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Chakanooga
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Lucis]
#24012860 - 01/15/17 06:56 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Bumped a two month old thread lul.
But well said nonetheless. I was gonna comment the same thing how there are professionals who lack empathy, but I see you got it. I hope OP is okay.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Chakanooga]
#24014916 - 01/16/17 02:34 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Totally ok, thanks!
I didn't notice the last response so I also have to say I totally agree with that.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#24019240 - 01/18/17 07:08 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Loooooooooool academic education often produces such unprofessional qualities in entry level psychology....I've met a few psychologists like this...
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: 1Love1] 1
#24019378 - 01/18/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I've had a meeting with a psychologist once and she called me a drug addict because I told her I would rather smoke weed than take those nasty pain/anxiety pills I was prescribed. Never went back there, never will and i'm happy about it.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: OUTofBODY25]
#24020792 - 01/18/17 05:44 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Make sure you see someone with a Master's Degree at least, or a PhD, in the field of psychology.
Those 'counselors' are a joke, those people that are just doing a job for money, because they earnt a diploma in hypnotherapy or some shit. LOL.
Stay away from those clinics . . .
I had one load up Google and say 'I can help you through this' and it's like, "here are some positive statements to remember."
hahaha
Psychology is quite far behind other sciences but that's partly because of stupid shit like behaviourism taking the spotlight for so long. Behaviourism doesn't even allow for the prospect of subjectivity, and it's supposed to be the study of subjective phenomena.
Psychology has consciousness expansion to study, yet. Once that happens, it will blossom.
Higher consciousness is real.
But the current stuff, it's quite good, it just depends on if you're smart enough to actually understand it?
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: beforethedawn]
#24021596 - 01/18/17 10:34 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Honestly, I think you really do want to stay far away from them. They'll have you instituted. And they just won't listen, they aren't trained for that, they'll just say yeah yeah and probably prescribe an anti-schizophrenic. Find a shaman instead.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: beforethedawn]
#24021980 - 01/19/17 04:59 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Nah, that´s not correct. Psychology is far behind other sciences because it is a very young science. We still aproach new subjects every day. Even younger are high resolution imaging techniques, which help us understand neuronal connections and functions, so we can correlate them with behaviour and thought processes. To expect, that all that stuff is completely understood and that every therapist can understand his/her patient in the blink of an eye is preposterous. If the brain was constructed in a simple and understandable way we would not be capable of understanding it. But there is hope: This year the first fMRI study of a brain under the influence of LSD was published and research on that topic has been conducted since several years. The stigma from the 70s finally seems overcome. And now stop bashing psychologists, one is listening. :P (Bashing incapable psychotherapists, like the one the OP met, is still ok^^)
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kyu
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Blabble40]
#24027937 - 01/21/17 11:08 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Blabble40 said: Honestly, I think you really do want to stay far away from them. They'll have you instituted. And they just won't listen, they aren't trained for that, they'll just say yeah yeah and probably prescribe an anti-schizophrenic. Find a shaman instead.
Don't you confuse psychologists with psychiatrists? Psychologists don't prescribe drugs. They just, like, prescribe you to say 'yeah yeah' to yourself every morning.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#24027954 - 01/21/17 11:12 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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In general, they have so many schools in psychology constantly arguing with each other.
And there even is no agreement regarding the main subject of psychology. And no actual definition of the 'psyche'. And no methodology to study all this subjective stuff.
I really don't see psychology as a science. Even though there are some very good points. And it's sometimes worth it in practice. But only sometimes, unfortunately.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#24028030 - 01/21/17 11:43 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Nope,nope and nope...
Of course scientists argue with each other, because models are developed cnstantly and theories are proven wrong. THat is, how science works.
The main subject of psychology is to describe, explain and predict human thought and behavior. The methology orientates on general research theory, uses empirical methods, statistical and mathematical models and aims at least to correlate factors, better to prove causalities via experiments.
You would gain more insights, if you ventured deeper into the subject. Please do not confuse psychology, which is the scientific branch with psychotherapy.
