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'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World
    #23799267 - 11/03/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/operation-hyperion-targets-suspected-dark-web-users-around-the-world

This piece has been updated with additional comment from the FBI.

Earlier this week, law enforcement agencies from across the world announced an operation targeting vendors and users of dark web marketplaces. Codenamed Operation Hyperion, the move is one of the most dramatic police coordinations around the dark web yet, with thousands of people allegedly being identified.

But how exactly these arrests or interviews were connected to one another, if they were at all, remains unclear, and a large part of the operation seems to be geared toward intimidating current and potential sellers and buyers, and dissuading others from participating in the online drug trade, rather than leading to a substantial number of actual arrests.

New Zealand authorities announced they had “identified and spoken to” more than 160 individuals; the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said in a statement that it had arrested someone based in Quebec suspected of distributing narcotics internationally; and Swedish police even claimed to have identified some 3,000 suspected buyers in the country.

The FBI “made contact” with more than 150 people suspected of buying illegal items from various marketplaces, according to a press release.

"This was a coordinated week of action that was aimed at generating awareness that purchasing contraband on the Dark Web isn’t as anonymous or consequence free as some may think," FBI spokesperson Nora Scheland told Motherboard in an email.

Read more: 7 Ways the Cops Will Bust You on the Dark Web

A wealth of other US agencies also participated in the operation, including the US Postal Inspection Service, Customs and Border Protection, Internal Revenue Service, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, according to a press release from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Other international partners include agencies in the United Kingdom, Australia, Ireland, France, Spain, and Finland.

But Operation Hyperion isn’t so much a wide crackdown as it is a series of warning shots. The Dutch National Prosecution Service, for example, launched its own dark web site, which lists arrested vendors, and those who are still active.

“You have our attention,” reads the site, which also has a counter of buyers who have been apparently identified; but it is a simple looping animation, rather than anything being updated in real time.

And even those 3,000 suspected buyers identified in Sweden may not faces charges: Swedish Police said in their announcement that the agency does not yet know how many will be prosecuted.

What, if anything, connects all these suspects, such as specific marketplaces or investigative method is not totally clear. But New Zealand authorities said they targeted packages coming through mail centres, and then traced those packages back to vendors and buyers. A four-minute video from ICE showed Customs and Border Protection authorities scrutinising packages sent in the mail, suggesting the operation had a focus on intercepting shipments. (Many of the packages in the video aren’t related to drugs, but weapons and counterfeit products instead).

The mailing system is arguably the weakest point in the dark web drug trade. Whereas users’ communications on a market may be protected by encryption, and their location masked by the Tor anonymity network, buyers often have illegal packages delivered directly to their house, in their own name. And once a package has been deemed suspicious, investigators may look into where exactly it came from.

Law enforcement have previously announced international operations in a coordinated fashion. Operation Onymous involved agencies from the US, UK, and elsewhere, and relied on data gathered by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University’s Software Engineering Institute, when they attacked the Tor network in 2014.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz] * 2
    #23799689 - 11/04/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The only way they got the personal info of 3000 users is they posed as vendors and people gave it to them. I know stories like this cause hysteria but they didn't crack TOR, if they did this story would be 5 million child porn viewers were caught. They want you to think they cracked it, but they didn't. I don't know what the law is like in Sweden or NZ but most of the world an IP address isn't anything they can use, you need a court order to get the personal info. No one is going to go in front of judge 3000 times that to hand out 3000 warnings. I am telling you right now they posed as vendors, probably Swedish vendors with free samples.
But the effect is what that they got what they wanted. People will be afraid and some will stop using it. They probably have whole sites that are honeypots.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23799691 - 11/04/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Haha you need to read up some more dude on encryption. Law enforcement in America anyway is attempting to expand their hacking abilities by the end of the year which include all browser history, ISP information, emails ect...this is going unopposed so far in the legislative and approved by the Supreme Court. Getting busted on tor will be easier than ever through the expansion of rule 41. 


