. That's who you want to trust????


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Edited by endogenous (11/04/16 05:27 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 12 hours, 20 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #23801293 - 11/04/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

pineninja said:
Why is nobody questioning(on a forum such as this) the motives off the greatest subscriber to and benefactor from the war on drugs when days out from an election they try to influence it?  Who was behind it and how?




Bill Clinton put more people into prison for drugs than any other US President, he even apologized for it recently!

Thanks Bill for ruining tens of millions of lives for no good reason, since you're sorry I guess everything is good for your wife. :rofl2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepineninja
Dream Weaver
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/17/14
Posts: 12,468
Loc: South Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23801298 - 11/04/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's fine but I'm quite sure he wasn't behind the feds latest move and you didn't adress my question.


--------------------
Just a fool on the hill.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 12 hours, 20 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: pineninja]
    #23801313 - 11/04/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

pineninja said:
That's fine but I'm quite sure he wasn't behind the feds latest move and you didn't adress my question.




The elite are behind the "war on drugs" because it's highly profitable for them.  Neither Trump or Clinton intend to change that reality.

"the feds latest move"

Which was?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepineninja
Dream Weaver
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/17/14
Posts: 12,468
Loc: South Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23801324 - 11/04/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The feds have an inherent desire for self protection and have obviously got a preferred winner which is undeniable.

Their "latest move" was to go against the norm and try to directly damage the prospects of a president elect days out from an election.


--------------------
Just a fool on the hill.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23801366 - 11/04/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump did say that he was in favor of legalizing drugs - but he's changed his positions more than a weather vane in a tornado.  Anyone know if he's still saying that? Too bad he can't be trusted at all.


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblesudly
Darwin's stagger


Registered: 01/05/15
Posts: 10,812
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23801544 - 11/04/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

sudly said:
All I know is that Trump wants to remove regulations on the FDA and EPA if he enters office so that should be enough to scare anyone from every thinking of voting for him.




Both agencies are overreaching and have way to much regulatory power without going through congress or votes of the people. The FDA is ran by Big Pharma and special interests. There is a better way to do the little good they do, but without alphabet soup democracy that suck down tax payer dollars without impunity.




Right.. like those regulations on our food that prevent outbreaks of salmonella or the regulations on emissions that prevent us from becoming a smog house like China.

You can get rid of Big Pharma by getting rid of money in politics, you don't have to get rid of important food and pollution regulations to do it.


--------------------
I am whatever Darwin needs me to be.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23801548 - 11/04/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Trump did say that he was in favor of legalizing drugs - but he's changed his positions more than a weather vane in a tornado.  Anyone know if he's still saying that? Too bad he can't be trusted at all.




Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need

Doesn't sound too bad, I'm sure no parent wants to see their children get hooked on heroin or cocaine and if they do, I'm sure they'd like to see them get help


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleArcanum
I'M BACK!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/30/10 Happy 14th Shroomiversary!
Posts: 871
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23801869 - 11/04/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The worst thing Hillary will probably do is continue the status quo. At best, she will use her political expertise to enact some good but otherwise unremarkable policy, if for no other reason than to increase her chances for re-election. She will be lucky to win this election so she cannot afford to not live up to obligations. She isn't the most ethical politician but arguments that she is guilty of willful criminal behavior fail to stand up to scrutiny given a lack of evidence. The Clinton Foundation has done a lot of legitimate good around the world.

Trump is a naval mine from WWI. He could either be harmless and generally incapable of anything other than looking dangerous OR he could legitimately fuck things up for everyone involved. He can't make it through 90 minutes of serious discussion without making a fool of himself. He is no more honest than Hillary Clinton, and his business strategy and overall personality demonstrates a significant lack of care for others' well-being. He is insecure and cannot take jokes or criticism targeted at him without lashing back, yet he naively believes this is a strength. Diplomacy is an extremely important part of maintaining peace, and he cannot even be diplomatic with people who have endorsed him. He is way too receptive and amenable to authoritarian governments and white supremacy movements. He is running on a conservative platform, but has advocated for tax and spending policy that would cut the federal budget while significantly adding to the debt. His tax plan would save his family hundreds of billions of dollars. He believes in Trickle-Down economics. He is arrogant and haughty, yet has accomplished little beyond making money at the expense of others. He has already embarrassed the U.S. on the world stage, and he perpetuates the stereotype that Americans are stupid, egomaniacal, and greedy.

Republicans are stupid for nominating Trump because a reasonable conservative candidate would easily beat Hillary. Democrats are stupid for nominating Hillary because any other reasonable progressive candidate would destroy Trump.

In any case, we will survive. The U.S. is a lot more resilient than people give it credit for. Better luck four/eight years from now.


--------------------
:blankbubble:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23802411 - 11/05/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Trump did say that he was in favor of legalizing drugs - but he's changed his positions more than a weather vane in a tornado.  Anyone know if he's still saying that? Too bad he can't be trusted at all.




Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need

Doesn't sound too bad, I'm sure no parent wants to see their children get hooked on heroin or cocaine and if they do, I'm sure they'd like to see them get help



Well - it seems Trump has switched his position again.

TRUMP WANTS TO RETURN TO MANDATORY MINIMUMS!!!!

This was posted 3 days ago (on 11/2/16):

"While Trump advocates increased border and law enforcement, including a return to now widely discredited mandatory minimum sentencing for drug offenders, Clinton does not include funding for drug enforcement and interdiction efforts in her proposal. Such funding would presumably come through normal appropriations channels.

Instead of a criminal justice crackdown, Clinton vows that her attorney general will issue guidance to the states urging them to emphasize treatment over incarceration for low-level drug offenders. She also supports alternatives to incarceration such as drug courts (as does Trump). But unlike Trump, Clinton makes no call for increased penalties for drug offenders.

Trump provides lip service to prevention, treatment and recovery, but his rhetorical emphasis illuminates his drug policy priorities: more walls, more law enforcement, more drug war prisoners.

There is one area of drug policy where both candidates are largely in agreement, and that is marijuana policy. Both Clinton and Trump have embraced medical marijuana, both say they are inclined to let the states experiment with legalization, but neither has called for marijuana legalization or the repeal of federal pot prohibition.

If Clinton's drug policies can be said to be a continuation of Obama's, Trump's drug policies are more similar to a return to Nixon's. "


http://www.alternet.org/drugs/trumps-dopey-drug-policies


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Edited by endogenous (11/05/16 03:08 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleabltsandwich
JFK = Jelly Donut
Female User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/16/09
Posts: 11,537
Loc: Dildoville
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante]
    #23802420 - 11/05/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand the difference between a BASHO thread and a normal debate thread.  It seems like DT/HC debates are what most of this forum is these days.  I can't wait for the election season and the dust to settle from the ensuing chaos afterward.  This shit's ridiculous.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineflickedbic
Sojourner
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/21/11
Posts: 4,673
Loc: Fractalic Fabric
Last seen: 17 hours, 39 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
    #23802467 - 11/05/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

She isn't the most ethical politician but arguments that she is guilty of willful criminal behavior fail to stand up to scrutiny given a lack of evidence. The Clinton Foundation has done a lot of legitimate good around the world. 




She explicitly asks that a document that was marked classified be un-marked as such and sent anyway.

Willful... http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/01/08/boom-in-newlyreleased-email-hillary-orders-aide-to-strip-classified-marking-n2101680

As for the legitimacy of her foundation:


Quote:


She appears to have used her official powers to do favors for major Clinton Foundation donors.

(...)
Whatever the relevance of the new e-mails to the probe of Clinton’s classified-information transgressions and attempt to destroy thousands of emails, these offenses may pale in comparison with Hillary Clinton’s most audacious violations of law: Crimes that should still be under investigation; crimes that will, in fitting Watergate parlance, be a cancer on the presidency if she manages to win on November 8.

Mrs. Clinton appears to have converted the office of secretary of state into a racketeering enterprise. This would be a violation of the RICO law — the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act of 1971 (codified in the U.S. penal code at sections 1961 et seq.).

Hillary and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, operated the Clinton Foundation. Ostensibly a charity, the foundation was a de facto fraud scheme to monetize Hillary’s power as secretary of state (among other aspects of the Clintons’ political influence). The scheme involved (a) the exchange of political favors, access, and influence for millions of dollars in donations; (b) the circumvention of campaign-finance laws that prohibit political donations by foreign sources; (c) a vehicle for Mrs. Clinton to shield her State Department e-mail communications from public and congressional scrutiny while she and her husband exploited the fundraising potential of her position; and (d) a means for Clinton insiders to receive private-sector compensation and explore lucrative employment opportunities while drawing taxpayer-funded government salaries.

