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OfflineMorel Guy
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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23801325 - 11/04/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Mental hospitals are full of mental patients.  Lot's of people get into mental healthcare because they themselves are sick.

Second to last time I was in one, I packed my things into a bag when I got out.  Threw everything else in a dumpster.  It was the second grow I trashed from being locked up in there.

It's probably best to take your meds and try to understand where other people are living.  I do a lot better not playing that higher consciousness game with real world problems.  The world is crazy enough without one more crazy actor with crazy ideas.  Some ideas are crazy enough to work but who's going to listen and understand?

Pushing risk isn't all that rewarding.  Just can't see what we have most of the time.  Losing what we have isn't an answer to get more.  Yet that's how I got where I am.  Never had a house to live in before now.  Didn't have a dog living on my own.  Didn't keep what I really think of people to myself either.  Not that they ever understood my complaints or why I felt the way I did.

Even if you moved objects with your mind, in a mental hospital it would be wasted.


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23801350 - 11/04/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

OP i just had 2 psych ward stays a month and a half ago from smoking so much BHO..AGAIN

i was totally delusional thinking people were reading my mind and that i was going to moved out to california and win money and all that stuff. i was forced Thorazine and risperdal..fun times...im a little celebrity in these places :lol: i know all the staff its pretty funny


but ya i made the comeback and weened myself off the thorazine when i came out and am back to normal without being on any medications, im glad to report

we always seem to go in at the same time :lol:


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23801388 - 11/04/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How much BHO did you smoke? :eek: And I think I am bad when I get zombied out early in the day from too much oil :lol:


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: musiclover420]
    #23801393 - 11/04/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What are you smoking at night to get all comfy, when you start out with hash in the morning?


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: musiclover420]
    #23801410 - 11/04/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How much BHO did you smoke? :eek: And I think I am bad when I get zombied out early in the day from too much oil :lol:





I always get to a point where im smoking basically all day..then it all seems to just massively fuck my brain and i become extremely psychotic/schizophrenic

i mean i was smoking probably 3/4 of a gram a day..maybe a little less but i conserved it

but yeah it was bad. im so happy i made it out somehow without being on meds for the rest of my life


its crazy...with all the tripping i did..it was never LSD mushrooms or DMT that made me go crazy...ever. it was ALWAYS that damn fucking BHO..theres something about it that i just cannot handle

i seriously could take LSD now and be fine. my mind works well with hallucinogens oddlly enough


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Rhizohunter] * 1
    #23801461 - 11/04/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I believe that you believe all that guided by an invisible hand stuff

But please just don't let those beliefs get you shot or beat up by cops because they refuse to understand your enthusiasm or whatever the case may be that leads to an encounter with them

What I'm saying is you seem like a decentman, don't get yourself hurt out there


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: stzacrack]
    #23801545 - 11/04/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I literally also believed that the army could raise the dead and 4 people who died in my life I saw people that looked exactly like them and i thought it was them reincarnated


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23801611 - 11/04/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Morel Guy said:
What are you smoking at night to get all comfy, when you start out with hash in the morning?




If I dab at night it keeps me up, I dab lower THC oils at night when I have em but I usually don't have much so I saver them :lol:

I try to not smoke at night as it tends to keep me awake in general. I get tired as I come down so if I dab early on after a few hours I can be comatose.

@ Bill, try some low or even THC free stuff possibly. I have noticed high THC extracts can be pretty taxing when used heavily, I have felt it a bit and seen it in others IE irritability/ unstable mood. I have seen a few people throw ridiculous fits over the most miniscule of shit becouse they had been dabbing so heavily and were out of it :eek:

One of my friends slapped a piece of toast out of his girlfriends hands one day :rofl2: Here is the full story summed up:

I had been hanging out at a friends house who often has a bunch of people over, 2 of my other friends had been eating a bunch of his food and ate almost the entire last loaf of "his favorite bread" :lol: So friend A (whose house it is) comes into the kitchen to make some toast and notices its all gone. He starts bitching and his girlfriend points out there is more bread of another kind. Friend A bitches more about how its not his special bread then notices his girlfriend is toasting the last piece :tongue2: So he starts wigging out and making a big deal about it so she offers him the piece by literally extending it out towards him and he smacks it out of her hands onto the floor and kept bitching :grin: He blamed her for eating the entire loaf becouse she ate the last end piece.

It was pretty hilarious. Anyways that was random but felt somewhat relevant :lol:


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23801631 - 11/04/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Be on medicare and uncle sam will take care of you. My last trip to the ward involved 2 days ICU, 2 ambulance rides, a week and meds in the ward itself and I didn't pay a dime.

That was involuntary and before Obamacare though.


I feel like I miss the down time in the ward sometimes but the reason I spent an extra day in the ICU is because they didn't have beds in the ward.


I don't think OP is making the story up though. He does seem unstable. He is definitely not in the same state of mind you or I am. I'm glad you brought up the potential consequences of his actions but I'm not sure he's in the right state of mind to fully grasp them.