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23799807 - 11/04/16 06:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The only way they got the personal info of 3000 users is they posed as vendors and people gave it to them. I know stories like this cause hysteria but they didn't crack TOR, if they did this story would be 5 million child porn viewers were caught. They want you to think they cracked it, but they didn't. I don't know what the law is like in Sweden or NZ but most of the world an IP address isn't anything they can use, you need a court order to get the personal info. No one is going to go in front of judge 3000 times that to hand out 3000 warnings. I am telling you right now they posed as vendors, probably Swedish vendors with free samples.
But the effect is what that they got what they wanted. People will be afraid and some will stop using it. They probably have whole sites that are honeypots.




This. Social engineering is much, much, much cheaper and more effective than "cracking Tor".

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Haha you need to read up some more dude on encryption. Law enforcement in America anyway is attempting to expand their hacking abilities by the end of the year which include all browser history, ISP information, emails ect...this is going unopposed so far in the legislative and approved by the Supreme Court. Getting busted on tor will be easier than ever through the expansion of rule 41. 




Laughs at the poster above, tells them to read up on encryption and does not provide any examples.

At this point, your posts come off more as a sorry attempt at engaging in a misinformation/FUD campaign, than ignorant posts from a shitposter. Genuinely not sure if this is funny or sad.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23799996 - 11/04/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

rule 41 is not getting expanded? Cause if it isn't I would really like to see some legislation otherwise this close to the end of the yr. "end of congress"


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23800027 - 11/04/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Let's pretend Rule 41 had already been expanded. How would that change the governments position on not disclosing exploits used to acquire evidence used to support the prosecution of a defendant?

At this point, the government has been reluctant to disclose exploits used to gain access to a suspects machine, in open court. As such, the court has made it clear that should the exploits not be disclosed, the evidenced obtained through use of the exploit will be suppressed.

What point are you even trying to make, exactly?


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23800031 - 11/04/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

we are fucked


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23800053 - 11/04/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:ohyeahdefinitely:


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23800068 - 11/04/16 08:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, some congressional action would be nice as was promised, unfortunately with a dead heat election we got a standstill congress.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23800089 - 11/04/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, congressional action would be nice for a myriad of issues, including the issue discussed in the OP.

However, it bears repeating that even if Rule 41 is expanded,

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How would that change the governments position on not disclosing exploits used to acquire evidence used to support the prosecution of a defendant?

At this point, the government has been reluctant to disclose exploits used to gain access to a suspects machine, in open court. As such, the court has made it clear that should the exploits not be disclosed, the evidenced obtained through use of the exploit will be suppressed.




With key evidence suppressed, the prosecutions goal of proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt becomes significantly more difficult.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23800095 - 11/04/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Still being done across the country the battle is not over yet...but it soon will be.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23800112 - 11/04/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Still being done across the country the battle is not over yet...but it soon will be.




What is still being done across the country, exactly?

Also, attempting to argue in facts while using cryptic language like "the battle is not over yet...but it soon will be." does nothing to lend credibility to your case.


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Edited by h0ldthedoor (11/04/16 09:02 AM)


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: h0ldthedoor] * 3
    #23800162 - 11/04/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This sounds like scare tactics. They're trying to scare people away from the darknet drug markets because it is so difficult and time consuming for them to investigate


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: thehighking] * 1
    #23800363 - 11/04/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They were boasting about operation cross country x in which they took out 400 people in human trafficking across the web the other week but out of those four hundred only 14 were underage, so they pretty much lied about it. :rolleyes:


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: thehighking]
    #23800952 - 11/04/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This sounds like scare tactics. They're trying to scare people away from the darknet drug markets because it is so difficult and time consuming for them to investigate




Exactly, all it says is the FBI "made contact" with 15 "alleged dark net market users"...

If they really had anything to back this up past scare tactics they would be screaming it from the rooftops.

Even if they do expand their hacking skills/ techniques what do you think will happen to the encryption? It will being improved as well...

If they crack TOR then use an extra layer or 2 of encryption. If they can get past 3 use 5 :shrug: This will be a never ending game of cat and mouse most likely.

We will see how quantum computers change things though, once they FBI gets a hold one one it may be a gamechanger until the general public can catch up.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: musiclover420]
    #23801646 - 11/04/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cracking the encryption wont be the end of the dark market. Mail laws will.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23801698 - 11/04/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Cracking the encryption wont be the end of the dark market. Mail laws will.




Care to elaborate?


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: musiclover420]
    #23802014 - 11/04/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There's too many people to watch.  It's a never ending cat and mouse game that kind of cycles around in a spiral.

