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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: my3rdeye]
#23802743 - 11/05/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: The only way they got the personal info of 3000 users is they posed as vendors and people gave it to them. I know stories like this cause hysteria but they didn't crack TOR, if they did this story would be 5 million child porn viewers were caught. They want you to think they cracked it, but they didn't. I don't know what the law is like in Sweden or NZ but most of the world an IP address isn't anything they can use, you need a court order to get the personal info. No one is going to go in front of judge 3000 times that to hand out 3000 warnings. I am telling you right now they posed as vendors, probably Swedish vendors with free samples. But the effect is what that they got what they wanted. People will be afraid and some will stop using it. They probably have whole sites that are honeypots.
3000 users is a lot of people to order from an unproven vendor. They could have busted a DNM site or compromised a well known vendor.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: my3rdeye]
#23802746 - 11/05/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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my3rdeye said: The only way they got the personal info of 3000 users is they posed as vendors and people gave it to them. I know stories like this cause hysteria but they didn't crack TOR, if they did this story would be 5 million child porn viewers were caught. They want you to think they cracked it, but they didn't. I don't know what the law is like in Sweden or NZ but most of the world an IP address isn't anything they can use, you need a court order to get the personal info. No one is going to go in front of judge 3000 times that to hand out 3000 warnings. I am telling you right now they posed as vendors, probably Swedish vendors with free samples. But the effect is what that they got what they wanted. People will be afraid and some will stop using it. They probably have whole sites that are honeypots.
3000 users is a lot of people to order from an unproven vendor. They could have busted a DNM site or compromised a well known vendor. They could have also intercepted a lot of shipments from a certain vendor.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
#23802809 - 11/05/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tdubz said: we are fucked
dude just stop it 
The resistance will never be fucked*
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear] 1
#23802991 - 11/05/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The mail is the weak point when buying drugs on the darknet, as technology increases so does the ability to view mail without opening it. I mean that already exists today, but it could become much more sophisticated. I don't know that buying drugs from the darknet is any safer from the police than hand to hand deals these days. Also using mail for transportation is a federal crime not a state crime.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz] 2
#23803082 - 11/05/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's true, the mail is the weakest link. But if it gets too bad humans can always figure out ways around it. We haven't even really tapped in to the whole drone thing
No point spreading a bunch of unnecessary fear about all of us being fucked, because we simply aren't. Every authoritarian power structure since the beginning of time has fallen. Tor is still okay if you use it properly. If tor was compromised, folks like JoR and GG would be done. You think they don't want to sink those people?
The more they push, the more we push back. Simple as that. They can't stop us. Clickbait articles about encryption being fucked with no real data to back it up is just that, clickbait. Spread information, not fear.
Even if they do push it back offline, we still will win. That's how it works. They oppress, we resist.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear]
#23803098 - 11/05/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is interesting news IMO so I don't really understand what it is you want me to stop? Spreading awareness? A huge operation like this is undeniably news worthy and a good read.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
#23803274 - 11/05/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I told you what to stop. Stop this sort of shit
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tdubz said: Still being done across the country the battle is not over yet...but it soon will be.
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tdubz said: we are fucked
Instead of jumping to irrational conclusions like that tor is compromised, lets take a moment and look at how many tor users there are in the US. https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html?start=2016-08-07&end=2016-11-05&country=us&events=off
over 300,000. There are close to 2 million tor users world wide right now. That's a whole shit ton of people. If the tor network was compromised, they would be taking down a whole lot more pedophiles than they are.
