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The Ecstatic said: Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.
His party? You mean the democrats? 
Google Clinton crime stats, if you dare!
If Trump is a democrat why do you advocate his candidacy so vigorously?
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The Ecstatic said: Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.
His party? You mean the democrats? 
Google Clinton crime stats, if you dare!
If Trump is a democrat why do you advocate his candidacy so vigorously?
Walking contradiction.
Wow, you really can't follow a conversation 
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She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.
A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.
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The Ecstatic said: You are a fucking idiot. No point mincing words.
Yes, let the butt hurt flow, there you have it, more intellectual superiority from T H E E C S T A T I C
Are you having fun trolling?
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
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She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.
A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.
I don't know what this means. But if anything, a Hillary in office is returning to Nixon (watergate) with all the scandals and investigations that will proceed for years to come with the evidence the FBI has and Wikileaks has uncovered. There will be congressional hearings one after another, nothing will get done in office with her there.
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
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phio said: According to tax returns filed by the Clinton Foundation, only 5.7% of the funds raised actually went to charitable organizations. The rest went to salaries and benefits for employees and "other expenses."
The Clinton Foundation spent a hair under $91.3 million in 2014, the organization’s IRS filings show. But less than $5.2 million of that went to charitable grants. That number pales in comparison to the $34.8 million the foundation spent on salaries, compensation and employee benefits.
Another $50.4 million was marked as “other expenses,” while the remaining almost $851K was marked as “professional fundraising expenses.”
Despite taking in an additional $30 million in 2014, the Clinton Foundation spent 40 percent less on charitable grants in 2014 than in 2013. Even as it slashed charitable spending, the foundation increased the amount spent on salaries, employee benefits and compensation by $5 million in 2014. The foundation also spent $5 million more “other expenses” in 2014.
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Arcanum said: Bullshit. More bullshit. Still bullshit. None of the numbers you provided came from the source you cited. The Clinton Foundation received money from other countries, yes. At least 80% of the money went to charitable work, and there's no evidence the suggest otherwise or that said foreign governments received preferential treatment.
Oh, give me a break. 
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf
 DIRECT PROGRAM EXPENDITURES : $33 Million Total Functional expenses : $248 Million Salaries and Benefits .. the #1 EXPENSE : $95 Million $33 million/$248 Million = 13%
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio] 1
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phio said: LEARN HOW TO READ A TAX REPORT FILING : https://www.clintonfoundation.org/sites/default/files/clinton_foundation_report_public_2014.pdf
 DIRECT PROGRAM EXPENDITURES : $33 Million Total Functional expenses : $248 Million Salaries and Benefits .. the #1 EXPENSE : $95 Million $33 million/$248 Million = 13%
If someone on wallstreet ran a fund like this, they'd be fuckn shot.
I've read through the report, assface. That's why I've repeatedly linked to it in this thread, including in that line of mine you quoted.
For the millionth fucking time, "Salaries and Benefits" includes salaries and benefits for people and contractors actively working in the charitable programs. Since a significant portion of the money the Clinton Foundation handles goes directly to charitable activity, it is not as simple has handing a third party organization millions and leaving it at that. Charities can't rely solely on volunteers... if you want work to be done, you have to pay people to do it. From a legal and pragmatic standpoint, the only expenditures that fall under "overhead" are fundraising costs and management/general expenses which make up $30 million, or 12%, of the Clinton Foundation's total expenses in 2014. The Clintons themselves receive a whopping $0 salary from the foundation.
So why don't you just take your sanctimonious hypocrisy and your smug gifs and shove them up your ass.
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In some ways I want Hillary to win just so she can bend the lot of you over and fuck you sideways alongside the international monied interest who back her. The only thing that concerns me is the fact that she's an arrogant bitch who doesn't know her limits whom will likely cook off WW3... But i'm sure you have tons of dumbass links to post rebutting that too.
Well, that's nice. I'm not a spiteful git so I want Hillary to win so Trump doesn't fuck ALL of us, including yourself, sideways, upside-down, and in reverse.
EDIT: I see you edited your post to redact your comments and make yourself look less like an ass. Smart move.
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
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 DIRECT PROGRAM EXPENDITURES : $33 Million Total Functional expenses : $248 Million Salaries and Benefits .. the #1 EXPENSE : $95 Million $33 million/$248 Million = 13%
If someone on wallstreet ran a fund like this, they'd be fuckn shot.
I've read through the report, assface. That's why I've repeatedly linked to it in this thread, including in that line of mine you quoted.