I would think though, if the "government" as I have come to understand it has something on you they dont just fire away willy nilly..

Personally, I would send out a little fable, or a tale, see how people respond.  And watch.

If the big buck walks out from the corn stalks, we'll shoot him, but other than that, we just stay silent, invisible, and watch.

They have done more amazing things than bust some "molly vendor", and that's just simple shit they're willing to talk about.  Think, "poker face"... they arent going to call up printers and cameramen to spread worldwide what they're doing...  that's the thing, with predators, they're on your ass before you can flinch, that's how they make a living.  Lions and tigers, and snakes and eagles..dont walk around with a fuckin megaphone...  it's in their best interest, that you never know they exist in the first place, and then cut your cord before you can make a noise that alerts your neighbor..

Doesnt that make sense?


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Amanita86]
    #23802030 - 11/04/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

90% of your pictures in relation to hunting, are when the hunter props up its already dead kill.  Other than that its just suiting up, getting a cup of coffee and slipping out into the field and posting up before your target wakes up.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23802539 - 11/05/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The courts have not made it clear that using exploits leads to suppression of evidence...that is incorrect. Some courts have sided with the defendant others have not. The Supreme Court has not taken up the case yet. And probably never will get the chance due to national security.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23802743 - 11/05/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The only way they got the personal info of 3000 users is they posed as vendors and people gave it to them. I know stories like this cause hysteria but they didn't crack TOR, if they did this story would be 5 million child porn viewers were caught. They want you to think they cracked it, but they didn't. I don't know what the law is like in Sweden or NZ but most of the world an IP address isn't anything they can use, you need a court order to get the personal info. No one is going to go in front of judge 3000 times that to hand out 3000 warnings. I am telling you right now they posed as vendors, probably Swedish vendors with free samples.
But the effect is what that they got what they wanted. People will be afraid and some will stop using it. They probably have whole sites that are honeypots.




3000 users is a lot of people to order from an unproven vendor.  They could have busted a DNM site or compromised a well known vendor.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23802746 - 11/05/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The only way they got the personal info of 3000 users is they posed as vendors and people gave it to them. I know stories like this cause hysteria but they didn't crack TOR, if they did this story would be 5 million child porn viewers were caught. They want you to think they cracked it, but they didn't. I don't know what the law is like in Sweden or NZ but most of the world an IP address isn't anything they can use, you need a court order to get the personal info. No one is going to go in front of judge 3000 times that to hand out 3000 warnings. I am telling you right now they posed as vendors, probably Swedish vendors with free samples.
But the effect is what that they got what they wanted. People will be afraid and some will stop using it. They probably have whole sites that are honeypots.




3000 users is a lot of people to order from an unproven vendor.  They could have busted a DNM site or compromised a well known vendor.  They could have also intercepted a lot of shipments from a certain vendor.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23802809 - 11/05/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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we are fucked



dude just stop it :facepalm:

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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear] * 1
    #23802991 - 11/05/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The mail is the weak point when buying drugs on the darknet, as technology increases so does the ability to view mail without opening it. I mean that already exists today, but it could become much more sophisticated. I don't know that buying drugs from the darknet is any safer from the police than hand to hand deals these days. Also using mail for transportation is a federal crime not a state crime.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz] * 2
    #23803082 - 11/05/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's true, the mail is the weakest link. But if it gets too bad humans can always figure out ways around it.  We haven't even really tapped in to the whole drone thing :smile:

No point spreading a bunch of unnecessary fear about all of us being fucked, because we simply aren't.  Every authoritarian power structure since the beginning of time has fallen.  Tor is still okay if you use it properly.  If tor was compromised, folks like JoR and GG would be done.  You think they don't want to sink those people?

The more they push, the more we push back.  Simple as that.  They can't stop us.  Clickbait articles about encryption being fucked with no real data to back it up is just that, clickbait.  Spread information, not fear.

Even if they do push it back offline, we still will win.  That's how it works.  They oppress, we resist.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear]
    #23803098 - 11/05/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is interesting news IMO so I don't really understand what it is you want me to stop? Spreading awareness? A huge operation like this is undeniably news worthy and a good read.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23803274 - 11/05/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I told you what to stop.  Stop this sort of shit

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Still being done across the country the battle is not over yet...but it soon will be.