While the foundation did perform some charitable work, this camouflaged the fact that contributions were substantially diverted to pay lavish salaries and underwrite luxury travel for Clinton insiders. Contributions skyrocketed to $126 million in 2009, the year Mrs. Clinton arrived at Foggy Bottom. Breathtaking sums were “donated” by high-rollers and foreign governments that had crucial business before the State Department. Along with those staggering donations came a spike in speaking opportunities and fees for Bill Clinton. Of course, disproportionate payments and gifts to a spouse are common ways of bribing public officials — which is why, for example, high-ranking government officeholders must reveal their spouses’ income and other asset information on their financial-disclosure forms.

While there are other egregious transactions, the most notorious corruption episode of Secretary Clinton’s tenure involves the State Department’s approval of a deal that surrendered fully one-fifth of the United States’ uranium-mining capacity to Vladimir Putin’s anti-American thugocracy in Russia.





Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441573/hillary-clinton-corruption-foundation


--------------------
Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: flickedbic]
    #23802513 - 11/05/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

flickedbic said:
{....}



Trump Has 75 Ongoing Legal Battles -- Which Media Are Ignoring During Their Breathless FBI Letter Coverage
Media have breathlessly covered a new letter from the FBI saying the agency is looking into newly discovered emails surrounding Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s use of a private server as secretary of state. But as outlets continue to obsess over Clinton, they are ignoring the many actual lawsuits and scandals associated with Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/10/31/trump-has-75-ongoing-legal-battles-which-media-are-ignoring-during-their-breathless-fbi-letter/214211

These are a few of the cases being brought against Trump. Some of them could result in felony convictions against Trump.

Trials over Trump University

A jury trial will begin on November 28 in California federal court for one of the three pending class-action lawsuits against him over Trump University. The civil fraud case going to trial alleges the university violated false advertising laws with its programs in Florida, New York, and California for claiming that Trump would handpick instructors and that they would have extensive real estate experience. Students also say they were deceived into maxing out their credit cards to pay for Trump University fees without getting any practical advice in return.

Another case is also pending in California federal court on behalf of all Trump University participants.

The third is in New York state court following a lawsuit filed by New York’s attorney general accusing Trump University of fraud for “repeatedly deceived students into thinking that they were attending a legally chartered ‘university.’” That lawsuit also claims students were misled about the instructors. The university was not in fact accredited, nor was Trump involved in selecting instructors. They instead were given scripts that told them to pretend they had met Trump.

These are civil cases, but there is still the potential for Trump to be held personally liable for fraud.
Sued for allegedly raping a minor

Trump’s lawyers will appear in New York district court on December 16 for a lawsuit claiming that he raped a child, referred to only as “Jane Doe,” when she was 13 in 1994.

Doe’s complaint alleges that Trump and Jeffrey Epstein (the latter a former banker and a sex offender) subjected her to “acts of rape, sexual misconduct, criminal sexual acts, sexual abuse, forcible touching, assault, battery,” and other forms of emotional and physical duress. The instances, it says, took place at a series of parties at Epstein’s residence in New York City. Doe says that during their last alleged encounter, Trump tied her to a bed and then violently raped her in a “savage sexual attack” while she pleaded with him to stop. She says that he told her if she ever spoke publicly about what happened, he would hurt her and her family.

Both Gawker and The Guardian have reported that the case, and a video purporting to outline the claims of what Trump did to Jane Doe, were shopped around to media outlets by a man calling himself Al Taylor. The lawsuit appears to be a refiling of a prior one brought by a woman identified as Katie Johnson. She previously claimed in California court that Trump and Epstein forced her to engage in sex acts with them and made her their “sex slave.” That case was dismissed in May.
Inquiry into Trump Foundation

After extensive reporting by the Washington Post’s David A. Fahrenthold, which uncovered a number of irregular and potentially fraudulent practices at Trump’s charity, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman opened an inquiry into the Trump Foundation. He eventually issued a “notice of violation,” ordering it to cease fundraising activities in the state, which the foundation agreed to do.

Schneiderman’s office is still investigating as to whether the charity is in compliance with state laws, and he could eventually force Trump to return money that he’s already raised for the foundation.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-pending-lawsuits-75a49b1db1ee#.90zae9u15


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineflickedbic
Sojourner
Male User Gallery


Registered: 03/21/11
Posts: 4,673
Loc: Fractalic Fabric
Last seen: 17 hours, 39 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23802618 - 11/05/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Jeffrey Epstein, sounds familiar...

These cousins are worse than the Bush/Kerry cousins.  Again, this is our "free choice".

EDIT: antisemitic flavored political image removed

Quote:

Both Trump And Clinton Went To Jeffrey Epstein's Sex Slave Island.

Both presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and former President Bill Clinton have ties to convicted pedophile and Democratic donor, billionaire Jeffery Epstein and "Sex Slave Island."

Note: President Bill Clinton is not merely the husband of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, either. Bill is currently campaigning for his wife, plus Hillary recently unveiled that Bill with be in charge of “revitalizing the economy” if she were to take office.

It has been uncovered that Clinton, known for his trouble-making libido, has even stronger ties to Epstein than previously reported. As noted by The Free Beacon, “Clinton was aboard the infamous Lolita Express owned by a billionaire pedophile at least 26 times," not the initially reported 11 times.

Fox News reports:

Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls
Official flight logs filed with the Federal Aviation Administration show Clinton traveled on some of the trips with as many as 10 U.S. Secret Service agents. However, on a five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, not a single Secret Service agent is listed.


The Republican presumptive nominee apparently got in on the action, too. Trump’s ties to Epstein — a man Trump once called a “terrific guy” — and Sex Slave Island have been chronicled by The Daily Wire here.

Per The Political Insider, Trump is accused of threatening and raping a 13-year-old girl on the private island. Epstein is also named in the suit for sexual misconduct. The lawsuit accusations have been vehemently denied by the Trump camp, alleging that the filing is a “hoax” and that there is “no evidence” that the plaintiff in question “actually exists.” 

Sex Slave Island, sometimes referred to as “Orgy Island,” (both lovely names), is one deranged place, allegedly rife with solicited sex, often from minors “groomed” by Epstein.

“Terrific guy” Epstein, of course, was convicted for soliciting sex from a minor in 2008; the billionaire served 13 months in prison.

Election 2016: Where both candidates have ties to a convicted pedophile, the Lolita Express and Sex Slave Island.


 
http://www.dailywire.com/news/5749/both-trump-and-clinton-went-jeffrey-epsteins-sex-amanda-prestigiacomo#


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleArcanum
I'M BACK!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/30/10 Happy 14th Shroomiversary!
Posts: 871
Loc: Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: flickedbic]
    #23802929 - 11/05/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

flickedbic said:

She explicitly asks that a document that was marked classified be un-marked as such and sent anyway.




There is no evidence that the email she advised the aide to send non-securely was marked as classified.

Out of tens of thousands of emails from Clinton's private email server, barely 50 actually contained information that was classified at the time the emails were sent. Amazing how everyone wanting to jail Clinton for 50 emails don't seem to care as much about Colin Powell having used a non-secure commercial email system for his entire time as SoS. It's almost as if their outrage is political in nature.

Quote:

As for the legitimacy of her foundation:




Try getting your information from sources that aren't explicitly partisan from time to time.

The Clinton family does not receive any compensation as Clinton Foundation board members. 80 - 90 percent of the Foundation's money goes to charitable organizations.

The Trump Foundation, on the other hand, used it's money to settle lawsuits against Trump and buy giant portraits of himself.


--------------------
:blankbubble:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephio


Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 369
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
    #23803018 - 11/05/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Arcanum said:
The worst thing Hillary will probably do is continue the status quo. At best, she will use her political expertise to enact some good but otherwise unremarkable policy, if for no other reason than to increase her chances for re-election. She will be lucky to win this election so she cannot afford to not live up to obligations. She isn't the most ethical politician but arguments that she is guilty of willful criminal behavior fail to stand up to scrutiny given a lack of evidence. The Clinton Foundation has done a lot of legitimate good around the world.