I won't be eligible for Medicare for another 40 years. I have a year left on my step-dad's employer coverage. I might qualify for Medicaid when that runs out, but it depends largely on whether or not I have a job.

The last time I was in the hospital, I was charged over $1000 just from the ER where they did nothing but do an EKG and admit me to the psych unit. When I was 17, I spent about two weeks in a children's inpatient behavioral health unit... $14,000 while both of my parents were already in the middle of bankruptcy proceedings. Ask me if I still hate myself for that.

I can appreciate how nice it feels to be shut off from the real world while in the hospital at the times I really needed it. I can also appreciate how shitty it is to be in the hospital when I didn't feel I needed it. In either case, the situation isn't one that I, nor anyone I know who's been in a psych hospital, would sum up with the words, "man oh man did I have a good old time."

Imagine if someone went to the ER and, for whatever reason, claimed he'd had a heart attack, knowing that he really didn't. So the ER doctors do what they're supposed to do, perform tests and try to prevent another one, meanwhile there are other people in the ER who are legitimately ill who'd actually benefit from the care he's receiving... and the guy self-righteously thinks that they're just hassling him for no reason and/or trying to make a buck. Then he complains that they won't give him some fun drugs but says he had a blast anyway cause that's just the type of guy he is. It's not funny or cute or impressive. Unstable or not, it's irresponsible and fatuous.

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I had reasons for going to Jones Hill, as I have reasons for every action I take. It is as if I am guided by a hand that is unseen, which just kinda brings me to the places I need to go, long story.




Really? The only reasons I've ever had to be in a psych ward are having an intention to kill myself, attempting to do so, or threatening to kill loved ones, having had completely lost my grip on reality. Compared to an invisible hand? Pssh, shame on me for not realizing there were more important machinations going on! :doh:


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Arcanum]
    #23801818 - 11/04/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Rhizo we are truly being guided by mother Gaia

I always felt like i was like a dog on a leash being walked by the universal spirit.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Arcanum] * 1
    #23801999 - 11/04/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I understand. But you can't be mad at him. I mean you can but I don't think it's fair to be. Go read some of his other threads. He wrote about being in love with this "tranny queen" that he went to be with in the hospital. Unless it's another trans girl but I doubt it. That thread was extremely hard to understand which made me understand that OP does not hang on the same logic and rationale we do. I think OP is a mental patient. He doesn't understand that his attitude/perception is inconsiderate and hard on others and possibly dangerous to himself and his ability to function within society. He may not want to function in society. Which kind of defaults him into mentally disturbed regardless of his stability.

I dunno if that's even relevant. OP is what we would call mentally ill. Being angry with him for impulsively putting himself in a mental hospital and not taking his meds is silly. Yes I do believe he should be held responsible for his actions but he doesn't have that perception right now to understand why you would be mad. You can try to explain it to him but don't be mad at him. He's not fully 'there.'




As for your trip to the ward when you were a teenager- be mad at the shitty healthcare system, not yourself. There shouldn't even be staffing and room problems we have for mental healthcare. And everything is severely inflated. That's not your fault.


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23802150 - 11/04/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You have a point, for sure. Looking at his other posts... there's definitely something going on. Apparently, he is a meth head though.

I'm not really angry at him. I've certainly said and done stupid shit during unstable periods of my life, including abusing stimulants, and I have had to atone for and live with the mistakes I've made. I just don't think it's wise to enable or otherwise tolerate his behavior, regardless of whether or not he's capable of comprehending or accepting objections. Not that that's what you are doing, but I'm being a bit more frank about it. There is also an element of making sure other people understand that this kind of thing isn't okay.

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As for your trip to the ward when you were a teenager- be mad at the shitty healthcare system, not yourself. There shouldn't even be staffing and room problems we have for mental healthcare. And everything is severely inflated. That's not your fault.




Oh, believe me, I am most definitely dissatisfied with the mental healthcare system. I could write a book about how our society is, to put it lightly, fucking asinine for neglecting the mentally ill, but that's a topic for another thread. Thanks for the solace though. :hi5:


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Arcanum] * 1
    #23802391 - 11/05/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Blame Ronald Reagan.
http://www.povertyinsights.org/2013/10/14/did-reagans-crazy-mental-health-policies-cause-todays-homelessness/
Over 30 years ago, when Reagan was elected President in 1980, he discarded a law proposed by his predecessor that would have continued funding federal community mental health centers. This basically eliminated services for people struggling with mental illness.

He made similar decisions while he was the governor of California, releasing more than half of the state’s mental hospital patients and passing a law that abolished involuntary hospitalization of people struggling with mental illness. This started a national trend of de-institutionalization.

In other words, if you are struggling with mental illness, we can only help you if you ask for it.

But, wait. Isn’t one of the characteristics of severe mental illness not having an accurate sense of reality? Doesn’t that mean a person may not even realize he or she is mentally ill?

There certainly seems to be a correlation between the de-institutionalization of mental health patients in the 1970s and early 1980s and the significant number of homelessness agencies created in the mid-to-late 1980s. PATH itself was founded in 1984 in response to the significant increase in homelessness in Los Angeles.

