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inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ?
    #23798726 - 11/03/16 06:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hi . i was reading a post that states back in the day , people where having success cultivating shrooms on only compost and or horse manure .

Here is the link

https://erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_article10.shtml. 

I was wondering if anyone has had success with this method for grainless spawn . i saw blue helix spawn bag tek and it seems similar , he even wrote back saying that it is very possible by liquid culture , i tried clarifing the point of no grains but he hasnt been on .

I have 250 spawn bags for p.e. cubes and about 400 quart jars for pan cyan pf style  . Would i be able to acheive a decent yield per bag and jar , being that my manure and verm spawn is at 65% moisture level with plenty of liquid culture ??

Will they grow and produce fruits being that manure and or compost is free.


Thanks alot guys .


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: som776]
    #23798844 - 11/03/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Spawn is the bulk of the nutrition in your grow. So much so that measuring yeild can be done by quarts of spawn used. You should achieve 1-2 dry oz per "mycology" quart of spawn(that is 2/3 full for shaking)

Of course you can go right to poo. That's how it was done decades ago. There's spawn now if you're wanting to do what's achievable now


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23798873 - 11/03/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wtf you want with that much spawn :stonedjerk:


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: cronicr]
    #23800654 - 11/04/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks . will the 1 - 2 oz dry per quart also be an accurate estimate for just using poo also ?


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: som776]
    #23800963 - 11/04/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

asking if you'll get 1-2 oz pr quart of spawn if you're not using spawn?? put down the bong dude, that dont make sense :lol:


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: som776]
    #23800972 - 11/04/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

touché. Do you think i can atleast expect half ?


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: som776]
    #23801011 - 11/04/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23802204 - 11/04/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok brother . Your not helping anymore , thanks


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: som776]
    #23802276 - 11/05/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bulk sub mostly supplies water, most of the nutrition comes from the grain, why yield goes up with higher spawn ratios and why natures BE is piss poor compared to our indoor grows.


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23802311 - 11/05/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

you know, maybe it's just me, but I'd have probably done a little more reading before I did 250 spawn bags, and made 400 qt jars for pans (done pf style?) with LCs.


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: dankington]
    #23802445 - 11/05/16 03:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you know, maybe it's just me, but I'd have probably done a little more reading before I did 250 spawn bags, and made 400 qt jars for pans (done pf style?) with LCs.




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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: som776]
    #23802491 - 11/05/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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som776 said:
Hi . i was reading a post that states back in the day , people where having success cultivating shrooms on only compost and or horse manure .

Here is the link

https://erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_article10.shtml. 

I was wondering if anyone has had success with this method for grainless spawn . i saw blue helix spawn bag tek and it seems similar , he even wrote back saying that it is very possible by liquid culture , i tried clarifing the point of no grains but he hasnt been on .

I have 250 spawn bags for p.e. cubes and about 400 quart jars for pan cyan pf style  . Would i be able to acheive a decent yield per bag and jar , being that my manure and verm spawn is at 65% moisture level with plenty of liquid culture ??

Will they grow and produce fruits being that manure and or compost is free.


Thanks alot guys .




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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23802501 - 11/05/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why quarts of size for cakes. Yield for coir alone is 4 dry grams per quart. Straw being the highest at i think 10 grams per quart.


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: tump]
    #23802570 - 11/05/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did you just pull these values out of your ass or what?


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23802596 - 11/05/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This guys trying to grow 100lbs a month or something hahahaha

Maybe you should do a grow first....


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23802602 - 11/05/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No go test it with pure straw or pure coir in bottle teks. Pure coir sucks that way but 50ml of li will do the trick. Of course i only did this one round out of boredom. Im sure if muda or pasty did it they get better yeild.


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: tump]
    #23802612 - 11/05/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was gunna say that just doing it once doesn't mean anything lol, since every pair of genetics would prefer a certain substrate to another, or conditions even will affect it. But yeah I've seen a few mushrooms come out of a piece of cardboard > straw block or an agar dish > manure pile. Literally never tried coir.

But I don't understand why we want to go spawnless, because it's substantially higher yields, but that's just me :shrug:


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: som776]
    #23802635 - 11/05/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ok brother . Your not helping anymore , thanks




dude, if you're using 0 qt jars of grain spawn,
how can you ask questions about how much return you'll see pr qt jar of grain spawn?!?

that's why I said put down the bong you're not making sense :super:


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23802643 - 11/05/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lol he really doesn't get it eh?

1 oz/qt of spawn could mean there's anywhere between 1-4 qts of poo, which would mean 2-5 qts of overall substrate = 1 oz, which is still IMO pretty shitty, so that might help op figure out his question


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Re: inoculate pure manure and verm without any grains ? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23802734 - 11/05/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you just pull these values out of your ass or what?




business as usual eh? :wink:


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