Trump is a naval mine from WWI. He could either be harmless and generally incapable of anything other than looking dangerous OR he could legitimately fuck things up for everyone involved. He can't make it through 90 minutes of serious discussion without making a fool of himself. He is no more honest than Hillary Clinton, and his business strategy and overall personality demonstrates a significant lack of care for others' well-being. He is insecure and cannot take jokes or criticism targeted at him without lashing back, yet he naively believes this is a strength. Diplomacy is an extremely important part of maintaining peace, and he cannot even be diplomatic with people who have endorsed him. He is way too receptive and amenable to authoritarian governments and white supremacy movements. He is running on a conservative platform, but has advocated for tax and spending policy that would cut the federal budget while significantly adding to the debt. His tax plan would save his family hundreds of billions of dollars. He believes in Trickle-Down economics. He is arrogant and haughty, yet has accomplished little beyond making money at the expense of others. He has already embarrassed the U.S. on the world stage, and he perpetuates the stereotype that Americans are stupid, egomaniacal, and greedy.

Republicans are stupid for nominating Trump because a reasonable conservative candidate would easily beat Hillary. Democrats are stupid for nominating Hillary because any other reasonable progressive candidate would destroy Trump.

In any case, we will survive. The U.S. is a lot more resilient than people give it credit for. Better luck four/eight years from now.




Libya :
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reveal-true-motive-for-libya-intervention/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/clinton-emails-on-libya-e_b_9054182.html

leading to :
http://www.msnbc.com/specials/migrant-crisis/libya
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-16/libya-request-for-arms-to-fight-islamic-state-wins-kerry-support



Syria :
In an e mail dated 31 December 2012, declassified as “case no: F – 2014 – 20439, Doc No. CO5794998”, Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State, wrote [2]:

“It is Iran’s strategic relationship with the Bashar Assad regime that allows Iran to threaten Israel’s security – not through a direct attack but through its allies in Lebanon such as the Hezbollah.”

She then emphasizes that:

“the best way to help Israel is to help the rebellion in Syria that has now lasted for more than a year” (i.e. from 2011). How? By mounting the case that the use of force is a sina qua non to make Bashar Assad fold, so as to endanger his life and that of his family”.  And Clinton concludes: “wrecking Assad would not only be a huge advantage for the security of the State of Israel, but would also go a long way to reducing Israel’s justifiable fear that it will lose its nuclear monopoly”.



http://www.salon.com/2016/10/21/hillary-clinton-admitted-in-2013-that-a-no-fly-zone-would-kill-a-lot-of-syrians-but-still-wants-one/



http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/europe/russia-nuclear-missile-satan-2/

Illegal immigration :
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ms-13-surging-with-influx-of-youths-crossing-border-92-arrested-illegal/article/2606467

I'm not sure you nor anyone who supports Hillary quite understands what 'status quo' really means or leads to...

Suffice to say, if you vote for it you surely will and there's seemingly nothing like a dose of reality get someone beyond their delusions.. Much of Europe is finding that out the had way :
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape


American stupidity worse than terrorism ...


Yeah, status quo looks great.

So, vote as you please....
The way I see it, you're going to get what you deserve.
Just don't claim ignorance when you do indeed get status quo in all its shining glory.
No one is going to buy it...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephio


Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 369
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
    #23803044 - 11/05/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Arcanum said:

The Clinton family does not receive any compensation as Clinton Foundation board members. 80 - 90 percent of the Foundation's money goes to charitable organizations.

The Trump Foundation, on the other hand, used it's money to settle lawsuits against Trump and buy giant portraits of himself.




Reuters good enough?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL

Saudi Arabia: $10-$25 million
Qatar: $1-$5 million
United Arab Emirates: $1-$5 million

According to tax returns filed by the Clinton Foundation, only 5.7% of the funds raised actually went to charitable organizations. The rest went to salaries and benefits for employees and "other expenses."

The Clinton Foundation spent a hair under $91.3 million in 2014, the organization’s IRS filings show. But less than $5.2 million of that went to charitable grants.
That number pales in comparison to the $34.8 million the foundation spent on salaries, compensation and employee benefits.

Another $50.4 million was marked as “other expenses,” while the remaining almost $851K was marked as “professional fundraising expenses.”

Despite taking in an additional $30 million in 2014, the Clinton Foundation spent 40 percent less on charitable grants in 2014 than in 2013. Even as it slashed charitable spending, the foundation increased the amount spent on salaries, employee benefits and compensation by $5 million in 2014. The foundation also spent $5 million more “other expenses” in 2014.

As first reported by The Daily Caller, the IRS launched an investigation into the Clinton Foundation this past July after 64 House Republicans called the foundation a “lawless ‘pay-to-play’ enterprise that has been operating under a cloak of philanthropy for years and should be investigated” in a letter to the IRS, FBI and Federal Trade Commission (FTC).

Yet, you claim 80-90% goes to charitable organizations?

Further, you seem to not understand the motivation behind Charitable foundations... They're tax protected opaque structures of power and and influence.
http://fortune.com/2015/12/02/zuckerberg-charity/

"The bulk of the charitable work lauded by the Clinton Foundation’s boosters — the distribution of drugs to impoverished people in developing countries — is no longer even performed by the Clinton Foundation. Those activities were spun off in 2010 and are now managed by the Clinton Health Access Initiative, a completely separate non-profit organization.”

You have some time yet to remove the veil of ignorance.
If you chose to maintain it, you are doing so knowingly.

In the future and increasingly in the present, there are less and less people who will spoon feed you the truth and it will increasingly become harder to find. Arrogantly proclaiming that you're going to keep towing the line of ignorance hurts no other person more greatly than yourself and dooms your future most of all.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio] * 1
    #23803130 - 11/05/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803176 - 11/05/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?




Exactly, but you still won't vote for him, he said "politically incorrect things" BOOHOO!


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803307 - 11/05/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

His stance on drugs, whatever that may actually be, is irrelevant to my vote.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803317 - 11/05/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
His stance on drugs, whatever that may actually be, is irrelevant to my vote.




Obviously

Trump is the only candidate who can literally actually stand for almost everything everyone can agree on and still be hated just because of the R in front of his name


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803378 - 11/05/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do you even hear yourself


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803389 - 11/05/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Do you even hear yourself





--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803416 - 11/05/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"Wahhh stop with the insults and derailing........you stupid lib, heres an irrelevant meme"


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblezZZz
jesus
I'm a teapot User Gallery

Registered: 12/28/07
Posts: 33,478
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23803422 - 11/05/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



--------------------
https://discord.gg/NHHd5y2Uyv


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803475 - 11/05/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
"Wahhh stop with the insults and derailing........you stupid lib, heres an irrelevant meme"




How many pages we going today?


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleArcanum
I'M BACK!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/30/10 Happy 14th Shroomiversary!
Posts: 871
Loc: Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio]
    #23803515 - 11/05/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phio said:

According to tax returns filed by the Clinton Foundation, only 5.7% of the funds raised actually went to charitable organizations. The rest went to salaries and benefits for employees and "other expenses."

The Clinton Foundation spent a hair under $91.3 million in 2014, the organization’s IRS filings show. But less than $5.2 million of that went to charitable grants.
That number pales in comparison to the $34.8 million the foundation spent on salaries, compensation and employee benefits.

Another $50.4 million was marked as “other expenses,” while the remaining almost $851K was marked as “professional fundraising expenses.”

Despite taking in an additional $30 million in 2014, the Clinton Foundation spent 40 percent less on charitable grants in 2014 than in 2013. Even as it slashed charitable spending, the foundation increased the amount spent on salaries, employee benefits and compensation by $5 million in 2014. The foundation also spent $5 million more “other expenses” in 2014.




Bullshit. More bullshit. Still bullshit. None of the numbers you provided came from the source you cited. The Clinton Foundation received money from other countries, yes. At least 80% of the money went to charitable work, and there's no evidence the suggest otherwise or that said foreign governments received preferential treatment.

"'Although it has ‘foundation’ in its name, the Clinton Foundation is actually a public charity,' Brian Mittendorf, a professor of accounting at Ohio State University’s Fisher College of Business, wrote in the Chronicle of Philanthropy. 'In practical terms, this means both that it relies heavily on donations from the public and that it achieves its mission primarily by using those donations to conduct direct charitable activities, as opposed to providing grants from an endowment. Failure to understand the difference led to the widespread claim (covered by the New York Post, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, and others) that only a small portion of Clinton Foundation spending goes toward charity. While measuring charitable endeavors by the amount of grants awarded may be appropriate for many private foundations, it is not for an organization that acts as a direct service provider like the Clinton Foundation.'" - From the Politifact article sourced above.