Quote:

tdubz said:
we are fucked




Instead of jumping to irrational conclusions like that tor is compromised, lets take a moment and look at how many tor users there are in the US. 
https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html?start=2016-08-07&end=2016-11-05&country=us&events=off

over 300,000.  There are close to 2 million tor users world wide right now.  That's a whole shit ton of people.  If the tor network was compromised, they would be taking down a whole lot more pedophiles than they are. 

I'm happy you posted the article but I think perhaps a bit of analyzing and studying how these things come about is a better approach than to immediately start throwing your hands in the air about tor being compromised and the whole thing being fucked.  If it's fucked, there sure are plenty of big fish operating perfectly fine for some odd reason...

rather than posting over and over in various threads about tor being compromised, maybe you should spend a little more time trying to understand/explain HOW it is compromised.  As far as we know now there is no reason to suggest any of these 3000 people are in any way related to hacking of the tor network.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear]
    #23803347 - 11/05/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's just my opinion sorry if you don't like it. I guess I should use the term vulnerable then instead since cracked is causing confusion. Obviously there are several vulnerabilities with Tor.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23808785 - 11/07/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The problem is that all the US, UK, Canadian , and Aussie leadership, are involved with organized pedophilia rings and child porn. They will never seriously enforce pedophilia and child porn because there would be no politicians left. They will never stop the darknet drug markets, history has proved over and over that prohibition is a fools errand.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23810142 - 11/07/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/unsealed-court-docs-show-fbi-used-malware-like-a-grenade

Unsealed Court Docs Show FBI Used Malware Like ‘A Grenade’

In 2013, the FBI received permission to hack over 300 specific users of dark web email service TorMail. But now, after the warrants and their applications have finally been unsealed, experts say the agency illegally went further, and hacked perfectly legitimate users of the privacy-focused service.

“That is, while the warrant authorized hacking with a scalpel, the FBI delivered their malware to TorMail users with a grenade,” Christopher Soghoian, principal technologist at the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), told Motherboard in an email.

The move comes after the ACLU pushed to unseal the case dockets in September. The Department of Justice recently decided to publish redacted versions of related documents.

In 2013, the FBI seized Freedom Hosting, a service that hosted dark web sites, including a large number of child pornography sites and the privacy-focused email service TorMail. The agency then went on to deploy a network investigative technique (NIT)—a piece of malware—designed to obtain the real IP address of those visiting Freedom Hosting sites. According to the new documents, the NIT was used against users of 23 separate websites.

As for TorMail, officials have maintained that the government obtained a warrant to deploy the NIT against specific users of the service.

Now, we do know that to be true: recently unsealed affidavits include a total of over 300 redacted TorMail accounts that the FBI wanted to target. All of these accounts were allegedly linked to child pornography-related crimes, according to court documents.

Importantly, the affidavits say that the NIT would only be used to “investigate any user who logs into any of the TARGET ACCOUNTS by entering a username and password.”

But, according to sources who used TorMail and previous reporting, the NIT was deployed before the TorMail login page was even displayed, raising the question of how the FBI could have possibly targeted specific accounts.

One former TorMail user previously told Motherboard that the malware—which was quickly discovered and ripped apart by researchers at the time—“appeared before you even logged in.” WIRED's coverage from 2013 also suggested that anyone who visited TorMail was presented with an error page carrying the malware.

“The warrant that the FBI returned to the court makes no mention of the fact that the FBI ended their operation early because they were discovered by the security community, nor does it acknowledge that the government delivered their malware to innocent TorMail users. This strongly suggests that the FBI kept the court in the dark about the extent to which they botched the TorMail operation,” Soghoian added.

“What remains unclear is if the court was ever told that the FBI had exceeded the scope of the warrant, or whether the FBI agents who hacked innocent users were ever punished,” he continued.

Christopher Allen, a spokesperson for the FBI, told Motherboard in an email that, “As a matter of practice the FBI narrowly tailors warrants, and we do not exceed the scope of those warrants.”


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    #23810145 - 11/07/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They are going after everyone who is worth their time.


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    #23810333 - 11/07/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They are going after everyone who is worth their time.