It’s ironic that a political leader who made such sweeping decisions affecting Americans with mental health issues ultimately came face-to-face with the dangers of untreated mental illness. In 1981, President Reagan was shot by John Hinckley Jr., a man suffering from several different types of personality disorders.

Where has Hinckley been for the last 30 years? In a psychiatric hospital.

It makes me wonder just how many people living on the streets today would also be safer and better cared for in an institutional setting.

LOL, then I found this.
http://www.wordaroundthe.net/2012/09/common-knowledge-reagan-and-homeless.html
Ronald Reagan was Governor of California from 1967 to 1975, and ran for president in 1976. He was defeated in the primaries and spent 4 years working on his campaign, his speeches, and behind the scenes with the Republican Party. He was elected president in 1980, five years after the court decision to put mentally ill people on the streets. President Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with that decision or the release of these people.

Let me repeat that: it was the Supreme Court case of O'Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 that put the mentally handicapped on the streets, that opened asylums and put relatively harmless and functional insane people into the general population, not Ronald Reagan, and not when he was president. That is absolute indisputable fact.


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23802885 - 11/05/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:confused2:
Well it is hard to find a balance. Between rights and doing what is best for society. Around here mental health providers trick ignorant people into 'voluntarily' admitting themselves. (My case I was put in by law, there are work around laws in most states too.) but it's dirtier than just putting them in patty wagon style. It leaves a sour taste in the mouth and makes such a person, who is indeed likely mentally ill, even more distrustful of authority and those who want to 'help' them. It is indeed a fine line. I can't say how I would fix it. But healthcare, especially for the mentally ill, is more difficult to get access to than it should be.

We had a politician here that was shot in the head by his stepson 2 nights after he was released from the mental hospital due to the lack of beds. Of course it stirred people up, politicians too, but in the near decade since it happened nothing has really changed. :undecided:


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: Arcanum]
    #23802893 - 11/05/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You have a point, for sure. Looking at his other posts... there's definitely something going on. Apparently, he is a meth head though.





This puts the pieces of the puzzle together a bit better. Thanks for sharing. I think OP may not be worth the time in educating... Which is why people 'enable' his behavior.


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Re: I infiltrated a psych ward a couple weeks ago [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23803292 - 11/05/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tyrannicalrex said:
LOL, then I found this.
http://www.wordaroundthe.net/2012/09/common-knowledge-reagan-and-homeless.html
Ronald Reagan was Governor of California from 1967 to 1975, and ran for president in 1976. He was defeated in the primaries and spent 4 years working on his campaign, his speeches, and behind the scenes with the Republican Party. He was elected president in 1980, five years after the court decision to put mentally ill people on the streets. President Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with that decision or the release of these people.

Let me repeat that: it was the Supreme Court case of O'Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 that put the mentally handicapped on the streets, that opened asylums and put relatively harmless and functional insane people into the general population, not Ronald Reagan, and not when he was president. That is absolute indisputable fact.




This article is a load of horse shit. O'Conner v Donaldson made it more difficult for people who were mentally ill but otherwise not dangerous to be kept in mental health institutions against their will, which was totally a good thing. Reagan completely eliminated federal funding for those mental health institutions. Those are two completely different things. Under O'Conner v Donaldson, people who were severely mentally ill and without the means to take care of themselves could still choose to stay. Under Reagan, everyone, including the people who were most at risk of hurting themselves or others, were kicked to the curb, and shifted the majority of inpatient mental health treatment to for-profit hospitals. Fuck Ronald Reagan!

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Around here mental health providers trick ignorant people into 'voluntarily' admitting themselves. (My case I was put in by law, there are work around laws in most states too.) but it's dirtier than just putting them in patty wagon style.




One time, I had gone to the hospital on my own accord, and during the whole intake procedure, a nurse came to me with the form for me to sign to confirm that I was voluntarily committing myself. I was in a little bit of a daze at the time and sort of froze for a few seconds with the pen in my hand, so she very matter-of-factly said, "If you don't sign it, we will keep you here against your will anyway." :shrug:

Another time, it's a long story, but basically, the police got involved. I was lucid by the time they got there, but I was bleeding from my scalp after hitting my head (I promise, it was a total accident and coincidence completely unrelated to mental illness goings-on, but it looked an awful lot like I had tried to bash my head in). Anyway, the officer convinced me to take an ambulance ride to the hospital to make sure I didn't injure my head too badly ("Just to be safe," he said). I figured they would've looked at my head, bandaged it, and let me go so I acquiesced. Immediately after getting into the ambulance, the paramedic told me he was going to give me Ativan. I said okay without thinking, and before I could go, "Wait a minute, what the fuck? I don't need that," he IM'ed 3-4 CCs into my arm. I regained awareness twelve or so hours later in a bed in a hospital psych unit with a staple in my head. :shake:

In both cases, I can't blame them for suspecting I was at risk of harming myself, especially given the circumstances, but damn, it's crazy to see how blurry the lines actually are.


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