For the millionth fucking time, "Salaries and Benefits" includes salaries and benefits for people and contractors actively working in the charitable programs. Since a significant portion of the money the Clinton Foundation handles goes directly to charitable activity, it is not as simple has handing a third party organization millions and leaving it at that. Charities can't rely solely on volunteers... if you want work to be done, you have to pay people to do it. From a legal and pragmatic standpoint, the only expenditures that fall under "overhead" are fundraising costs and management/general expenses which make up $30 million, or 12%, of the Clinton Foundation's total expenses in 2014. The Clintons themselves receive a whopping $0 salary from the foundation.
So why don't you just take your sanctimonious hypocrisy and your smug gifs and shove them up your ass.
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In some ways I want Hillary to win just so she can bend the lot of you over and fuck you sideways alongside the international monied interest who back her. The only thing that concerns me is the fact that she's an arrogant bitch who doesn't know her limits whom will likely cook off WW3... But i'm sure you have tons of dumbass links to post rebutting that too.
Well, that's nice. I'm not a spiteful git so I want Hillary win so Trump doesn't fuck ALL of us, including yourself, sideways, upside-down, and in reverse.
Let me yet again unroll this sandwich for you and spoon feed you the details.... IRS Audit Flag : "any transaction between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue. Such transactions may include assignments of income, compensation arrangements, sales or exchanges of property, commissions, rental arrangements, gifts with retained interests, and contracts to provide goods or services to the organization.”
The burden of proof is on the organization to establish that it is not organized or operated for the benefit of private interests
One of the line item reasons why the Clinton Foundation is under audit is centered on the Salary/Benefits expense. Beyond that is $20 million dollars is travel ... $17 million dollars in consulting, and $14 million dollars in conferences and events.
I know exactly how the foundation is structured. I detailed and referenced the numbers everyone else referenced and the IRS is auditing the salary and benefits portion of the foundation namely due to the level of fraud that can be opaquely hidden there.
Also is the matter of pay to play whereby Hillary gets paid insane fees to 'speak' at an event and then conducts political favors or STEERS THE CLINTON FOUNDATIONS RESOURCES towards the person who paid her millions to have a speech. Or whereby, upon making huge donations to her foundation, Hillary performs political acts.
Thus making the foundation a patent fraud used as a tax haven and a backdoor to political favors. Ask Haiti how the feel about the Clintons... Ask any of the Foundtion's 'helped'.
Maybe because you don't interact in such realms of business, you don't understand the favored way in which the rich conduct business through tax shelters but don't sit there in your ignorance and called me a sanctimonious hypocrite.
I could give two shits who wins this election because at the end of the day its a choice between two clowns who represent clowns. There's nothing unfair about the outcome of a leader who reflects their populous.
I'm not spiteful. However, when you sit there and avert your eyes to the truth that stares you in the face. When you spit on someone who takes out of their time to educate your silly ass and declare their grounded commentary has no basis.. Commentary which aims to help you from not getting fucked having intimate knowledge of how you're getting fucked..
When you sit there and act like a jackass, you're dam right you deserve what's coming to you as do anyone who takes that line.
So, enjoy the election results whether its Donald or Hillary. You're claiming Hillary hasn't already fucked things sideways. So, if she becomes president, it should be business as usual.
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio]
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phio said: Let me yet again unroll this sandwich for you and spoon feed you the details.... IRS Audit Flag : "any transaction between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue. Such transactions may include assignments of income, compensation arrangements, sales or exchanges of property, commissions, rental arrangements, gifts with retained interests, and contracts to provide goods or services to the organization.”
The burden of proof is on the organization to establish that it is not organized or operated for the benefit of private interests
One of the line item reasons why the Clinton Foundation is under audit is centered on the Salary/Benefits expense. Beyond that is $20 million dollars is travel ... $17 million dollars in consulting, and $14 million dollars in conferences and events.
A massive charity responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars of charitable activity every year all over the world spends $41 million on travel, consultation, and events?! OH MY GOODNESS! It's almost as if the Clinton Foundation has to pay for things like everyone else does!
By the way, the Clinton Foundation isn't actually in the middle of a official IRS audit. It's tax-exempt status is being reviewed because the office doing the review procedurally reviews all non-profits with gross wages greater than $10 mil. Yes, there is a difference.
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I know exactly how the foundation is structured. I detailed and referenced the numbers everyone else referenced and the IRS is auditing the salary and benefits portion of the foundation namely due to the level of fraud that can be opaquely hidden there.
Keyword: "can be." Restated for emphasis, the IRS isn't auditing the Clinton Foundation.
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Also is the matter of pay to play whereby Hillary gets paid insane fees to 'speak' at an event and then conducts political favors or STEERS THE CLINTON FOUNDATIONS RESOURCES towards the person who paid her millions to have a speech. Or whereby, upon making huge donations to her foundation, Hillary performs political acts.