I'm happy you posted the article but I think perhaps a bit of analyzing and studying how these things come about is a better approach than to immediately start throwing your hands in the air about tor being compromised and the whole thing being fucked. If it's fucked, there sure are plenty of big fish operating perfectly fine for some odd reason...
rather than posting over and over in various threads about tor being compromised, maybe you should spend a little more time trying to understand/explain HOW it is compromised. As far as we know now there is no reason to suggest any of these 3000 people are in any way related to hacking of the tor network.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear]
#23803347 - 11/05/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's just my opinion sorry if you don't like it. I guess I should use the term vulnerable then instead since cracked is causing confusion. Obviously there are several vulnerabilities with Tor.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
#23808785 - 11/07/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem is that all the US, UK, Canadian , and Aussie leadership, are involved with organized pedophilia rings and child porn. They will never seriously enforce pedophilia and child porn because there would be no politicians left. They will never stop the darknet drug markets, history has proved over and over that prohibition is a fools errand.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
#23810142 - 11/07/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://motherboard.vice.com/read/unsealed-court-docs-show-fbi-used-malware-like-a-grenade
Unsealed Court Docs Show FBI Used Malware Like ‘A Grenade’
In 2013, the FBI received permission to hack over 300 specific users of dark web email service TorMail. But now, after the warrants and their applications have finally been unsealed, experts say the agency illegally went further, and hacked perfectly legitimate users of the privacy-focused service.
“That is, while the warrant authorized hacking with a scalpel, the FBI delivered their malware to TorMail users with a grenade,” Christopher Soghoian, principal technologist at the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), told Motherboard in an email.
The move comes after the ACLU pushed to unseal the case dockets in September. The Department of Justice recently decided to publish redacted versions of related documents.
In 2013, the FBI seized Freedom Hosting, a service that hosted dark web sites, including a large number of child pornography sites and the privacy-focused email service TorMail. The agency then went on to deploy a network investigative technique (NIT)—a piece of malware—designed to obtain the real IP address of those visiting Freedom Hosting sites. According to the new documents, the NIT was used against users of 23 separate websites.
As for TorMail, officials have maintained that the government obtained a warrant to deploy the NIT against specific users of the service.
Now, we do know that to be true: recently unsealed affidavits include a total of over 300 redacted TorMail accounts that the FBI wanted to target. All of these accounts were allegedly linked to child pornography-related crimes, according to court documents.
Importantly, the affidavits say that the NIT would only be used to “investigate any user who logs into any of the TARGET ACCOUNTS by entering a username and password.”
But, according to sources who used TorMail and previous reporting, the NIT was deployed before the TorMail login page was even displayed, raising the question of how the FBI could have possibly targeted specific accounts.
One former TorMail user previously told Motherboard that the malware—which was quickly discovered and ripped apart by researchers at the time—“appeared before you even logged in.” WIRED's coverage from 2013 also suggested that anyone who visited TorMail was presented with an error page carrying the malware.
“The warrant that the FBI returned to the court makes no mention of the fact that the FBI ended their operation early because they were discovered by the security community, nor does it acknowledge that the government delivered their malware to innocent TorMail users. This strongly suggests that the FBI kept the court in the dark about the extent to which they botched the TorMail operation,” Soghoian added.
“What remains unclear is if the court was ever told that the FBI had exceeded the scope of the warrant, or whether the FBI agents who hacked innocent users were ever punished,” he continued.
Christopher Allen, a spokesperson for the FBI, told Motherboard in an email that, “As a matter of practice the FBI narrowly tailors warrants, and we do not exceed the scope of those warrants.”
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
#23810145 - 11/07/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are going after everyone who is worth their time.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
#23810333 - 11/07/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tdubz said: They are going after everyone who is worth their time.
Seems more to me like they are grasping at straws trying to get anything they can to use as a "success story" to perpetuate their efforts
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: musiclover420]
#23810431 - 11/07/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's the relevance of that article? That happened a few years ago and was old news I thought. They fucked some folks through script based malware. The real question is, Who of significance got caught? Of course they go after everyone of significance...that's their job
Nothing in that article is news, except that the Feds were telling the truth about obtaining a warrant
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear]
#23810873 - 11/07/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They were using a single warrant to target everyone unlike what the warrant was intended for that's the point of the story and still continues to this day and is about to be super charged by the end of the year.
