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I regret visiting that 'psychologist'
    #23797626 - 11/03/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So I once had a very scary trip on shrooms, where I totally believed I was possessed by a demon. I know it's bullshit, but I had experienced such inexpressible fear that I just needed some support to recover.

So I went to that psychologist.

And the last thing I needed for the moment was the anti-drug lecture she provided. The bitch thinks all drugs are the same, all people who take drugs are the same. Neither did she listen to me, nor even take into account my objections afterwards. She believes she's the best.

I needed empathy and some help in integrating the experience. But instead I faced moralistic stuff, stigmatizing diagnoses (and she's not even a doctor) and some shitty compassion like 'You're an addict, but something inside you is still fighting'.

I hate people very seldom, but it's the case. Fuck her.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #23797632 - 11/03/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lmfao... Psychology is still so far behind that I still consider it a sham.

The best psychologist I ever saw was named psilocybin.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #23797642 - 11/03/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would recommend finding someone who has at least taken mushrooms before to help you talk through your experience. Anyone who hasn't done mushrooms doesn't know what it's like lol.

Try talking to some people on here or find youtube videos of people who've had similar experiences.

Good luck! And just remember bad trips can be as equally beneficial as good trips. Try to think through what the mushroom is trying to show you.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: impaired420] * 1
    #23797649 - 11/03/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Too bad you didn't experience someone like my dad. He was psychiatrist and he had a private practice from 1965 to 1995. He started during the time when LSD was legal and independent research was going on. I don't think he did any research, but he read the journals and found the whole thing very interesting. And he said many times that he believed psychedelics could possibly be an important tool for therapy. He told me about one guy who was a hippy-type, who, for one session brought in a stereo system and had my dad listen to The Who's "Quadraphenia". The guy also made him listen to some Beatles and some Hendrix, saying that this music described the way he felt. My dad was very understanding about drugs, he was cool guy.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #23797667 - 11/03/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You would have been better off going to talk to a priest. A priest would probably have a better understanding and be far more down to earth than a psychologist, and you can speak to a priest for free.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Universe]
    #23797696 - 11/03/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yes, low doses of mushrooms are a good way to integrate what you've seen in a high-dose trip.

And I do have a couple of friends who are even more experienced than me, I should have discussed this with them rather than seek 'professional help'.

Cool indeed, Universe! I wish my dad was like that.

Thanks. See ya.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: wicca mixer]
    #23797707 - 11/03/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Our orthodoxal church is pretty much 'medievalish'. I'm afraid a priest would encourage my paranoid fears. Or not. It depends.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #23797734 - 11/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Our orthodoxal church is pretty much 'medievalish'. I'm afraid a priest would encourage my paranoid fears. Or not. It depends.



definitely no priest.
you'll get the same bullshit only instead of "you're an addict" it will be "you are being tempted by the devil"

These people have had years of propaganda and false information and fear programed into them that they have no clue what is going on.
I would think that someone who is a psychologist would at least be keeping up with the latest research and studies.
its weird they are oblivious to the studies saying it can be effective addiction/ptsd/ocd treatment etc..

if you go there again just do this and a look for someone else


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE]
    #23798190 - 11/03/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Detail the trip a little more if you don't mind. I had a trip once in which I was a demon. If our trips were similar enough, I could talk with you about it.

It kind of messed with my head a little for a while also. It still racks my brain quite a bit, but I don't get so drawn,in and worried about it anymore. I just think on it occasionally, still trying to bring about some sort of meaning to it.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: thebug76]
    #23798645 - 11/03/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Its all part of what you needed to figure out from the trip. The mushrooms showed you a great fear inside of yourself. You went to someone else to calm the fear for you. That failed. Here you are on the shroomery writing about it. The trip is still be integrated in your psyche. Months or years from now this will all make a lot more sense. Maybe what the mushrooms were showing you all along is that you have to faces the fear inside of you and no one else can help you do it.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #23799097 - 11/03/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh yes, low doses of mushrooms are a good way to integrate what you've seen in a high-dose trip.

And I do have a couple of friends who are even more experienced than me, I should have discussed this with them rather than seek 'professional help'.

Cool indeed, Universe! I wish my dad was like that.

Thanks. See ya.
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I can understand your frustration with that psychologist. I have had hard times after heavy trips that I longed to talk to someone about my experience. Lucky that I found the shroomery and a good book called Psychedelic Healing by Neal Goldsmith.