Quote:

As first reported by The Daily Caller, the IRS launched an investigation into the Clinton Foundation this past July after 64 House Republicans called the foundation a “lawless ‘pay-to-play’ enterprise that has been operating under a cloak of philanthropy for years and should be investigated” in a letter to the IRS, FBI and Federal Trade Commission (FTC).




Oh, my. I had no idea House Republicans were so interested in finding a reason to indict Hillary Clinton! Surely their actions are motivated strictly by a desire for justice and not generating bad press for their primary political opponent.

Quote:

Further, you seem to not understand the motivation behind Charitable foundations... They're tax protected opaque structures of power and and influence.
http://fortune.com/2015/12/02/zuckerberg-charity/

"The bulk of the charitable work lauded by the Clinton Foundation’s boosters — the distribution of drugs to impoverished people in developing countries — is no longer even performed by the Clinton Foundation. Those activities were spun off in 2010 and are now managed by the Clinton Health Access Initiative, a completely separate non-profit organization.”




The quote about the Clinton Foundation is not in the source you provided. Apparently, it (and the numbers you cited above) came from an article from The Federalist. That's not really an objective source of information, is it? Nice try attempting to slip it in under the disguise of a respectable journalistic agency.

It is correct that the Clinton Foundation does the bulk of its charity through separate initiatives, but these are all funded and run by the Clinton Foundation.

Quote:

You have some time yet to remove the veil of ignorance.
If you chose to maintain it, you are doing so knowingly.

In the future and increasingly in the present, there are less and less people who will spoon feed you the truth and it will increasingly become harder to find. Arrogantly proclaiming that you're going to keep towing the line of ignorance hurts no other person more greatly than yourself and dooms your future most of all.




Oh, give me a break. :facepalm:


--------------------
:blankbubble:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
    #23803528 - 11/05/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If all of what you say is true, then why did the FBI announce it has a LONG running investigation on the Foundation for pay for play allegations among other things. FBI agents actually doing the investigation have said any other person would have already been indicted. Why do you feel the need to protect a person that will literally do nothing for you in office? All her emails have literally indicated what she says in public isn't what she actually intends to do for big donors. These are facts.

The Clinton Foundation has 56 million dollars in staffing/salary costs. Some of their top executives are paid several hundred thousand dollars. They said they would stop taking in foreign money, but they haven't. Your entire argument is moot.

And try using a different sources beside beside the Clinton Foundation and Politifacts, who is notoriously one-sided for the liberal agenda. But yeah, using a link from the Clinton Foundation as a source for your argument just proves as to how ignorant you really are.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803610 - 11/05/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The Clinton foundation was used to launder money for those buying acces to US policy from the then Secretary of State, Hildabeast

This is a fact.


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803613 - 11/05/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thats an opinion.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblePatrickKn
I'm a teapot

Registered: 07/10/11
Posts: 20,564
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803615 - 11/05/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's not an opinion. It's either a fact or a false claim.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23803619 - 11/05/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Its his opinion that the claim is true. If it is true, its unproven.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803621 - 11/05/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
The Clinton foundation was used to launder money for those buying acces to US policy from the then Secretary of State, Hildabeast

This is a fact.




http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/11/clinton-foundation-confirms-unreported-1-million-donation-from-qatar/

Quote:

As the fetid swamp that surrounds Hillary and everything she touches becomes more clear to more Americans, her “charity” has confirmed that it did indeed receive a $1 million “donation” from Qatar while she was Secretary of State.  Qatar, one of the forces involved in toppling Libya’s Muammar el-Qaddafi and a vocal cheerleader for Assad’s ouster over the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, clearly had the same goals that drove Hillary’s time at State . . . and resulted in one of her infamous and chilling cackling outbursts.

Reuters reports:

The Clinton Foundation has confirmed it accepted a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was U.S. secretary of state without informing the State Department, even though she had promised to let the agency review new or significantly increased support from foreign governments.


Qatari officials pledged the money in 2011 to mark the 65th birthday of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton’s husband, and sought to meet the former U.S. president in person the following year to present him the check, according to an email from a foundation official to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign chairman, John Podesta. The email, among thousands hacked from Podesta’s account, was published last month by WikiLeaks.

In 2009, Hillary signed an ethics agreement in order to accept her appointment at State, and part of that agreement required her to disclose to State’s ethics official donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments.

So far, State has not been able to locate any documentation that this “charitable donation” was reported.




Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Thats an opinion.




:lol:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23803622 - 11/05/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Thats an opinion.




The FBI doesn't conduct ongoing months long investigations based on an opinion. That is also a fact.

The Hillary apologists are unbelievable. What you do you guys actually think you will gain with her in office? Lower taxes? More jobs? More obamacare? It's almost as if you guys don't gather any information outside democrat talking points memo and CNN/MSNBC.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803630 - 11/05/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
The Clinton foundation was used to launder money for those buying acces to US policy from the then Secretary of State, Hildabeast

This is a fact.




http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/11/clinton-foundation-confirms-unreported-1-million-donation-from-qatar/

Quote:

As the fetid swamp that surrounds Hillary and everything she touches becomes more clear to more Americans, her “charity” has confirmed that it did indeed receive a $1 million “donation” from Qatar while she was Secretary of State.  Qatar, one of the forces involved in toppling Libya’s Muammar el-Qaddafi and a vocal cheerleader for Assad’s ouster over the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, clearly had the same goals that drove Hillary’s time at State . . . and resulted in one of her infamous and chilling cackling outbursts.

Reuters reports:

The Clinton Foundation has confirmed it accepted a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was U.S. secretary of state without informing the State Department, even though she had promised to let the agency review new or significantly increased support from foreign governments.


Qatari officials pledged the money in 2011 to mark the 65th birthday of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton’s husband, and sought to meet the former U.S. president in person the following year to present him the check, according to an email from a foundation official to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign chairman, John Podesta. The email, among thousands hacked from Podesta’s account, was published last month by WikiLeaks.

In 2009, Hillary signed an ethics agreement in order to accept her appointment at State, and part of that agreement required her to disclose to State’s ethics official donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments.

So far, State has not been able to locate any documentation that this “charitable donation” was reported.




Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Thats an opinion.




:lol:




Your own source says it was a 65th birthday gift for Bill. Moron.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803637 - 11/05/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Theres a huge gap between not reporting a donation and proof that Qatar got preferential treatment in return for that donation.

Besides, its not even like our relationship with Qatar has changed since 2011. But even proving otherwise is still miles away from substantiating your claim.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23803654 - 11/05/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's not even a relevant statement. The only thing you can do is deflect from the actual facts of the case. You are delusional and not even willing to look at the evidence against her. Rather, you are just pandering from one point to the next attempting to deflect the credibility of the argument being made against her.

She deleted 33,000 emails AFTER being subpoenaed from congress. Her foundation is being investigated by the FBI on multiple accounts. It's not just one, but YEARS of taking in foreign money and pay for play scandals.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803670 - 11/05/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

^ none of that is relevant, let alone proof that Clinton Foundation donors received preferential treatment because of their donations.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803679 - 11/05/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How do you know there isn't proof? Are you taking the Foundations word for it? Because some liberal on CNN said so?

The FBI hasn't released their findings. What should be happening is the federal investigators take all their evidence to the DOJ who then makes a case that is presented to a grand jury. The grand jury is suppose to make the decision as to whether or not there should be an indictment. But the DOJ and White House is literally preventing that from happening because of partisan politics. If this was a republican being investigated for felony corruption, bribery, and pay-for-play allegations, their head would be in a noose right now and anyone that says otherwise if full of shit.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803689 - 11/05/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't you know?  All of that is relevant, Hillary made 100 million by starting a charity, forget everything your eyes see, it's all a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803702 - 11/05/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
How do you know there isn't proof?





What a complete shit way of trying to prove your claim correct.


How do you know theres not a Santa Claus?


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleArcanum
I'M BACK!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/30/10 Happy 14th Shroomiversary!
Posts: 871
Loc: Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803710 - 11/05/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
And try using a different sources beside beside the Clinton Foundation and Politifacts, who is notoriously one-sided for the liberal agenda. But yeah, using a link from the Clinton Foundation as a source for your argument just proves as to how ignorant you really are.




The only people who believe Politifact has a notoriously liberal agenda are conservatives who wouldn't know the difference between a fact-check and the ramblings of a crazy person. I sourced the Clinton Foundation's tax documents because the post I was replying to sourced an article that cited them as well but made unsubstantiated conclusions from them. I linked them so people could see for themselves. They are tax documents that are illegal to fabricate but also that the Clinton Foundation is not obligated to release to the public.