Edited by tdubz (11/07/16 08:06 PM)
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
#23810880 - 11/07/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tdubz said:the FBI received permission to hack over 300 specific users of dark web email service TorMail. But now, after the warrants and their applications have finally been unsealed, experts say the agency illegally went further, and hacked perfectly legitimate users of the privacy-focused service.
They were using a single warrant to target everyone unlike what the warrant was intended for. That's the point of the story and still continues to this day and is about to be super charged by the end of the year.
Also the use of malware exploits is grey area at best under the court of law but with a national security blanket the judiciary will never get to decide if it is legal to use or not. "National Security"
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
#23810955 - 11/07/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rickpsfuckyou said: The problem is that all the US, UK, Canadian , and Aussie leadership, are involved with organized pedophilia rings and child porn. They will never seriously enforce pedophilia and child porn because there would be no politicians left. They will never stop the darknet drug markets, history has proved over and over that prohibition is a fools errand.
links? sources?
I have heard of this. But dismissed it as a conspiracy. please let me know. i am open minded and curious
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: topdog82]
#23810999 - 11/07/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to say they are shutting anything down permanently more so that they are able to increasingly catch people as time goes on compared to the early years of public tor usage.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: tdubz]
#23811315 - 11/07/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah. Since the beginning there has always been busts...hushmail, safe-mail, Silk Road busts (super trips, nod, dpr,) the farmers market, etc etc. it's not like vendors getting busted is a new thing.
Same old shit different day. Some folks are dumb enough to run java script and download questionable stuff, and they get popped 
Contrary to the picture you like to paint, the sky isn't falling. If the sky was falling, how come they've never busted Jesus of Rave? It's common sense really. Sure they are "cracking down" but last I checked they've been doing that since Nixon. Nothing new has really changed. Feds still hack, dealers still deal, markets still exist, pedos still operate.
Maybe one day they'll compromise the whole tor network, but as of today it's solid and reliable. If you're a retard you'll likely get caught, but nobody "worth their time" of any significance has been busted. The big fish are still doing just fine.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: Big Bear]
#23811865 - 11/08/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha funny, I'm a special breed that's for sure. And the Feds should remember there are three branches of government.
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Re: 'Operation Hyperion' Targets Suspected Dark Web Users Around the World [Re: topdog82]
#23811892 - 11/08/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rickpsfuckyou said: The problem is that all the US, UK, Canadian , and Aussie leadership, are involved with organized pedophilia rings and child porn. They will never seriously enforce pedophilia and child porn because there would be no politicians left. They will never stop the darknet drug markets, history has proved over and over that prohibition is a fools errand.
links? sources?
I have heard of this. But dismissed it as a conspiracy. please let me know. i am open minded and curious
Google: franklin coverup, dutroux affair, jimmy savile, jeffrey epstein, the podesta brothers, the westminster case, the hampstead case, there is really so much god damned evidence its disgusting.
Not to mention the open secret of hollywood pedophilia, which is in cahoots with political pedophilia.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/07/power-pedophilia-and-the-us-government/
https://www.corbettreport.com/pedophiles-in-politics-an-open-source-investigation/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier
https://newsinsideout.com/2015/02/pedophile-cover-hampstead-uk-police-social-services-courts-brainwash-whistleblower-kids-send-mother-legal-helper-exile-protect-satanist-abuser-father/
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/oh-god-pure-horror-clinton-emails-linked-political-pedophile-sex-ring/
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/mcmartin-preschool-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/
http://www.rense.com/general71/legal.htm
http://www.wanttoknow.info/sexabuse/pedophiles-politicians
https://theinternationalreporter.org/2016/11/06/political-pedophilia-an-open-source-investigation/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/3sfiai/the_dutroux_affair/
https://www.rt.com/uk/243297-royal-pedophile-investigation-allegations/
http://time.com/2974381/england-land-of-royals-tea-and-horrific-pedophilia-coverups/
That should get you started. Basically ruling class pedophilia has been a part of society since civilisation began, back to egypt, greece, rome, babylon, etc.clear up until the present day, same with occult rituals, which are often combined with the sexual abuse.
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