Psychedelics are so controversial in society that we are automatically diagnosed as drug addicts for being honest and open by trying to talk to someone in the medical field.

MAPS.org has some professional Psychologists listed on their website and also tons of great information. I have found it helpful to go back and trip again to make sense of confusion from difficult trip.

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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #23805555 - 11/06/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience where you didn't get the empathy you needed OP. Looks like you went to a pretty bad psychologist. This is why every psychotherapist and psychiatrist should go through therapy before working with patients.

Not all psychologists and psychiatrists are like that at all, but it's true lots of them think they know what the people seeking their help have to do in their lifes (as if they were somehow superior), instead of truly listening to them and helping them discover what they need to do with their lifes in order to feel better.

If you are atill struggling with this experience, I recommend finding a better therapist who is truly interested in your personal experience and needs. I know these kind of things often make people loose confidence in psychologists and therapists in general, but there are lots of good ones out there.

I wish you the best :smile:


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #23805626 - 11/06/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i dont understand how you can be a licensed psychologist and not understand the difference between taking something like methamphetamine and taking psilocybin.

not all drugs are equal, how can these people go through school and not understand how drugs interact with our psychology, or even the proper definition of addiction.

Addiction means "I cannot stop taking a drug no matter how much i try."

not "I like taking drugs on the occasion because i enjoy it and appreciate the experience."

This is fucking pitiful. What the fuck are they teaching them!?
These people bring their own ideology and arbitrary morals into the situation to convince what you are doing is deplorable.

like would they give the same fucking trash to a person in a tribe or culture which has been using these things ritually for hundreds of years? Probably.. Because that is how fucking ignorant of history and psychology they are.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #23805933 - 11/06/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i dont understand how you can be a licensed psychologist and not understand the difference between taking something like methamphetamine and taking psilocybin.

not all drugs are equal, how can these people go through school and not understand how drugs interact with our psychology, or even the proper definition of addiction.

Addiction means "I cannot stop taking a drug no matter how much i try."

not "I like taking drugs on the occasion because i enjoy it and appreciate the experience."

This is fucking pitiful. What the fuck are they teaching them!?
These people bring their own ideology and arbitrary morals into the situation to convince what you are doing is deplorable.

like would they give the same fucking trash to a person in a tribe or culture which has been using these things ritually for hundreds of years? Probably.. Because that is how fucking ignorant of history and psychology they are.




I agree with you. It's due to a lot of factors such as lack of information on different substances and also what you said: bringing their own morals and ideology into the situation. That's why I said it's absolutely necessay that psychologists and psychotherapists go to therapy themselves before treating people. Unfortunately, lots of universities don't encourage their students to do so, in my country this is especially frequent among behavioral psychologists and of course psychiatrists. This makes them not understand their own prejudices and emotions, which then get projected into the therapeutic (or maybe I should say anti therapeutic in this cases) relationship.

In a nutshell, I wouldn't recommend visiting any psychologist who hasn't been to therapy him or herself.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #23806003 - 11/06/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah man she is an ignorant fuck. But some psychologists can help, and talks with friends can help, it just depends, we live in a sad society


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    #23807159 - 11/06/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
    #23809770 - 11/07/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, thanks everyone for your responses and support!

I think I'll try another psychologist soon. I went to that one in desperation and was very disappointed when understood she cannot help.

Anyway, nobody can do my 'trip homework' for me. And it's not only about the last particular trip. I'll have to review everything that happened to me during these five years and try to understand and integrate the experiences.
The most difficult part is to overcome my esoteric thinking.

Now it seems the demon expressed my inner conflicts. It's mostly fear of myself, my suppressed aggression. I noticed I feel similar sensations in serious conflict situations when I have to defend myself.
I don't accept my aggression and in the trip I perceived it as something separate, a demon trying to 'take control'. If it's true, he is a part of me and not something dangerous I have to get rid of.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Headrush]
    #23809874 - 11/07/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I can understand your frustration with that psychologist. I have had hard times after heavy trips that I longed to talk to someone about my experience. Lucky that I found the shroomery and a good book called Psychedelic Healing by Neal Goldsmith.

Psychedelics are so controversial in society that we are automatically diagnosed as drug addicts for being honest and open by trying to talk to someone in the medical field.

MAPS.org has some professional Psychologists listed on their website and also tons of great information. I have found it helpful to go back and trip again to make sense of confusion from difficult trip.