Here's a helpful link to help you understand the difference between primary and secondary sources.

Quote:

If all of what you say is true, then why did the FBI announce it has a LONG running investigation on the Foundation for pay for play allegations among other things. FBI agents actually doing the investigation have said any other person would have already been indicted.




The FBI also happens to be investigating Trump for his ties to Russia. Should I go ahead and automatically preclude that Trump is a puppet for Putin and Russian oligarchs despite a lack of concrete evidence?

Quote:

Why do you feel the need to protect a person that will literally do nothing for you in office? All her emails have literally indicated what she says in public isn't what she actually intends to do for big donors. These are facts.



No, no... what you are laying on the table are GOP talking points... taking little, itty-bitty scraps of half-truths and blowing them out of proportion. Make no mistake, if Hillary was running against any person other than Trump, there's a good chance I'd go 3rd Party. I don't hate her, but she's a political liability. I strongly disagree with your assertion that she wouldn't do anything for me, but even if that were true, I'd take nothing over actively making my and the life of everyone else that isn't a wealthy, white, and male worse.

Quote:

The Clinton Foundation has 56 million dollars in staffing/salary costs. Some of their top executives are paid several hundred thousand dollars. They said they would stop taking in foreign money, but they haven't. Your entire argument is moot.




It's funny how you criticize me for the sources I provide and then make claims without providing sources of your own. I'm the ignorant one?! My argument is moot?! :rolleyes: Come on, you can do better than that.

If you'd actually take a look at the Clinton Foundation's tax documents I provided, you'd see that, in 2014, they spent about $34 mil total on "Salaries, Compensation, and Employee benefits." Only about $2.5 mil total went to foundation officers, directors, and trustees, each of which worked an average of 50 hours per week. The rest went to employees and contractors that actually did the charitable work... because, you know, it costs money to employ people.


--------------------
:blankbubble:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803714 - 11/05/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Don't you know?  All of that is relevant, Hillary made 100 million by starting a charity, forget everything your eyes see, it's all a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!




Even if she embezzled 100% of foundation funds, youre still at step 1 of proving your claim.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803732 - 11/05/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Don't you know?  All of that is relevant, Hillary made 100 million by starting a charity, forget everything your eyes see, it's all a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!




Even if she embezzled 100% of foundation funds, youre still at step 1 of proving your claim.




Hitler was never convicted of anything either, remember that when dismissing any claim against the Hildabeast


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeriously_trippin
Cosmic Guru Ganesh
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/12/13
Posts: 14,473
Last seen: 7 hours, 34 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23803735 - 11/05/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In a different post hostile was addressing the FACT that I said he has called liberals stupid and idiots and then said the democrats on this site just call people stupid. I called BS

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Actually I don't, you project all opposition to liberal ideas as that, I actually contribute instead of just hurling insults, you should try it, it's actually fun



Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Do you even hear yourself








And then engages in this


--------------------
R.I.P
Zombi3, Blue Helix
Modest Mouse
Zappa
Slothie
That Kid With The face
ShLong
Le Canard
split_by_nine
& Big Worm Forever
Etched in the sands of time in the shroomery and ever so beloved and deeply missed by many :heart:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23803742 - 11/05/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry you can't follow a conversation,

fact is, he trolls me and I respond in kind

Anyone who can actually read can see that


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803748 - 11/05/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:
How do you know there isn't proof?





What a complete shit way of trying to prove your claim correct.


How do you know theres not a Santa Claus?




Lol, the irony of this statement...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803777 - 11/05/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Don't you know?  All of that is relevant, Hillary made 100 million by starting a charity, forget everything your eyes see, it's all a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!




Even if she embezzled 100% of foundation funds, youre still at step 1 of proving your claim.




Hitler was never convicted of anything either, remember that when dismissing any claim against the Hildabeast




:doublefacepalm:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05] * 2
    #23803781 - 11/05/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:
How do you know there isn't proof?





What a complete shit way of trying to prove your claim correct.


How do you know theres not a Santa Claus?




Lol, the irony of this statement...




What irony?

You dont need to disprove a negative. The burden of proof is on you. And all you have is "well....there might be evidence somewhere."

Until you or someone finds it, dont lecture me on being delusional.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #23803788 - 11/05/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
In a different post hostile was addressing the FACT that I said he has called liberals stupid and idiots and then said the democrats on this site just call people stupid. I called BS

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Actually I don't, you project all opposition to liberal ideas as that, I actually contribute instead of just hurling insults, you should try it, it's actually fun



Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Do you even hear yourself








And then engages in this




He's a walking contradiction. Assuming he can walk.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803828 - 11/05/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Seriously_trippin said:
In a different post hostile was addressing the FACT that I said he has called liberals stupid and idiots and then said the democrats on this site just call people stupid. I called BS

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Actually I don't, you project all opposition to liberal ideas as that, I actually contribute instead of just hurling insults, you should try it, it's actually fun



Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Do you even hear yourself








And then engages in this




He's a walking contradiction. Assuming he can walk.




Trolls gonna keep on trolling

:carlinorgasm:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: flickedbic]
    #23803864 - 11/05/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

flickedbic said:
Jeffrey Epstein, sounds familiar...

These cousins are worse than the Bush/Kerry cousins.  Again, this is our "free choice".

EDIT: antisemitic flavored political image removed

Quote:

Both Trump And Clinton Went To Jeffrey Epstein's Sex Slave Island.



Yes, both Trump and Bill Clinton were alleged to have done it.

But Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Meanwhile Trump and the media are making a big deal about Hillary's emails  while Trump is facing a possible rape conviction AND YOU DON'T HEAR A PEEP ABOUT IT.


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803918 - 11/05/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?



He also wants to BRING BACK MANDATORY MINIMUMS AND GO BACK TO A CRACKDOWN ON PEOPLE LIKE THE SHROOMERY.


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23803933 - 11/05/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?



He also wants to BRING BACK MANDATORY MINIMUMS AND GO BACK TO A CRACKDOWN ON PEOPLE LIKE THE SHROOMERY.




BS, or at least provide a source


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803992 - 11/05/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?



He also wants to BRING BACK MANDATORY MINIMUMS AND GO BACK TO A CRACKDOWN ON PEOPLE LIKE THE SHROOMERY.




BS, or at least provide a source



I already posted a source -- https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23802411#23802411

but here it is again:
"While Trump advocates increased border and law enforcement, including a return to now widely discredited mandatory minimum sentencing for drug offenders, Clinton does not include funding for drug enforcement and interdiction efforts in her proposal. Such funding would presumably come through normal appropriations channels.

Instead of a criminal justice crackdown, Clinton vows that her attorney general will issue guidance to the states urging them to emphasize treatment over incarceration for low-level drug offenders. She also supports alternatives to incarceration such as drug courts (as does Trump). But unlike Trump, Clinton makes no call for increased penalties for drug offenders.

Trump provides lip service to prevention, treatment and recovery, but his rhetorical emphasis illuminates his drug policy priorities: more walls, more law enforcement, more drug war prisoners.

There is one area of drug policy where both candidates are largely in agreement, and that is marijuana policy. Both Clinton and Trump have embraced medical marijuana, both say they are inclined to let the states experiment with legalization, but neither has called for marijuana legalization or the repeal of federal pot prohibition.

If Clinton's drug policies can be said to be a continuation of Obama's, Trump's drug policies are more similar to a return to Nixon's. "


http://www.alternet.org/drugs/trumps-dopey-drug-policies


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23804062 - 11/05/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23804075 - 11/05/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.




His party? You mean the democrats? :lol:

Google Clinton crime stats, if you dare!


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #23804106 - 11/05/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

At this point Hillary can say anything she wants in public, but her emails in private paint a different picture. Which begs the question, which Hillary do we get if she's elected? The Hillary that's been promised to the public, or the Hillary that's been promised to the special interested and her half a billion dollars in donors and special interests.

People give Republicans a bunch of shit for spending money on political campaigns, but Hillary has literally spent a half a billion dollars to slander Trump.

She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSeriously_trippin
Cosmic Guru Ganesh
Male User Gallery


Registered: 07/12/13
Posts: 14,473
Last seen: 7 hours, 34 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23804131 - 11/05/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I feel she would've lost really by a landslide (it's basically 50/50 atm) if it were anyone but trump. Or if trump hadn't said a lot of what he has said


--------------------
R.I.P
Zombi3, Blue Helix
Modest Mouse
Zappa
Slothie
That Kid With The face
ShLong
Le Canard
split_by_nine
& Big Worm Forever
Etched in the sands of time in the shroomery and ever so beloved and deeply missed by many :heart:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23804141 - 11/05/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't agree with that at all. The second Republican choice was Ted Cruz. The last thing we need is the son of a preacher as a president.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804145 - 11/05/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.