Seems more to me like they are grasping at straws trying to get anything they can to use as a "success story" to perpetuate their efforts :shrug:


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    #23810431 - 11/07/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What's the relevance of that article? That happened a few years ago and was old news I thought. They fucked some folks through script based malware.  The real question is, Who of significance got caught? Of course they go after everyone of significance...that's their job

Nothing in that article is news, except that the Feds were telling the truth about obtaining a warrant :shrug:


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    #23810873 - 11/07/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They were using a single warrant to target everyone unlike what the warrant was intended for that's the point of the story and still continues to this day and is about to be super charged by the end of the year.


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    #23810880 - 11/07/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tdubz said:the FBI received permission to hack over 300 specific users of dark web email service TorMail. But now, after the warrants and their applications have finally been unsealed, experts say the agency illegally went further, and hacked perfectly legitimate users of the privacy-focused service.

They were using a single warrant to target everyone unlike what the warrant was intended for. That's the point of the story and still continues to this day and is about to be super charged by the end of the year.




Also the use of malware exploits is grey area at best under the court of law but with a national security blanket the judiciary will never get to decide if it is legal to use or not. "National Security"


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    #23810955 - 11/07/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The problem is that all the US, UK, Canadian , and Aussie leadership, are involved with organized pedophilia rings and child porn. They will never seriously enforce pedophilia and child porn because there would be no politicians left. They will never stop the darknet drug markets, history has proved over and over that prohibition is a fools errand.



links? sources?

I have heard of this. But dismissed it as a conspiracy. please let me know. i am open minded and curious


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    #23810999 - 11/07/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't mean to say they are shutting anything down permanently more so that they are able to increasingly catch people as time goes on compared to the early years of public tor usage.


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    #23811315 - 11/07/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nah.  Since the beginning there has always been busts...hushmail, safe-mail, Silk Road busts (super trips, nod, dpr,) the farmers market, etc etc.  it's not like vendors getting busted is a new thing.

Same old shit different day.  Some folks are dumb enough to run java script and download questionable stuff, and they get popped :shrug:

Contrary to the picture you like to paint, the sky isn't falling.  If the sky was falling, how come they've never busted Jesus of Rave?  It's common sense really.  Sure they are "cracking down" but last I checked they've been doing that since Nixon.  Nothing new has really changed.  Feds still hack, dealers still deal, markets still exist, pedos still operate.

Maybe one day they'll compromise the whole tor network, but as of today it's solid and reliable.  If you're a retard you'll likely get caught, but nobody "worth their time" of any significance has been busted.  The big fish are still doing just fine. 

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    #23811865 - 11/08/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Haha funny, I'm a special breed that's for sure. And the Feds should remember there are three branches of government.


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The problem is that all the US, UK, Canadian , and Aussie leadership, are involved with organized pedophilia rings and child porn. They will never seriously enforce pedophilia and child porn because there would be no politicians left. They will never stop the darknet drug markets, history has proved over and over that prohibition is a fools errand.



links? sources?

I have heard of this. But dismissed it as a conspiracy. please let me know. i am open minded and curious




Google: franklin coverup, dutroux affair, jimmy savile, jeffrey epstein, the podesta brothers, the westminster case, the hampstead case,  there is really so much god damned evidence its disgusting.

Not to mention the open secret of hollywood pedophilia, which is in cahoots with political pedophilia.


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/07/power-pedophilia-and-the-us-government/

https://www.corbettreport.com/pedophiles-in-politics-an-open-source-investigation/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier


https://newsinsideout.com/2015/02/pedophile-cover-hampstead-uk-police-social-services-courts-brainwash-whistleblower-kids-send-mother-legal-helper-exile-protect-satanist-abuser-father/

http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/oh-god-pure-horror-clinton-emails-linked-political-pedophile-sex-ring/

https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/mcmartin-preschool-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/


http://www.rense.com/general71/legal.htm

http://www.wanttoknow.info/sexabuse/pedophiles-politicians


https://theinternationalreporter.org/2016/11/06/political-pedophilia-an-open-source-investigation/

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/3sfiai/the_dutroux_affair/

https://www.rt.com/uk/243297-royal-pedophile-investigation-allegations/

http://time.com/2974381/england-land-of-royals-tea-and-horrific-pedophilia-coverups/

That should get you started. Basically ruling class pedophilia has been a part of society since civilisation began, back to egypt, greece, rome, babylon, etc.clear up until the present day, same with occult rituals, which are often combined with the sexual abuse.