Best of luck




Thanks, will try 'Psychedelic Healing'.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #23809887 - 11/07/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did she try and charge you? It's mind blowing how close minded some people are. They will take any opportunity they can to feel superior to you.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: impaired420]
    #24012754 - 01/15/17 05:57 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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Lmfao... Psychology is still so far behind that I still consider it a sham.






I take it your understanding of the human mind is phenomenal to be able to make such a statement, either that or you don't understand the field well.  You will have doctors that will treat you like shit because they view their job as a decent source of income, then you have doctors who are passionate about their work, and actually care about helping others, and the money is the second prize in their eyes, with the patients well being often holding precedence. 

You need to try to find a doctor who actually does what a doctor is supposed to do, help you become stronger in whatever way they can, and not just view you as a paycheck.

I promise you a proper psychologist will be fascinated by your use of psychedelics, will not reprimand you for being human and wanting to explore the mind, after all many psychologists explore the mind, just in a different manner than you and I.

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These people have had years of propaganda and false information and fear programed into them that they have no clue what is going on.






That's a blanket statement if I ever heard one, you sound just like the psychologist telling everyone that uses mushrooms that they are bad substances, propaganda can come from the psychedelic community as well, don't forget people that use psychs are humans too, and subject to the same behaviors when trying to form a conclusion on an issue, they will often try to find the side which backs up their claim.

Just because a person uses psychs, doesn't mean they're the messiah, just because a person hold a degree, doesn't mean they know a thing.:grin:


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Lucis]
    #24012860 - 01/15/17 06:56 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Bumped a two month old thread lul.

But well said nonetheless.
I was gonna comment the same thing how there are professionals who lack empathy, but I see you got it.
I hope OP is okay.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Chakanooga]
    #24014916 - 01/16/17 02:34 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Totally ok, thanks!

I didn't notice the last response so I also have to say I totally agree with that.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #24019240 - 01/18/17 07:08 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Loooooooooool academic education often produces such unprofessional qualities in entry level psychology....I've met a few psychologists like this...


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    #24019378 - 01/18/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I've had a meeting with a psychologist once and she called me a drug addict because I told her I would rather smoke weed than take those nasty pain/anxiety pills I was prescribed. Never went back there, never will and i'm happy about it.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: OUTofBODY25]
    #24020792 - 01/18/17 05:44 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Make sure you see someone with a Master's Degree at least, or a PhD, in the field of psychology.

Those 'counselors' are a joke, those people that are just doing a job for money, because they earnt a diploma in hypnotherapy or some shit. LOL.

Stay away from those clinics . . .

I had one load up Google and say 'I can help you through this' and it's like, "here are some positive statements to remember."

hahaha

Psychology is quite far behind other sciences but that's partly because of stupid shit like behaviourism taking the spotlight for so long. Behaviourism doesn't even allow for the prospect of subjectivity, and it's supposed to be the study of subjective phenomena.

Psychology has consciousness expansion to study, yet. Once that happens, it will blossom.

Higher consciousness is real.

But the current stuff, it's quite good, it just depends on if you're smart enough to actually understand it? :smile:


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: beforethedawn]
    #24021596 - 01/18/17 10:34 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Honestly, I think you really do want to stay far away from them. They'll have you instituted. And they just won't listen, they aren't trained for that, they'll just say yeah yeah and probably prescribe an anti-schizophrenic. Find a shaman instead.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: beforethedawn]
    #24021980 - 01/19/17 04:59 AM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Nah, that´s not correct.
Psychology is far behind other sciences because it is a very young science. We still aproach new subjects every day. Even younger are high resolution imaging techniques, which help us understand neuronal connections and functions, so we can correlate them with behaviour and thought processes. To expect, that all that stuff is completely understood and that every therapist can understand his/her patient in the blink of an eye is preposterous. If the brain was constructed in a simple and understandable way we would not be capable of understanding it.
But there is hope: This year the first fMRI study of a brain under the influence of LSD was published and research on that topic has been conducted since several years. The stigma from the 70s finally seems overcome.
And now stop bashing psychologists, one is listening. :P
(Bashing incapable psychotherapists, like the one the OP met, is still ok^^)


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Blabble40]
    #24027937 - 01/21/17 11:08 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

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Honestly, I think you really do want to stay far away from them. They'll have you instituted. And they just won't listen, they aren't trained for that, they'll just say yeah yeah and probably prescribe an anti-schizophrenic. Find a shaman instead.




