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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803702 - 11/05/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you know there isn't proof?





What a complete shit way of trying to prove your claim correct.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23803710 - 11/05/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And try using a different sources beside beside the Clinton Foundation and Politifacts, who is notoriously one-sided for the liberal agenda. But yeah, using a link from the Clinton Foundation as a source for your argument just proves as to how ignorant you really are.




The only people who believe Politifact has a notoriously liberal agenda are conservatives who wouldn't know the difference between a fact-check and the ramblings of a crazy person. I sourced the Clinton Foundation's tax documents because the post I was replying to sourced an article that cited them as well but made unsubstantiated conclusions from them. I linked them so people could see for themselves. They are tax documents that are illegal to fabricate but also that the Clinton Foundation is not obligated to release to the public.

Here's a helpful link to help you understand the difference between primary and secondary sources.

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If all of what you say is true, then why did the FBI announce it has a LONG running investigation on the Foundation for pay for play allegations among other things. FBI agents actually doing the investigation have said any other person would have already been indicted.




The FBI also happens to be investigating Trump for his ties to Russia. Should I go ahead and automatically preclude that Trump is a puppet for Putin and Russian oligarchs despite a lack of concrete evidence?

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Why do you feel the need to protect a person that will literally do nothing for you in office? All her emails have literally indicated what she says in public isn't what she actually intends to do for big donors. These are facts.



No, no... what you are laying on the table are GOP talking points... taking little, itty-bitty scraps of half-truths and blowing them out of proportion. Make no mistake, if Hillary was running against any person other than Trump, there's a good chance I'd go 3rd Party. I don't hate her, but she's a political liability. I strongly disagree with your assertion that she wouldn't do anything for me, but even if that were true, I'd take nothing over actively making my and the life of everyone else that isn't a wealthy, white, and male worse.

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The Clinton Foundation has 56 million dollars in staffing/salary costs. Some of their top executives are paid several hundred thousand dollars. They said they would stop taking in foreign money, but they haven't. Your entire argument is moot.




It's funny how you criticize me for the sources I provide and then make claims without providing sources of your own. I'm the ignorant one?! My argument is moot?! :rolleyes: Come on, you can do better than that.

If you'd actually take a look at the Clinton Foundation's tax documents I provided, you'd see that, in 2014, they spent about $34 mil total on "Salaries, Compensation, and Employee benefits." Only about $2.5 mil total went to foundation officers, directors, and trustees, each of which worked an average of 50 hours per week. The rest went to employees and contractors that actually did the charitable work... because, you know, it costs money to employ people.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803714 - 11/05/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't you know?  All of that is relevant, Hillary made 100 million by starting a charity, forget everything your eyes see, it's all a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!




Even if she embezzled 100% of foundation funds, youre still at step 1 of proving your claim.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803732 - 11/05/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't you know?  All of that is relevant, Hillary made 100 million by starting a charity, forget everything your eyes see, it's all a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!




Even if she embezzled 100% of foundation funds, youre still at step 1 of proving your claim.




Hitler was never convicted of anything either, remember that when dismissing any claim against the Hildabeast


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23803735 - 11/05/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In a different post hostile was addressing the FACT that I said he has called liberals stupid and idiots and then said the democrats on this site just call people stupid. I called BS

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Actually I don't, you project all opposition to liberal ideas as that, I actually contribute instead of just hurling insults, you should try it, it's actually fun



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Do you even hear yourself








And then engages in this


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23803742 - 11/05/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry you can't follow a conversation,

fact is, he trolls me and I respond in kind

Anyone who can actually read can see that


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803748 - 11/05/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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daytripper05 said:
How do you know there isn't proof?





What a complete shit way of trying to prove your claim correct.


How do you know theres not a Santa Claus?




Lol, the irony of this statement...


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803777 - 11/05/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:
Don't you know?  All of that is relevant, Hillary made 100 million by starting a charity, forget everything your eyes see, it's all a VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!




Even if she embezzled 100% of foundation funds, youre still at step 1 of proving your claim.




Hitler was never convicted of anything either, remember that when dismissing any claim against the Hildabeast




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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05] * 2
    #23803781 - 11/05/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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daytripper05 said:
How do you know there isn't proof?





What a complete shit way of trying to prove your claim correct.


How do you know theres not a Santa Claus?




Lol, the irony of this statement...




What irony?

You dont need to disprove a negative. The burden of proof is on you. And all you have is "well....there might be evidence somewhere."