His party? You mean the democrats? :lol:

Google Clinton crime stats, if you dare!




If Trump is a democrat why do you advocate his candidacy so vigorously?


Walking contradiction.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23804154 - 11/05/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.




His party? You mean the democrats? :lol:

Google Clinton crime stats, if you dare!




If Trump is a democrat why do you advocate his candidacy so vigorously?


Walking contradiction.




Wow, you really can't follow a conversation :facepalm:

Keep trolling


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804175 - 11/05/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You are a fucking idiot. No point mincing words.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23804185 - 11/05/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:

She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep  Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.



A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Edited by endogenous (11/05/16 06:02 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23804188 - 11/05/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
You are a fucking idiot. No point mincing words.




Yes, let the butt hurt flow, there you have it, more intellectual superiority from T H E E C S T A T I C

Are you having fun trolling?

Does it make you feel tough to belittle people?

:lol:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23804205 - 11/05/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm embarassed for you more than anything.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23804217 - 11/05/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I'm embarassed for you more than anything.





--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23804226 - 11/05/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:

She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep  Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.



A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.




I don't know what this means. But if anything, a Hillary in office is returning to Nixon (watergate) with all the scandals and investigations that will proceed for years to come with the evidence the FBI has and Wikileaks has uncovered. There will be congressional hearings one after another, nothing will get done in office with her there.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephio


Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 369
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
    #23804275 - 11/05/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phio said:
According to tax returns filed by the Clinton Foundation, only 5.7% of the funds raised actually went to charitable organizations. The rest went to salaries and benefits for employees and "other expenses."

The Clinton Foundation spent a hair under $91.3 million in 2014, the organization’s IRS filings show. But less than $5.2 million of that went to charitable grants.
That number pales in comparison to the $34.8 million the foundation spent on salaries, compensation and employee benefits.

Another $50.4 million was marked as “other expenses,” while the remaining almost $851K was marked as “professional fundraising expenses.”

Despite taking in an additional $30 million in 2014, the Clinton Foundation spent 40 percent less on charitable grants in 2014 than in 2013. Even as it slashed charitable spending, the foundation increased the amount spent on salaries, employee benefits and compensation by $5 million in 2014. The foundation also spent $5 million more “other expenses” in 2014.




Quote:

Arcanum said:
Bullshit. More bullshit. Still bullshit. None of the numbers you provided came from the source you cited. The Clinton Foundation received money from other countries, yes. At least 80% of the money went to charitable work, and there's no evidence the suggest otherwise or that said foreign governments received preferential treatment.

Oh, give me a break. :facepalm:





https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf


DIRECT PROGRAM EXPENDITURES : $33 Million
Total Functional expenses : $248 Million
Salaries and Benefits .. the #1 EXPENSE : $95 Million
$33 million/$248 Million = 13%


Edited by phio (11/05/16 07:10 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleArcanum
I'M BACK!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/30/10 Happy 14th Shroomiversary!
Posts: 871
Loc: Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio] * 1
    #23804583 - 11/05/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phio said:
LEARN HOW TO READ A TAX REPORT FILING :
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf


DIRECT PROGRAM EXPENDITURES : $33 Million
Total Functional expenses : $248 Million
Salaries and Benefits .. the #1 EXPENSE : $95 Million
$33 million/$248 Million = 13%

If someone on wallstreet ran a fund like this, they'd be fuckn shot.




I've read through the report, assface. That's why I've repeatedly linked to it in this thread, including in that line of mine you quoted.

For the millionth fucking time, "Salaries and Benefits" includes salaries and benefits for people and contractors actively working in the charitable programs. Since a significant portion of the money the Clinton Foundation handles goes directly to charitable activity, it is not as simple has handing a third party organization millions and leaving it at that. Charities can't rely solely on volunteers... if you want work to be done, you have to pay people to do it. From a legal and pragmatic standpoint, the only expenditures that fall under "overhead" are fundraising costs and management/general expenses which make up $30 million, or 12%, of the Clinton Foundation's total expenses in 2014. The Clintons themselves receive a whopping $0 salary from the foundation.

So why don't you just take your sanctimonious hypocrisy and your smug gifs and shove them up your ass.

Quote:

In some ways I want Hillary to win just so she can bend the lot of you over and fuck you sideways alongside the international monied interest who back her. The only thing that concerns me is the fact that she's an arrogant bitch who doesn't know her limits whom will likely cook off WW3... But i'm sure you have tons of dumbass links to post rebutting that too.




:shake: Well, that's nice. I'm not a spiteful git so I want Hillary to win so Trump doesn't fuck ALL of us, including yourself, sideways, upside-down, and in reverse.


EDIT: I see you edited your post to redact your comments and make yourself look less like an ass. Smart move. :thumbup:


--------------------
:blankbubble:


Edited by Arcanum (11/05/16 08:44 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephio


Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 369
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
    #23804695 - 11/05/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Arcanum said:
Quote:

phio said:
LEARN HOW TO READ A TAX REPORT FILING :
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf


DIRECT PROGRAM EXPENDITURES : $33 Million
Total Functional expenses : $248 Million
Salaries and Benefits .. the #1 EXPENSE : $95 Million
$33 million/$248 Million = 13%

If someone on wallstreet ran a fund like this, they'd be fuckn shot.




I've read through the report, assface. That's why I've repeatedly linked to it in this thread, including in that line of mine you quoted.

For the millionth fucking time, "Salaries and Benefits" includes salaries and benefits for people and contractors actively working in the charitable programs. Since a significant portion of the money the Clinton Foundation handles goes directly to charitable activity, it is not as simple has handing a third party organization millions and leaving it at that. Charities can't rely solely on volunteers... if you want work to be done, you have to pay people to do it. From a legal and pragmatic standpoint, the only expenditures that fall under "overhead" are fundraising costs and management/general expenses which make up $30 million, or 12%, of the Clinton Foundation's total expenses in 2014. The Clintons themselves receive a whopping $0 salary from the foundation.

So why don't you just take your sanctimonious hypocrisy and your smug gifs and shove them up your ass.

Quote:

In some ways I want Hillary to win just so she can bend the lot of you over and fuck you sideways alongside the international monied interest who back her. The only thing that concerns me is the fact that she's an arrogant bitch who doesn't know her limits whom will likely cook off WW3... But i'm sure you have tons of dumbass links to post rebutting that too.




:shake: Well, that's nice. I'm not a spiteful git so I want Hillary win so Trump doesn't fuck ALL of us, including yourself, sideways, upside-down, and in reverse.




Let me yet again unroll this sandwich for you and spoon feed you the details....
IRS Audit Flag :
"any transaction between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue. Such transactions may include assignments of income, compensation arrangements, sales or exchanges of property, commissions, rental arrangements, gifts with retained interests, and contracts to provide goods or services to the organization.”

The burden of proof is on the organization to establish that it is not organized or operated for the benefit of private interests


One of the line item reasons why the Clinton Foundation is under audit is centered on the Salary/Benefits expense. Beyond that is $20 million dollars is travel ... $17 million dollars in consulting, and $14 million dollars in conferences and events.

I know exactly how the foundation is structured. I detailed and referenced the numbers everyone else referenced and the IRS is auditing the salary and benefits portion of the foundation namely due to the level of fraud that can be opaquely hidden there.

Also is the matter of pay to play whereby Hillary gets paid insane fees to 'speak' at an event and then conducts political favors or STEERS THE CLINTON FOUNDATIONS RESOURCES towards the person who paid her millions to have a speech. Or whereby, upon making huge donations to her foundation, Hillary performs political acts.

Thus making the foundation a patent fraud used as a tax haven and a backdoor to political favors. Ask Haiti how the feel about the Clintons... Ask any of the Foundtion's 'helped'.

Maybe because you don't interact in such realms of business, you don't understand the favored way in which the rich conduct business through tax shelters but don't sit there in your ignorance and called me a sanctimonious hypocrite.

I could give two shits who wins this election because at the end of the day its a choice between two clowns who represent clowns. There's nothing unfair about the outcome of a leader who reflects their populous.