Don't you confuse psychologists with psychiatrists? Psychologists don't prescribe drugs. They just, like, prescribe you to say 'yeah yeah' to yourself every morning.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #24027954 - 01/21/17 11:12 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

In general, they have so many schools in psychology constantly arguing with each other.

And there even is no agreement regarding the main subject of psychology. And no actual definition of the 'psyche'. And no methodology to study all this subjective stuff.

I really don't see psychology as a science. Even though there are some very good points. And it's sometimes worth it in practice. But only sometimes, unfortunately.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #24028030 - 01/21/17 11:43 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

Nope,nope and nope...

Of course scientists argue with each other, because models are developed cnstantly and theories are proven wrong. THat is, how science works.

The main subject of psychology is to describe, explain and predict human thought and behavior. The methology orientates on general research theory, uses empirical methods, statistical and mathematical models and aims at least to correlate factors, better to prove causalities via experiments.

You would gain more insights, if you ventured deeper into the subject. Please do not confuse psychology, which is the scientific branch with psychotherapy.

As far as psychoanalysis is considered, I would agree that there is a lack of methodology, since it does not (inherent in the system) match the scientific quality criterions of objectivity, reliability and validity.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #24028121 - 01/21/17 12:26 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

Hello! New here, but I had a very insane experience where I thought the world was all a giant alien conspiracy against me lol. For me it was really always me thinking of it and it becoming real. Kept me locked up a bit in my room and not want to socialize. Even if people were talking they would be that thing that was always there. Ended up actually being court ordered to be psycho analyzed with a bunch of "looneys" who couldn't come back from their mind alterations because they kept drugging them. Refused to take the drugs they gave me, and got out of their in 10 days Then I got really involved in the real life itself and stopped smoking marijuana. Every time I have smoked marijuana after that the idea intensifies so I was really wary of taking shrooms too.

The way I stepped out of it was intensifying my faith in love. Love for all ideas and thoughts and giving the dark bits their respective love to exist if they choose. Trying to lose a sense of my way is the best way to all ways are equally awesome I just want to go this path cause I am gravitated towards light so good luck to you and me! lol eventually that thing went away enough that I came over my fears enough to get a good job and be healthy social and trying new mind deviations again.

Just got through my first shroom trip and it was awesome. Feeling much happy, hope you feel better! and maybe my 1.5 cents if not help, then let you know there are much of us out there but to someone whose reality has been books and chemicals brainwashed into their idea of healing, maybe accepting an alternative way of healing is just too much for them. so good luck to your much deserving of enlightenment psychologist. Ditch her and find healing within and hopefully she does as well.

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    #24028157 - 01/21/17 12:48 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

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Hello! New here, but I had a very insane experience where I thought the world was all a giant alien conspiracy against me lol.



i had a similar thing happen. i had what was called the "truman show Delusion" i thought i was God and everyone secretly knew that


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    #24028178 - 01/21/17 12:56 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

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Every time I have smoked marijuana after that the idea intensifies




I'm the same after smoking for thirty years I haven't for the last three.


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    #24028292 - 01/21/17 02:01 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

True, you can say the discipline is young. Basically, the substances are taboo and you can generally be locked up for possession and intent to distribute, so there's that stigma with them. They aren't generally trained in the psychedelic literature. All they know is that they can make you schizophrenic and delusional - they are schedule 1 so have no recognized medical use. If you say otherwise that's largely underground knowledge and a rebellious belief system. Whether you want to fight the power or not is largely up to you, but as has been mentioned there is some progress being made such as with new studies using brain scan imaging techniques and with the backing of major organizations. For example MAPS is currently funding a project to study the effects of MDMA on PTSD. It's a good start and if that can get legalized, well, seeing how it is related to methamphetamine and Adderall, maybe we can see more public education on substances and less stigmatization in the near future.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Blabble40]
    #24028445 - 01/21/17 03:20 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

i dislike them mixing feelings and stigma with objective science and still want to have the label of "real science". The way they vilify these substances is not based on sound science but rather emotion.


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    #24028503 - 01/21/17 03:46 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

Who is they?

Psychologist are highly interested in psychoactive substances but research was stopped with the upcomming war on drugs in the early 70s. Since 2005 ongoing, research continues.

In the US MDMA was officially requested to be made legal for medical use (PTSD treatment) a few weeks ago. In several countries, research is conducted on LSD (Switzerland), Psilocybin (US) and Ayahuasca/DMT (Germany) for medical use and also basic science about consciousness.