Thus making the foundation a patent fraud used as a tax haven and a backdoor to political favors. Ask Haiti how the feel about the Clintons... Ask any of the Foundtion's 'helped'.
The Clinton Foundation itself received $3 million for speeches (Part VIII, item 11a of the tax report). Hillary may have personally benefited from giving speeches too, but guess what... that's not illegal!
Did the Foundation receive money from foreign governments? Yes. Is that illegal? No. Are charities legally required to disclose donors? No. Is there any evidence available that she accepted in return for political favors? No. Does anyone actually care about whether or not the Clinton Foundation has committed any wrong-doing beyond whether or not it will harm Hillary political? NO. NO. NO. Worst case scenario, she pulled some strings in return for a a few millions of dollars in donations to a charity that has objectively done a lot (maybe not all) of real, philanthropic work for people who needed it. Who gives a shit? It's a lot better than using foundation money for little else other than buying self-portraits and settling personal law suits, that's for sure.
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Maybe because you don't interact in such realms of business, you don't understand the favored way in which the rich conduct business through tax shelters but don't sit there in your ignorance and called me a sanctimonious hypocrite.
I called you a sanctimonious hypocrite for your oh-so-confident and self-righteous comments about how you don't think I know what I'm talking about while greatly misunderstanding of how non-profits report expenses and what constitutes fraud. Clearly you regretted those because they've magically disappeared from your post.
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I could give two shits who wins this election because at the end of the day its a choice between two clowns who represent clowns. There's nothing unfair about the outcome of a leader who reflects their populous.
I'm not spiteful. However, when you sit there and avert your eyes to the truth that stares you in the face. When you spit on someone who takes out of their time to educate your silly ass and declare their grounded commentary has no basis.. Commentary which aims to help you from not getting fucked having intimate knowledge of how you're getting fucked..
When you sit there and act like a jackass, you're dam right you deserve what's coming to you as do anyone who takes that line.
So, enjoy the election results whether its Donald or Hillary. You're claiming Hillary hasn't already fucked things sideways. So, if she becomes president, it should be business as usual.
Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, spare me the holier-than-thou routine. Condescension and self-flattery isn't flattering, impressive, or a valid substitute for substantively arguing your point. Literally anyone can claim they're so much smarter and better than everyone else... it doesn't make it true. All it does is telegraph intellectual and emotional immaturity. Especially on top of the naive cynicism thing... man, that's a real one-two punch of the whole "I think I'm a genius because I've realized the world is a lot more complicated than it seemed when I was a child, and even though I inaccurately believe I've uncovered some hidden truth that few else can see, I feel overwhelmed and helplessness when faced with the question of how to solve real world problems so I choose not to care" act. That's okay though, dude. Most people go through a phase like that.
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Arcanum]
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You have made your comments. I have made mine.
You claim nothing is afoul. I claim there is something most certainly afoul.
Beyond balance sheets are many things to be explored. I've presented enough detail for things to be brought into question. The Foundation is being investigated by the IRS : http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404 Tax exempt status can be pulled when it is found that they are abusive practices such as ""transactions between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue" When your payroll is lined and padded and paying people a disproportionate share of benefits (salary,etc) in exchange for the relative charity served , your tax exempt status is revoked. That is what is in question and what I brought focus to.
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Arcanum said: Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, spare me the holier-than-thou routine. Condescension and self-flattery isn't flattering, impressive, or a valid substitute for substantively arguing your point. Literally anyone can claim they're so much smarter and better than everyone else... it doesn't make it true. All it does is telegraph intellectual and emotional immaturity. Especially on top of the naive cynicism thing... man, that's a real one-two punch of the whole "I think I'm a genius because I've realized the world is a lot more complicated than it seemed when I was a child, and even though I inaccurately believe I've uncovered some hidden truth that few else can see, I feel overwhelmed and helplessness when faced with the question of how to solve real world problems so I choose not to care" act. That's okay though, dude. Most people go through a phase like that.
P.S - You have no clue who I am or what I do in this world. So, don't claim for a minute that because I stated that the elected is inconsequential that I don't care about this world or have active influence in it. We've exchanged words. You have outlined your stance. Many in this world have. I have outlined something for you to consider. You have adamantly showed your disdain for such perspectives which is noted.
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: phio]
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phio said: You have made your comments. I have made mine.
You claim nothing is afoul. I claim there is something most certainly afoul.