I'm not spiteful. However, when you sit there and avert your eyes to the truth that stares you in the face. When you spit on someone who takes out of their time to educate your silly ass and declare their grounded commentary has no basis..
Commentary which aims to help you from not getting fucked having intimate knowledge of how you're getting fucked..

When you sit there and act like a jackass, you're dam right you deserve what's coming to you as do anyone who takes that line.

So, enjoy the election results whether its Donald or Hillary.
You're claiming Hillary hasn't already fucked things sideways. So, if she becomes president, it should be business as usual.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleArcanum
I'M BACK!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/30/10 Happy 14th Shroomiversary!
Posts: 871
Loc: Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio]
    #23805013 - 11/05/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phio said:
Let me yet again unroll this sandwich for you and spoon feed you the details....
IRS Audit Flag :
"any transaction between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue. Such transactions may include assignments of income, compensation arrangements, sales or exchanges of property, commissions, rental arrangements, gifts with retained interests, and contracts to provide goods or services to the organization.”

The burden of proof is on the organization to establish that it is not organized or operated for the benefit of private interests


One of the line item reasons why the Clinton Foundation is under audit is centered on the Salary/Benefits expense. Beyond that is $20 million dollars is travel ... $17 million dollars in consulting, and $14 million dollars in conferences and events.




A massive charity responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars of charitable activity every year all over the world spends $41 million on travel, consultation, and events?! OH MY GOODNESS! It's almost as if the Clinton Foundation has to pay for things like everyone else does!

By the way, the Clinton Foundation isn't actually in the middle of a official IRS audit. It's tax-exempt status is being reviewed because the office doing the review procedurally reviews all non-profits with gross wages greater than $10 mil. Yes, there is a difference.

Quote:

I know exactly how the foundation is structured. I detailed and referenced the numbers everyone else referenced and the IRS is auditing the salary and benefits portion of the foundation namely due to the level of fraud that can be opaquely hidden there.




Keyword: "can be." Restated for emphasis, the IRS isn't auditing the Clinton Foundation.

Quote:

Also is the matter of pay to play whereby Hillary gets paid insane fees to 'speak' at an event and then conducts political favors or STEERS THE CLINTON FOUNDATIONS RESOURCES towards the person who paid her millions to have a speech. Or whereby, upon making huge donations to her foundation, Hillary performs political acts.

Thus making the foundation a patent fraud used as a tax haven and a backdoor to political favors. Ask Haiti how the feel about the Clintons... Ask any of the Foundtion's 'helped'.




The Clinton Foundation itself received $3 million for speeches (Part VIII, item 11a of the tax report). Hillary may have personally benefited from giving speeches too, but guess what... that's not illegal!

Did the Foundation receive money from foreign governments? Yes. Is that illegal? No. Are charities legally required to disclose donors? No. Is there any evidence available that she accepted in return for political favors? No. Does anyone actually care about whether or not the Clinton Foundation has committed any wrong-doing beyond whether or not it will harm Hillary political? NO. NO. NO. Worst case scenario, she pulled some strings in return for a a few millions of dollars in donations to a charity that has objectively done a lot (maybe not all) of real, philanthropic work for people who needed it. Who gives a shit? It's a lot better than using foundation money for little else other than buying self-portraits and settling personal law suits, that's for sure.

Quote:

Maybe because you don't interact in such realms of business, you don't understand the favored way in which the rich conduct business through tax shelters but don't sit there in your ignorance and called me a sanctimonious hypocrite.




I called you a sanctimonious hypocrite for your oh-so-confident and self-righteous comments about how you don't think I know what I'm talking about while greatly misunderstanding of how non-profits report expenses and what constitutes fraud. Clearly you regretted those because they've magically disappeared from your post.

Quote:

I could give two shits who wins this election because at the end of the day its a choice between two clowns who represent clowns. There's nothing unfair about the outcome of a leader who reflects their populous.

I'm not spiteful. However, when you sit there and avert your eyes to the truth that stares you in the face. When you spit on someone who takes out of their time to educate your silly ass and declare their grounded commentary has no basis..
Commentary which aims to help you from not getting fucked having intimate knowledge of how you're getting fucked..

When you sit there and act like a jackass, you're dam right you deserve what's coming to you as do anyone who takes that line.

So, enjoy the election results whether its Donald or Hillary.
You're claiming Hillary hasn't already fucked things sideways. So, if she becomes president, it should be business as usual.




Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, spare me the holier-than-thou routine. Condescension and self-flattery isn't flattering, impressive, or a valid substitute for substantively arguing your point. Literally anyone can claim they're so much smarter and better than everyone else... it doesn't make it true. All it does is telegraph intellectual and emotional immaturity. Especially on top of the naive cynicism thing... man, that's a real one-two punch of the whole "I think I'm a genius because I've realized the world is a lot more complicated than it seemed when I was a child, and even though I inaccurately believe I've uncovered some hidden truth that few else can see, I feel overwhelmed and helplessness when faced with the question of how to solve real world problems so I choose not to care" act. That's okay though, dude. Most people go through a phase like that.


--------------------
:blankbubble:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephio


Registered: 10/07/16
Posts: 369
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
    #23805078 - 11/05/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Arcanum said:



You have made your comments.
I have made mine.

You claim nothing is afoul.
I claim there is something most certainly afoul.

Beyond balance sheets are many things to be explored.
I've presented enough detail for things to be brought into question.
The Foundation is being investigated by the IRS :
http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404
Tax exempt status can be pulled when it is found that they are abusive practices such as
""transactions between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue"
When your payroll is lined and padded and paying people a disproportionate share of benefits (salary,etc) in exchange for the relative charity served , your tax exempt status is revoked. That is what is in question and what I brought focus to.

Quote:

Arcanum said:
Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, spare me the holier-than-thou routine. Condescension and self-flattery isn't flattering, impressive, or a valid substitute for substantively arguing your point. Literally anyone can claim they're so much smarter and better than everyone else... it doesn't make it true. All it does is telegraph intellectual and emotional immaturity. Especially on top of the naive cynicism thing... man, that's a real one-two punch of the whole "I think I'm a genius because I've realized the world is a lot more complicated than it seemed when I was a child, and even though I inaccurately believe I've uncovered some hidden truth that few else can see, I feel overwhelmed and helplessness when faced with the question of how to solve real world problems so I choose not to care" act. That's okay though, dude. Most people go through a phase like that.





P.S - You have no clue who I am or what I do in this world. So, don't claim for a minute that because I stated that the elected is inconsequential that I don't care about this world or have active influence in it. We've exchanged words. You have outlined your stance. Many in this world have. I have outlined something for you to consider. You have adamantly showed your disdain for such perspectives which is noted.

Have a good day


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleArcanum
I'M BACK!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/30/10 Happy 14th Shroomiversary!
Posts: 871
Loc: Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio]
    #23805183 - 11/06/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phio said:
You have made your comments.
I have made mine.

You claim nothing is afoul.
I claim there is something most certainly afoul.

Beyond balance sheets are many things to be explored.
I've presented enough detail for things to be brought into question.
The Foundation is being investigated by the IRS :
http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404
Tax exempt status can be pulled when it is found that they are abusive practices such as
""transactions between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue"
When your payroll is lined and padded and paying people a disproportionate share of benefits (salary,etc) in exchange for the relative charity served , your tax exempt status is revoked. That is what is in question and what I brought focus to.



Right! Their tax exempt status is being reviewed. There is an emphatic difference between that and being investigated for fraud or criminal activity. I mean, if preferential treatment on the part of non-profit organizations was a crime, there would be a shit ton of clergymen in jail right now and churches would be a major source of tax revenue.

I can't say for sure that the Clinton Foundation is completely innocent. All I've said is that there is not enough evidence to justify a presumption of guilt. Given the circumstances, I think it's extraordinarily irresponsible to make such forgone conclusions.


Quote:

P.S - You have no clue who I am or what I do in this world. So, don't claim for a minute that because I stated that the elected is inconsequential that I don't care about this world or have active influence in it. We've exchanged words. You have outlined your stance. Many in this world have. I have outlined something for you to consider. You have adamantly showed your disdain for such perspectives which is noted.

Have a good day




I was a tad harsh, I will admit, but don't pretend you didn't make your own unsubstantiated assumptions about what I know and my perspective. I came here for a mature, reasoned, but spirited debate. You took it upon yourself to presume my stance was unfounded and uneducated and adopted a condescending, arrogant, and rude posture. I defended myself in kind, but you went there first and you know it.