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    #23811894 - 11/08/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Keep in mind i didnt even mention the religious pedophilia in all the abrahamic religions...


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    #23812260 - 11/08/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Haha funny, I'm a special breed that's for sure. And the Feds should remember there are three branches of government.



I agree wholeheartedly, but I feel like it really spiraled out of control after 9/11. 

If you look at all authoritarian power structures through the history of time, every one has fallen.  IMO Things have a way of balancing themselves out.  Freedom always prevails though in the end, because people want to be free.

Thanks for posting all this stuff coming across as offensive was never my intention.  I just think before jumping on the fear bandwagon we should strive more to understand the methods on which they are operating.  Hyperion is far less concerning to me than onymous


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    #23815201 - 11/09/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, the tactics being played out in the story in OP are as clear as fucking glass.


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    #23815321 - 11/09/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Which is what to expose the FBI's abuse of power?


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    #23817845 - 11/09/16 10:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, to try and scare people from getting into the DNM's. They're safe as fuck if you take precautions and are not a vendor.

Come on, you know they're not trying to stop people taking drugs to keep them 'safe'. They're trying to stop people taking drugs because people on (certain) drugs have a tendency to start to see through all the bullshit TPTB feed us. That is not in the interest of TPTB.

It is in their best interest to keep as many people as possible away from drugs. With the rate the DNM's are growing in use of course they're gonna want to scare people off. It seems to have worked on you and I bet it worked on many others too.


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    #23817850 - 11/09/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

they'll never get people off drugs
you know who does the most drugs?
rich people
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    #23818090 - 11/10/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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they'll never get people off drugs
you know who does the most drugs?
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drugs are like candy for rich people I'm laughing but it's true



Yeah, but they do shit drugs, like coke and expensive alcohol. Which are the antithesis of drugs like LSD & DMT, which open your mind, the preference among the rich seems to be stuff that boosts the ego, not stuff that lets you see past it.

My oldest friend is very rich now, and he hates psyches, cause he can't stand not being in control. Massive cokehead though.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23818106 - 11/10/16 12:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I was going to say they certainly don't mind people using certain harmful drugs.

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    #23818918 - 11/10/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's not my intention to scare people away from the drug market, I'm just pointing out the vulnerabilities of Tor and the legalities of using it. The Supreme Court is expanding the FBI's powers in hacking this December. Despite the legislative saying they would intervene...so far however that does not seem to be the case . A lot of people on here think they are safe on Tor and that simply is not true. This goes for any activity on Tor that may be illegal. The surveillance state is increasing not decreasing. Of course drugs will always be around and as there will always be ways to get them.


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    #23818983 - 11/10/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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A lot of people on here think they are safe on Tor and that simply is not true.



Says who?? Says you?? Based on what?? This dumbass article with no evidence whatsoever to prove anything about unavoidable flaws in the tor network (what you continuously suggest), or your article about tor mail hacking?? Logic points to Both of those things being script vulnerabilities or good old fashioned police work.  When speculating about shit we don't understand the scope of, it's best to apply some deductive reasoning.  As of now your claims are baseless especially concerning tor mail and Hyperion...better argument would be bringing onymous in to the discussion and trying to decipher what all that means for the tor network.

I appreciate you sharing articles.  I don't appreciate you spreading misinformation that tor is compromised without any EVIDENCE to back it up.  No article i have ever seen you post suggests that tor is fucked (as you claim after every one), just that tor users get targeted.  This should be COMMON KNOWLEDGE to EVERYONE who uses tor for illegal purposes.  If you are doing illegal shit, you need to know how to protect yourself...not running JavaScript, not doxing yourself, setting up obfuscated bridges, etc etc. 

So please until you have some facts to back up all your baseless claims, stop.  We know they hack.  You going to actually teach us something or keep whining like a little baby how everything is fucked without understanding HOW?

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    #23819198 - 11/10/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You sound a little butthurt. These are my opinions...no one has to agree with me or anything...but the number of darknet busts keep going up and articles like these are coming out more an more.


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    #23819223 - 11/10/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not butthurt I just have a strong distaste for spewing misinformation as fact, which you continue to do.  If you continue to make baseless statements abou the  tor network itself being compromised without any evidence to back it up, I will continue to correct you.