Things are in progress, guys. Just be patient. Rome wasn´t built in a day. :smile:


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
    #24028528 - 01/21/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 9 days ago)

i just mean this whole bullshit about how if you are interested in having a psychedelic experience then most will claim "oh you're a drug addict because you are interested in altered states of consciousness" and then try to tell you that you are sick and in need of help. This is what OP was complaining about, and we recently had another thread with someone complaining about that same thing.
i think many fail to recognize that the human urge to alter ones state of consciousness is not a sign of disorder but rather a sign of interest in the mysterious which is vital to our evolution and perfectly natural imo. there is this panic when someone mentions psychedelic and you are unable to have a rational un-biased discussion about it.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE]
    #24029484 - 01/22/17 12:38 AM (7 years, 9 days ago)

Psychologists, are all about money, when I was about 18 before leaving for college, my mom said I needed to see a psychologist, I thought this may have dealt with the fact that I was born premature at 2.1 pounds. I sat in the waiting room for 45 minutes met the psychologist for five minutes, he asked how are you I replied good how are you?.. Asked if I was having any mental problems said no, how about you? Think that pissed him off.. Next thing I know the psychologist puts me on a three day health hold in a mental hospital, cost me 8 grand, they tried to give me anti-psychotic medicine that I refused to take. All about money in my case to the government and psychologist. I did meet a few people that were way out in the few days I spent at the hospital, I don't think many of them got released. It was a weird experience in all, but costly.

Psychologists, live by an old book that can't be rewritten without future research and colloquial ideas


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    #24029573 - 01/22/17 02:38 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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i just mean this whole bullshit about how if you are interested in having a psychedelic experience then most will claim "oh you're a drug addict because you are interested in altered states of consciousness" and then try to tell you that you are sick and in need of help. This is what OP was complaining about, and we recently had another thread with someone complaining about that same thing.
i think many fail to recognize that the human urge to alter ones state of consciousness is not a sign of disorder but rather a sign of interest in the mysterious which is vital to our evolution and perfectly natural imo. there is this panic when someone mentions psychedelic and you are unable to have a rational un-biased discussion about it.




The almighty taboo only lends to the suggestion that psychedelics are a key to knowledge that people are subconsciously scared to face and scared to know. 

For myself, the taboo and the fear have been a primary motivator for me to consume them and look deeper into spiritual and religious aspects, asking myself the question 'What is everyone fearing?'. I think the answer is 'themselves'. The world is a populous of insecurity, and so the time when the taboo dissipates will be when the insecurities fade - should they ever.

It's one great catch 22.  The psychedelic has the potential solution to a problem, but the problem itself is exactly why people are scared of psychedelics.

There's evidently two forms of 'leap of faith'. One that allows for enlightenment by naturally relinquishing the destructive ego (know as 'repentance') and the other the trust in consuming a substance in order to learn and bring the mind to the same end - free of destructive ego and unnecessary fear.

People simply fear themselves and the unknown, akin to a system dependant prisoner of fifty years entering back into an expansive, free society.  The taboo of psychedelics is their cherished security, bolting the door, keeping them safe within.

This is the comfort of sin.


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    #24030748 - 01/22/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

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i just mean this whole bullshit about how if you are interested in having a psychedelic experience then most will claim "oh you're a drug addict because you are interested in altered states of consciousness" and then try to tell you that you are sick and in need of help. This is what OP was complaining about, and we recently had another thread with someone complaining about that same thing.
i think many fail to recognize that the human urge to alter ones state of consciousness is not a sign of disorder but rather a sign of interest in the mysterious which is vital to our evolution and perfectly natural imo. there is this panic when someone mentions psychedelic and you are unable to have a rational un-biased discussion about it.





Yeah, that indeed is a problem, but not a problem of the psychologists branch itself. Of course there are open minded and skilled psychologists out there but also stupid assholes. One needs to find the good guys.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
    #24033308 - 01/23/17 01:46 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Who is they?

Psychologist are highly interested in psychoactive substances but research was stopped with the upcomming war on drugs in the early 70s. Since 2005 ongoing, research continues.

In the US MDMA was officially requested to be made legal for medical use (PTSD treatment) a few weeks ago. In several countries, research is conducted on LSD (Switzerland), Psilocybin (US) and Ayahuasca/DMT (Germany) for medical use and also basic science about consciousness.