For the record, I am not disdainful of cynical attitudes of any kind. I understand it, and I've been there (in a couple of non-political subjects, I'm still there). I just don't appreciate them because I don't think not caring about important matters (you said you don't care who wins the election) is a practical method of solving important problems, and honestly, they're not wholly justified. Even accounting for ISIS, racial tension, and mass shootings, we are in the middle of the most peaceful era of human civilization. Maybe that depends on what political ideology you subscribe to, but from an empirical standpoint, we really aren't doing any worse than we ever have been. That's largely why a lot of people are so freaked out about Trump. His entire world view is based upon a frightening but inaccurate perception that the world and the U.S. is on the brink of ruin. That's just not true! The "system" is maddening, for sure, but cynics profoundly underestimate how difficult and complex it is to maintain a functioning society. We have problems and they can't be solved with a magic wand, but we can deal with them civilly and systematically. Fear and disenchantment will only make things worse.

You have a good day as well.  :toast:


--------------------
:blankbubble:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23805275 - 11/06/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:

She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep  Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.



A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.




I don't know what this means. But if anything, a Hillary in office is returning to Nixon (watergate) with all the scandals and investigations that will proceed for years to come with the evidence the FBI has and Wikileaks has uncovered. There will be congressional hearings one after another, nothing will get done in office with her there.



Trump has 75 lawsuits against him right now. This used to include a lawsuit by a female who said that Trump raped her when she was 13 years old. She now has dropped the suit because of death threats.

In any case, Trump has alot more scandals possible to endanger him than Clinton. But maybe that's the Republican's plan -- get Trump elected -- then remove him so that Pense can take over.


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Edited by endogenous (11/06/16 01:50 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineendogenous
ڠڀڜ ŚžŚ’Ś™Ś”Ś™Ś Ś•Ś
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/07/12
Posts: 2,365
Last seen: 25 days, 6 hours
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23805284 - 11/06/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:

She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep  Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.



A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.




I don't know what this means.



It means that Trump is talking about going back to the WAR ON DRUGS. He wants to be like Nixon --"tough on crime". He's a "law and order" candidate. He's going to go after illegal substances, like what the  Shroomery is all about, and bring back MANDATORY MINIMUMS which force judges to give long sentences to non-violent people even when they definitely don't want to.

He wants to go back to the days of Nixon's "War on Drugs" so the military industrial complex can make plenty of money and plenty of wars - and like Nixon's people - they think that "hippies" and blacks are preventing that.


--------------------
The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.


Edited by endogenous (11/06/16 01:04 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblevinsue
Grand Old Fart
Male User Gallery


Registered: 02/17/04
Posts: 17,953
Loc: The Garden State(NJ) Flag
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23805374 - 11/06/16 04:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

BASHO - Trump vs Hillary
Users may choose only one (47 total votes)
Trump - 23 49%
Hillary - 24 51%

:whitespy:vs:blackspy: :burke:

:tardpig: . . . :peace:


--------------------

"All mushrooms are edible; but some only once." Croatian proverb. BTW ...
  Have You Rated Ythans Mom Yet ?? ... :taser:  ... HERE'S HOW ... (be nice) .  :mod: ... :peace:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23805484 - 11/06/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Quote:

daytripper05 said:

She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep  Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.



A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.




I don't know what this means.



It means that Trump is talking about going back to the WAR ON DRUGS. He wants to be like Nixon --"tough on crime". He's a "law and order" candidate. He's going to go after illegal substances, like what the  Shroomery is all about, and bring back MANDATORY MINIMUMS which force judges to give long sentences to non-violent people even when they definitely don't want to.

He wants to go back to the days of Nixon's "War on Drugs" so the military industrial complex can make plenty of money and plenty of wars - and like Nixon's people - they think that "hippies" and blacks are preventing that.




:bathtub40lol:


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBill_Oreilly
ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT)


Registered: 11/12/11
Posts: 26,370
Loc: Boston
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23805591 - 11/06/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Quote:

endogenous said:
Trump did say that he was in favor of legalizing drugs - but he's changed his positions more than a weather vane in a tornado.  Anyone know if he's still saying that? Too bad he can't be trusted at all.




Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need

Doesn't sound too bad, I'm sure no parent wants to see their children get hooked on heroin or cocaine and if they do, I'm sure they'd like to see them get help





Havent we learned from Obama and the rest of the presidents that they ALWAYS say they will do something then when they get into office they dont do a damn thing?

It sounds like you are actually putting stock into what these puppets say


--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23805601 - 11/06/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trump has already talked Ford into keeping jobs here, that's also a big part of his platform, he's already doing what he says he will,

All politicians lie to us, TRUMP isn't a politician, that's a big part of his appeal


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleBill_Oreilly
ANIMALS (the RAINBOW SERPENT)


Registered: 11/12/11
Posts: 26,370
Loc: Boston
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23805605 - 11/06/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Trump has already talked Ford into keeping jobs here, that's also a big part of his platform, he's already doing what he says he will,

All politicians lie to us, TRUMP isn't a politician, that's a big part of his appeal





Decent point i guess :shrug:

im still not buying it that hes going to do a damn thing he says. we will find out if he gets in, though


--------------------
Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23805610 - 11/06/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

hostileuniverse said:
Trump has already talked Ford into keeping jobs here, that's also a big part of his platform, he's already doing what he says he will,

All politicians lie to us, TRUMP isn't a politician, that's a big part of his appeal





Decent point i guess :shrug:

im still not buying it that hes going to do a damn thing he says. we will find out if he gets in, though





hopefully we get the chance to

Why do you think so many democrats AND republicans oppose him?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23805636 - 11/06/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nah itll be the media and the libs and the indoctrinating universities and the gay agenda and George Soros' fault if Trump doesnt keep to his campaign promises


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineqman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 12 hours, 20 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23805642 - 11/06/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Nah itll be the media and the libs and the indoctrinating universities and the gay agenda and George Soros' fault if Trump doesnt keep to his campaign promises




I wonder if Trump will get any of the gay vote?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23805646 - 11/06/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Nah itll be the media and the libs and the indoctrinating universities and the gay agenda and George Soros' fault if Trump doesnt keep to his campaign promises




Like O'shithead blamed Fox News and rush Limbaugh for people not liking his idiotic agenda?

That's all he did was cry about how unfair Fox News was to him, I had forgotten about that:lol:

What a whiney little bitch


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,369
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 45 minutes
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: qman]
    #23805648 - 11/06/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Probably a lot more than previous GOP candidates.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledaytripper05
Psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 6,962
Loc: In my garden
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: qman] * 1
    #23805794 - 11/06/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Nah itll be the media and the libs and the indoctrinating universities and the gay agenda and George Soros' fault if Trump doesnt keep to his campaign promises




I wonder if Trump will get any of the gay vote?




I know quite a few LGBT folks voting for trump, fwiw.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinehostileuniverse
Stranger
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/14/15
Posts: 8,602
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23805930 - 11/06/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

daytripper05 said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Nah itll be the media and the libs and the indoctrinating universities and the gay agenda and George Soros' fault if Trump doesnt keep to his campaign promises




I wonder if Trump will get any of the gay vote?




I know quite a few LGBT folks voting for trump, fwiw.




http://www.logcabin.org


--------------------
http://www.countdowntotrump.com





Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Mage
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 86,797
Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23815324 - 11/09/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

TRUMP WINS!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* BASHO - Basho vs Mayhem - The philosophy behind the BASHO threads Asante 374 0 11/04/16 08:25 AM
by Asante
* BASHO - Asante vs Trump
( 1 2 all )
Asante 1,084 39 11/28/16 01:24 AM
by Mad_Larkin
* BASHO - Traditional Weed/Hash or modern cannabis products (iso hash, shatter, oil etc)?
( 1 2 all )
Asante 714 27 04/23/19 05:41 PM
by TheFakeSunRa
* BASHO - Shooms vs Weed
( 1 2 3 all )
Asante 1,663 50 10/26/16 09:52 AM
by Asante
* BASHO - Beer vs Wine Asante 354 10 10/29/16 05:01 PM
by Morel Guy
* BASHO - LSD vs more modern Ergoloids (like AL-LAD, ALD-52 etc) Asante 242 9 04/19/19 09:54 PM
by Mandarinfish
* BASHO - Trick vs Treat Asante 181 2 11/01/16 11:43 AM
by Asante
* Hillary Can't Lose Against Obama TheFakeSunRa 1,077 15 02/13/08 02:52 PM
by ManianFH

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
3,715 topic views. 0 members, 44 guests and 29 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.126 seconds spending 0.028 seconds on 19 queries.