Beyond balance sheets are many things to be explored. I've presented enough detail for things to be brought into question. The Foundation is being investigated by the IRS : http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404 Tax exempt status can be pulled when it is found that they are abusive practices such as ""transactions between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue" When your payroll is lined and padded and paying people a disproportionate share of benefits (salary,etc) in exchange for the relative charity served , your tax exempt status is revoked. That is what is in question and what I brought focus to.
Right! Their tax exempt status is being reviewed. There is an emphatic difference between that and being investigated for fraud or criminal activity. I mean, if preferential treatment on the part of non-profit organizations was a crime, there would be a shit ton of clergymen in jail right now and churches would be a major source of tax revenue.
I can't say for sure that the Clinton Foundation is completely innocent. All I've said is that there is not enough evidence to justify a presumption of guilt. Given the circumstances, I think it's extraordinarily irresponsible to make such forgone conclusions.
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P.S - You have no clue who I am or what I do in this world. So, don't claim for a minute that because I stated that the elected is inconsequential that I don't care about this world or have active influence in it. We've exchanged words. You have outlined your stance. Many in this world have. I have outlined something for you to consider. You have adamantly showed your disdain for such perspectives which is noted.
Have a good day
I was a tad harsh, I will admit, but don't pretend you didn't make your own unsubstantiated assumptions about what I know and my perspective. I came here for a mature, reasoned, but spirited debate. You took it upon yourself to presume my stance was unfounded and uneducated and adopted a condescending, arrogant, and rude posture. I defended myself in kind, but you went there first and you know it.
For the record, I am not disdainful of cynical attitudes of any kind. I understand it, and I've been there (in a couple of non-political subjects, I'm still there). I just don't appreciate them because I don't think not caring about important matters (you said you don't care who wins the election) is a practical method of solving important problems, and honestly, they're not wholly justified. Even accounting for ISIS, racial tension, and mass shootings, we are in the middle of the most peaceful era of human civilization. Maybe that depends on what political ideology you subscribe to, but from an empirical standpoint, we really aren't doing any worse than we ever have been. That's largely why a lot of people are so freaked out about Trump. His entire world view is based upon a frightening but inaccurate perception that the world and the U.S. is on the brink of ruin. That's just not true! The "system" is maddening, for sure, but cynics profoundly underestimate how difficult and complex it is to maintain a functioning society. We have problems and they can't be solved with a magic wand, but we can deal with them civilly and systematically. Fear and disenchantment will only make things worse.
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She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.
A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.
I don't know what this means. But if anything, a Hillary in office is returning to Nixon (watergate) with all the scandals and investigations that will proceed for years to come with the evidence the FBI has and Wikileaks has uncovered. There will be congressional hearings one after another, nothing will get done in office with her there.
Trump has 75 lawsuits against him right now. This used to include a lawsuit by a female who said that Trump raped her when she was 13 years old. She now has dropped the suit because of death threats.
In any case, Trump has alot more scandals possible to endanger him than Clinton. But maybe that's the Republican's plan -- get Trump elected -- then remove him so that Pense can take over.
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She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.
A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.
I don't know what this means.
It means that Trump is talking about going back to the WAR ON DRUGS. He wants to be like Nixon --"tough on crime". He's a "law and order" candidate. He's going to go after illegal substances, like what the Shroomery is all about, and bring back MANDATORY MINIMUMS which force judges to give long sentences to non-violent people even when they definitely don't want to.
He wants to go back to the days of Nixon's "War on Drugs" so the military industrial complex can make plenty of money and plenty of wars - and like Nixon's people - they think that "hippies" and blacks are preventing that.
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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
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She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.
A return to Obama is a million times better than a return to Nixon.
I don't know what this means.
It means that Trump is talking about going back to the WAR ON DRUGS. He wants to be like Nixon --"tough on crime". He's a "law and order" candidate. He's going to go after illegal substances, like what the Shroomery is all about, and bring back MANDATORY MINIMUMS which force judges to give long sentences to non-violent people even when they definitely don't want to.
He wants to go back to the days of Nixon's "War on Drugs" so the military industrial complex can make plenty of money and plenty of wars - and like Nixon's people - they think that "hippies" and blacks are preventing that.
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Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need
Doesn't sound too bad, I'm sure no parent wants to see their children get hooked on heroin or cocaine and if they do, I'm sure they'd like to see them get help
Havent we learned from Obama and the rest of the presidents that they ALWAYS say they will do something then when they get into office they dont do a damn thing?
It sounds like you are actually putting stock into what these puppets say
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Trump has already talked Ford into keeping jobs here, that's also a big part of his platform, he's already doing what he says he will,
All politicians lie to us, TRUMP isn't a politician, that's a big part of his appeal
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