I may sound butthurt to you. But to me you sound like a Facebook milleneal who sensationalizes  clickbait whilst remaining ignorant to the actual substance of the article :shrug:

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    #23820334 - 11/10/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/us-customs-police-paid-contractors-to-monitor-the-dark-web

US Customs Police Paid Contractors to Monitor the Dark Web

Law enforcement aren’t tackling the dark web alone. According to public records and documents obtained by Motherboard, a section of the Department of Homeland Security has paid contractors around $150,000 for dark web monitoring services.

The move shows the increasing presence of so-called threat intelligence companies, that aim to provide corporate and government clients with access to information gleaned from hacking forums, drug marketplaces, and other sections of the digital underground.

The payments were made to Flashpoint, a company that offers products such as intelligence reports, automated alerts, and an API for access to dark web data, according to the company’s website. Flashpoint says it uses human analysts and automation to monitor the internet, and customers can access historical and “near real-time data” too.

Flashpoint doesn’t just offer information by itself though; clients can communicate directly with company analysts “to facilitate tailored threat investigations and deeper analyses of what is most relevant to your organization,” the website continues.

In August 2014, the DHS’s Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE) paid $149,000 for “law enforcement mission critical requirement of data and analysis on illicit activity conducted on online social networks, especially those accessed via the internet’s ‘dark web,’” from September 2014 to August 2015, according to a public listing of the transaction.

An order for supplies or services, obtained by Motherboard via the Freedom of Information Act, indicates that the total sum was split into two payments for $50,000, and one for $49,000. (ICE redacted what these different payments related to, stating that their release would disclose techniques and/or procedures for law enforcement investigations).

According to the document, ICE may have received other, more recent services from Flashpoint too, stretching to at least August of this year.

ICE has been behind a number of dark web arrests and operations. The agency was recently part of a worldwide awareness campaign from law enforcement, designed to highlight that purchasing illegal goods on the dark web may not be as anonymous as some think. ICE was also involved in the arrest of a poison vendor in 2014, and more recently, was linked to the bust of a man who allegedly offered murder-for-hire services on the dark web.

“In order to protect the integrity of our investigations, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) generally does not discuss law enforcement tools and techniques. The agency routinely works with the private sector to acquire tools that enable our agency to keep pace and stay ahead of evolving criminal activity that poses a threat to public safety and/or national security,” ICE spokesperson Dani Bennett told Motherboard in an email.

Although Flashpoint’s website doesn’t go into any specifics, it claims the company has “caught bad guys for the government.”

Indeed, Flashpoint’s leadership has a close relationship with law enforcement, and in particular the FBI. According to to The Intercept, the US government has paid Flashpoint’s Chief Innovation Officer Evan Kohlmann and his company at least $1.4 million for testifying in trials as an expert witness, and assisting with FBI investigations and consulting with other agencies.

According to public records, other US agencies that have ordered services from Flashpoint include Citizenship and Immigration Services for a total of $70,000 in 2015, the Secret Service for $331,500 in 2014, and most recently the Internal Revenue Service for $65,000 this August. Those records do not indicate whether the orders were specifically for dark web monitoring, but do suggest they related to subscriptions to Flashpoint services.


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    #23820348 - 11/10/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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In August 2014, the DHS’s Immigration and Custom Enforcement (ICE) paid $149,000 for “law enforcement mission critical requirement of data and analysis on illicit activity conducted on online social networks, especially those accessed via the internet’s ‘dark web,’” from September 2014 to August 2015, according to a public listing of the transaction.




If they were having any real progress don't you think major vendors would be getting busted?...

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Although Flashpoint’s website doesn’t go into any specifics, it claims the company has “caught bad guys for the government.”




Notice how they are intentionally super vague... Maybe they don't want to tip their hand if they have had any major breakthroughs but I also could see them doing the opposite. They take every chance they get to spread propaganda/ fear mongering as an excuse for a bigger budget. So if they had made any real progress I am pretty sure people would be aware of it by now.


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    #23820361 - 11/10/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Anything groundbreaking like the complete monitoring of tor would no doubt be highly classified.


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    #23820398 - 11/10/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Anything groundbreaking like the complete monitoring of tor would no doubt be highly classified.