Until you or someone finds it, dont lecture me on being delusional.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #23803788 - 11/05/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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In a different post hostile was addressing the FACT that I said he has called liberals stupid and idiots and then said the democrats on this site just call people stupid. I called BS

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Actually I don't, you project all opposition to liberal ideas as that, I actually contribute instead of just hurling insults, you should try it, it's actually fun



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Do you even hear yourself








And then engages in this




He's a walking contradiction. Assuming he can walk.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803828 - 11/05/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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Seriously_trippin said:
In a different post hostile was addressing the FACT that I said he has called liberals stupid and idiots and then said the democrats on this site just call people stupid. I called BS

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hostileuniverse said:
Actually I don't, you project all opposition to liberal ideas as that, I actually contribute instead of just hurling insults, you should try it, it's actually fun



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hostileuniverse said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Do you even hear yourself








And then engages in this




He's a walking contradiction. Assuming he can walk.




Trolls gonna keep on trolling

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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: flickedbic]
    #23803864 - 11/05/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jeffrey Epstein, sounds familiar...

These cousins are worse than the Bush/Kerry cousins.  Again, this is our "free choice".

EDIT: antisemitic flavored political image removed

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Both Trump And Clinton Went To Jeffrey Epstein's Sex Slave Island.



Yes, both Trump and Bill Clinton were alleged to have done it.

But Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Meanwhile Trump and the media are making a big deal about Hillary's emails  while Trump is facing a possible rape conviction AND YOU DON'T HEAR A PEEP ABOUT IT.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803918 - 11/05/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?



He also wants to BRING BACK MANDATORY MINIMUMS AND GO BACK TO A CRACKDOWN ON PEOPLE LIKE THE SHROOMERY.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23803933 - 11/05/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?



He also wants to BRING BACK MANDATORY MINIMUMS AND GO BACK TO A CRACKDOWN ON PEOPLE LIKE THE SHROOMERY.




BS, or at least provide a source


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803992 - 11/05/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Today actually he was saying he wants to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the nation and get addicts the help they need




What sentient being would disagree with this?



He also wants to BRING BACK MANDATORY MINIMUMS AND GO BACK TO A CRACKDOWN ON PEOPLE LIKE THE SHROOMERY.




BS, or at least provide a source



I already posted a source -- https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23802411#23802411

but here it is again:
"While Trump advocates increased border and law enforcement, including a return to now widely discredited mandatory minimum sentencing for drug offenders, Clinton does not include funding for drug enforcement and interdiction efforts in her proposal. Such funding would presumably come through normal appropriations channels.

Instead of a criminal justice crackdown, Clinton vows that her attorney general will issue guidance to the states urging them to emphasize treatment over incarceration for low-level drug offenders. She also supports alternatives to incarceration such as drug courts (as does Trump). But unlike Trump, Clinton makes no call for increased penalties for drug offenders.

Trump provides lip service to prevention, treatment and recovery, but his rhetorical emphasis illuminates his drug policy priorities: more walls, more law enforcement, more drug war prisoners.

There is one area of drug policy where both candidates are largely in agreement, and that is marijuana policy. Both Clinton and Trump have embraced medical marijuana, both say they are inclined to let the states experiment with legalization, but neither has called for marijuana legalization or the repeal of federal pot prohibition.

If Clinton's drug policies can be said to be a continuation of Obama's, Trump's drug policies are more similar to a return to Nixon's. "


http://www.alternet.org/drugs/trumps-dopey-drug-policies


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous]
    #23804062 - 11/05/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23804075 - 11/05/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if Trump DID want to neuter the drug war, do you think his rabid fans or his party are going to do a complete 180 on drug policy theyve been pushing for half a century? Not a chance.




His party? You mean the democrats? :lol:

Google Clinton crime stats, if you dare!


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #23804106 - 11/05/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

At this point Hillary can say anything she wants in public, but her emails in private paint a different picture. Which begs the question, which Hillary do we get if she's elected? The Hillary that's been promised to the public, or the Hillary that's been promised to the special interested and her half a billion dollars in donors and special interests.

People give Republicans a bunch of shit for spending money on political campaigns, but Hillary has literally spent a half a billion dollars to slander Trump.

She's not running on her record. She's running entirely on notion she's going to be Obama's third term and keep Trump out of office. That's how bad her message is.


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: daytripper05]
    #23804131 - 11/05/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I feel she would've lost really by a landslide (it's basically 50/50 atm) if it were anyone but trump. Or if trump hadn't said a lot of what he has said


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Re: BASHO - Trump vs Hillary [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23804141 - 11/05/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't agree with that at all. The second Republican choice was Ted Cruz. The last thing we need is the son of a preacher as a president.


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