Things are in progress, guys. Just be patient. Rome wasn´t built in a day. :smile:




I guess 'they' are not all psychologists, but those with poor professional and general background. The thing that pisses me off is that such professionals don't even know they suck. But ok, that unlucky consultation's so much in the past already.

Thanks for good news man, a historical thing indeed. Where can I read about this? Is it in shroomery news?


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #24034441 - 01/23/17 08:16 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

It could be doctors, psychologists, or psychiatrists, or nurses, key thing is most social workers have the same background if they're only in it for the money or a pseudo intellectual interest in people. There might be occasional ones who are more intelligent but that doesn't mean they have the same views as people interested in psychedelics. If a person does drugs like acid it could usually on mean one thing, they might be more schizoid than baseline or mental. Everyone knows the history of the drugs such as Hoffman and how they began in Switzerland and about Stephen Szára. Supposedly there were obscure drugs laws in USA that made research have to stop.


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    #24036440 - 01/24/17 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

:laugh: I totally agree. Some of those guys should rather take the mushies instead of advising people to abandon them.^^

A good source is the maps.org project. You could also try to contact the research departments directly or at least have a look at their publications. For Germany, Heidelberg University is the one with the Ayahuasca research for example.


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    #24036822 - 01/24/17 06:07 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

'Psychologists' and 'Psychiatrists' are not the same thing.

What most people think of when hearing the term 'psychologist' is actually a 'psychiatrist'.

They're both in the mental-health specialty, but they're not the same thing.


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    #24036963 - 01/24/17 06:52 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Thats nearly right. Psychologists are from the scientific branch, the researchers.
What is usually considered as a psychologist is actually a psychological psychotherapist. Those guys need to study psychology first and then study psychotherapy. They are more specialized on affective or personality disorders.
A psychiatrist is from the medical branch and has studied medicine. After that he needs to become a medical specialist for psychiatry. They are mostly specialized on more severe mental illnesses (those with the loss of connection to reality).
There are also physicians who have specialized in psychotherapy. One major factor is, that physicians are allowed to prescribe drugs and psychological psychotherapists are not.
This may deviate in parts from country to country. I described the German situation.


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    #24037014 - 01/24/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I've only spoken to an 'actual' psychologist (PhD) a handful of times a couple years ago. WAY different experiences than the many 'psychiatrists' (drug 'pushers') I've had.


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    #24037253 - 01/24/17 08:47 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Psychologists and psychiatrists are primarily interested in the same thing through what they study. Once they get a job it's usually around the same field, just a different role. So the psychologist is just interested in the human mind through theory and the literature and psychiatrists can prescribe medication, and are concerned with how it might affect the human mind and what's important from it. Their viewpoint can be a little different because of the background and what they study. Obviously when they work together you might see one after the other, if you have a therapist that studied social work or psychology they might be able to refer you to a psychiatrist. On the other hand psychology can hardly be said to be an actual science whether it's young or not, as it's usually considered soft. You do have all kinds of scholars in most fields however. Some would say there's little to be gained from seeing social workers unless it's rehab and they're trying to get sober.


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    #24045707 - 01/28/17 05:09 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

Psychology can be approached scientifically and every psychological phenomena can be studied using the scientific method.

However, when it comes to therapy, science is not the most important thing at all. Lots of unexperienced psychologist and even more experienced ones believe that only scientifically proven methods of behaviour changing (i.e cognitive behavioral therapy) are useful in therapy and that's completely wrong. In therapy the most important thing is to be able to create an authentic relationship in which the client can feel unconditionally accepted, listened to and understood. This is entirely different from using scientifically proven techniques although these aspects that help the client solve his/her issues can be studied using the scientific method.

When this relationship I'm talking about is possible, the techniques themselves become less important and the clients can accept their repressed feelings more easily, thus accepting other people more easily. Usually this contributes to the client changing from within and in the direction they really want. Symptoms tend to lessen and even disappear because symptoms usually are mechanisms that protected the client in some way or another and are no longer needed when the client can start creating authentic relationships without having to hide his/her true feelings. This is also the reason why treatments that focus on eliminating symptoms usually don't contribute to a profound and lasting change.

The therapeutic relationship is always the key ingredient (of course it's not the only one, but probably the most important one) to a succesful therapy, not the intellectual knowledge of the therapist.

As I said before, the author of this thread didn't have the chance to build such a relationship since he was judged and labeled because of his psychedelic experience.


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