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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
    #24033308 - 01/23/17 01:46 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Who is they?

Psychologist are highly interested in psychoactive substances but research was stopped with the upcomming war on drugs in the early 70s. Since 2005 ongoing, research continues.

In the US MDMA was officially requested to be made legal for medical use (PTSD treatment) a few weeks ago. In several countries, research is conducted on LSD (Switzerland), Psilocybin (US) and Ayahuasca/DMT (Germany) for medical use and also basic science about consciousness.

Things are in progress, guys. Just be patient. Rome wasn´t built in a day. :smile:




I guess 'they' are not all psychologists, but those with poor professional and general background. The thing that pisses me off is that such professionals don't even know they suck. But ok, that unlucky consultation's so much in the past already.

Thanks for good news man, a historical thing indeed. Where can I read about this? Is it in shroomery news?


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #24034441 - 01/23/17 08:16 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

It could be doctors, psychologists, or psychiatrists, or nurses, key thing is most social workers have the same background if they're only in it for the money or a pseudo intellectual interest in people. There might be occasional ones who are more intelligent but that doesn't mean they have the same views as people interested in psychedelics. If a person does drugs like acid it could usually on mean one thing, they might be more schizoid than baseline or mental. Everyone knows the history of the drugs such as Hoffman and how they began in Switzerland and about Stephen Szára. Supposedly there were obscure drugs laws in USA that made research have to stop.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
    #24036440 - 01/24/17 03:55 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

:laugh: I totally agree. Some of those guys should rather take the mushies instead of advising people to abandon them.^^

A good source is the maps.org project. You could also try to contact the research departments directly or at least have a look at their publications. For Germany, Heidelberg University is the one with the Ayahuasca research for example.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
    #24036822 - 01/24/17 06:07 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

'Psychologists' and 'Psychiatrists' are not the same thing.

What most people think of when hearing the term 'psychologist' is actually a 'psychiatrist'.

They're both in the mental-health specialty, but they're not the same thing.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: eeso]
    #24036963 - 01/24/17 06:52 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Thats nearly right. Psychologists are from the scientific branch, the researchers.
What is usually considered as a psychologist is actually a psychological psychotherapist. Those guys need to study psychology first and then study psychotherapy. They are more specialized on affective or personality disorders.
A psychiatrist is from the medical branch and has studied medicine. After that he needs to become a medical specialist for psychiatry. They are mostly specialized on more severe mental illnesses (those with the loss of connection to reality).
There are also physicians who have specialized in psychotherapy. One major factor is, that physicians are allowed to prescribe drugs and psychological psychotherapists are not.
This may deviate in parts from country to country. I described the German situation.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
    #24037014 - 01/24/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I've only spoken to an 'actual' psychologist (PhD) a handful of times a couple years ago. WAY different experiences than the many 'psychiatrists' (drug 'pushers') I've had.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: eeso]
    #24037253 - 01/24/17 08:47 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Psychologists and psychiatrists are primarily interested in the same thing through what they study. Once they get a job it's usually around the same field, just a different role. So the psychologist is just interested in the human mind through theory and the literature and psychiatrists can prescribe medication, and are concerned with how it might affect the human mind and what's important from it. Their viewpoint can be a little different because of the background and what they study. Obviously when they work together you might see one after the other, if you have a therapist that studied social work or psychology they might be able to refer you to a psychiatrist. On the other hand psychology can hardly be said to be an actual science whether it's young or not, as it's usually considered soft. You do have all kinds of scholars in most fields however. Some would say there's little to be gained from seeing social workers unless it's rehab and they're trying to get sober.


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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Blabble40]
    #24045707 - 01/28/17 05:09 AM (7 years, 2 days ago)

Psychology can be approached scientifically and every psychological phenomena can be studied using the scientific method.

However, when it comes to therapy, science is not the most important thing at all. Lots of unexperienced psychologist and even more experienced ones believe that only scientifically proven methods of behaviour changing (i.e cognitive behavioral therapy) are useful in therapy and that's completely wrong. In therapy the most important thing is to be able to create an authentic relationship in which the client can feel unconditionally accepted, listened to and understood. This is entirely different from using scientifically proven techniques although these aspects that help the client solve his/her issues can be studied using the scientific method.

When this relationship I'm talking about is possible, the techniques themselves become less important and the clients can accept their repressed feelings more easily, thus accepting other people more easily. Usually this contributes to the client changing from within and in the direction they really want. Symptoms tend to lessen and even disappear because symptoms usually are mechanisms that protected the client in some way or another and are no longer needed when the client can start creating authentic relationships without having to hide his/her true feelings. This is also the reason why treatments that focus on eliminating symptoms usually don't contribute to a profound and lasting change.

The therapeutic relationship is always the key ingredient (of course it's not the only one, but probably the most important one) to a succesful therapy, not the intellectual knowledge of the therapist.

As I said before, the author of this thread didn't have the chance to build such a relationship since he was judged and labeled because of his psychedelic experience.


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