Yes but we would see results from such a breakthrough. Unless they decide to just compile info and let all the pedos and dealers keep on keeping on...

I am not denying something like that is possible but I am almost certain we would have seen some signs by now. Unless it is a recent development.

IF there was some recent breakthrough I bet all it would take is an extra layer or 2 of encryption and most people would be relatively secure again :shrug:


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    #23820534 - 11/10/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you think they would bust a major dealer...right away? A large dealer can provide a lot of information thats how police opperate they let people or vendors deal all the time as long as they want anyway. Think about it.


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    #23820565 - 11/10/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you think they would bust a major dealer...right away? A large dealer can provide a lot of information thats how police opperate they let people or vendors deal all the time as long as they want anyway. Think about it.




Pretty sure it is the opposite dude... They bust small time dealers/ buyers then cut them deals to work up the latter.

If they had anything on the bigwigs they would have already been targeting them. Look at what happened to DPR.

You should think about it, why would they let a big time dealer go if they had anything on them?

So they could catch all the small time dealers buying grams of weed from them online? :lol:

All they would have to do is bust the person and then pretend nothing happened and keep listing stuff on their account.

But there is no reason I can think of why they would put off busting all the major dealers they can if things were truly compromised...

And if they had started doing that I imagine they would be shoving it in everyone's faces to try and deter people from using TOR/ the darknet.

Instead all we have is vague fear mongering clearly intended to dissuade people from using TOR...


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23820927 - 11/10/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No, to try and scare people from getting into the DNM's. They're safe as fuck if you take precautions and are not a vendor.

Come on, you know they're not trying to stop people taking drugs to keep them 'safe'. They're trying to stop people taking drugs because people on (certain) drugs have a tendency to start to see through all the bullshit TPTB feed us. That is not in the interest of TPTB.

It is in their best interest to keep as many people as possible away from drugs. With the rate the DNM's are growing in use of course they're gonna want to scare people off. It seems to have worked on you and I bet it worked on many others too.



See I used to believe this. but personally, I came to the conclusion that they are really just dumbasses and hypocrites. Not particularly intelligent

I feel conspiracy theories like these give too much credit to the ruling class. Its not a thing about these coniving bastards formulating these insane plans. Its just a bunch of idiots who believe the garbage they spew. Everyone who I have brought up DMT to thinks its the crazy pcp type drug. And it really comes down to misinformation

both of us are just speculating at this point


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23821103 - 11/10/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Cracking the encryption wont be the end of the dark market. Mail laws will.




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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23821123 - 11/10/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Not to mention drone mail :lol:


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23821214 - 11/10/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

People wont be going through mail soon it will all be computers, scanners, xray, and analytics. So no I don't think it's impossible.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23821233 - 11/10/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

they already take photos of all your mail

they already have large chunks of meta data from a single IP about where you go

you guys should read their spy catalogue sometime, all it takes is one complacent company like facebook for example...


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23821238 - 11/10/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Having worked in the belly of the mail system, I assure you it is impossible

We're decades away from that sort of theoretical technology if we last long enough to develop it


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23821250 - 11/10/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People wont be going through mail soon it will all be computers, scanners, xray, and analytics. So no I don't think it's impossible.




How will this be possible once drone mail becomes a thing? It may be less then 10-20 years before it is a thing to some extent.

Also I am not sure x rays can scan for everything, scents can be vacuum  sealed and any suspicious noises can be muffled.

Pretty sure most post offices are already super busy as it is imagine how much extra effort scanning EVERYTHING that goes through the mail would take :lol:

Sure it might be possible to an extent but realistically I can't see them catching up with it. Even when we have better tech for this kind of thing it would cost a fortune to implement it in every post office country wide... Even if/ when such scanner exist people will most likely find ways to get around them by tricking the scanners or something else :shrug:


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: musiclover420]
    #23821494 - 11/10/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

lol $150k to contract help?

In that specific field, it would barely be enough to cover two individuals for a year.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: hTx]
    #23821503 - 11/10/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

obviously skewed numbers, just learning the contractor is an amazing feat on it's own using the freedom of information act.


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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
    #23824709 - 11/12/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's funny how groups like the ACLU have to wait a year or two to get any information from the executive using the FOIA. I read the FBI does not even read ones from ordinary citizens they just toss the requests away.


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