As far as psychoanalysis is considered, I would agree that there is a lack of methodology, since it does not (inherent in the system) match the scientific quality criterions of objectivity, reliability and validity.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#24028121 - 01/21/17 12:26 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Hello! New here, but I had a very insane experience where I thought the world was all a giant alien conspiracy against me lol. For me it was really always me thinking of it and it becoming real. Kept me locked up a bit in my room and not want to socialize. Even if people were talking they would be that thing that was always there. Ended up actually being court ordered to be psycho analyzed with a bunch of "looneys" who couldn't come back from their mind alterations because they kept drugging them. Refused to take the drugs they gave me, and got out of their in 10 days Then I got really involved in the real life itself and stopped smoking marijuana. Every time I have smoked marijuana after that the idea intensifies so I was really wary of taking shrooms too.
The way I stepped out of it was intensifying my faith in love. Love for all ideas and thoughts and giving the dark bits their respective love to exist if they choose. Trying to lose a sense of my way is the best way to all ways are equally awesome I just want to go this path cause I am gravitated towards light so good luck to you and me! lol eventually that thing went away enough that I came over my fears enough to get a good job and be healthy social and trying new mind deviations again.
Just got through my first shroom trip and it was awesome. Feeling much happy, hope you feel better! and maybe my 1.5 cents if not help, then let you know there are much of us out there but to someone whose reality has been books and chemicals brainwashed into their idea of healing, maybe accepting an alternative way of healing is just too much for them. so good luck to your much deserving of enlightenment psychologist. Ditch her and find healing within and hopefully she does as well.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Themadnomad]
#24028157 - 01/21/17 12:48 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Themadnomad said: Hello! New here, but I had a very insane experience where I thought the world was all a giant alien conspiracy against me lol.
i had a similar thing happen. i had what was called the "truman show Delusion" i thought i was God and everyone secretly knew that
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Themadnomad]
#24028178 - 01/21/17 12:56 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Themadnomad said: Every time I have smoked marijuana after that the idea intensifies
I'm the same after smoking for thirty years I haven't for the last three.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Buster_Brown] 1
#24028292 - 01/21/17 02:01 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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True, you can say the discipline is young. Basically, the substances are taboo and you can generally be locked up for possession and intent to distribute, so there's that stigma with them. They aren't generally trained in the psychedelic literature. All they know is that they can make you schizophrenic and delusional - they are schedule 1 so have no recognized medical use. If you say otherwise that's largely underground knowledge and a rebellious belief system. Whether you want to fight the power or not is largely up to you, but as has been mentioned there is some progress being made such as with new studies using brain scan imaging techniques and with the backing of major organizations. For example MAPS is currently funding a project to study the effects of MDMA on PTSD. It's a good start and if that can get legalized, well, seeing how it is related to methamphetamine and Adderall, maybe we can see more public education on substances and less stigmatization in the near future.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Blabble40]
#24028445 - 01/21/17 03:20 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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i dislike them mixing feelings and stigma with objective science and still want to have the label of "real science". The way they vilify these substances is not based on sound science but rather emotion.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE] 1
#24028503 - 01/21/17 03:46 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Who is they?
Psychologist are highly interested in psychoactive substances but research was stopped with the upcomming war on drugs in the early 70s. Since 2005 ongoing, research continues.
In the US MDMA was officially requested to be made legal for medical use (PTSD treatment) a few weeks ago. In several countries, research is conducted on LSD (Switzerland), Psilocybin (US) and Ayahuasca/DMT (Germany) for medical use and also basic science about consciousness.
Things are in progress, guys. Just be patient. Rome wasn´t built in a day.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
#24028528 - 01/21/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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i just mean this whole bullshit about how if you are interested in having a psychedelic experience then most will claim "oh you're a drug addict because you are interested in altered states of consciousness" and then try to tell you that you are sick and in need of help. This is what OP was complaining about, and we recently had another thread with someone complaining about that same thing. i think many fail to recognize that the human urge to alter ones state of consciousness is not a sign of disorder but rather a sign of interest in the mysterious which is vital to our evolution and perfectly natural imo. there is this panic when someone mentions psychedelic and you are unable to have a rational un-biased discussion about it.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE]
#24029484 - 01/22/17 12:38 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Psychologists, are all about money, when I was about 18 before leaving for college, my mom said I needed to see a psychologist, I thought this may have dealt with the fact that I was born premature at 2.1 pounds. I sat in the waiting room for 45 minutes met the psychologist for five minutes, he asked how are you I replied good how are you?.. Asked if I was having any mental problems said no, how about you? Think that pissed him off.. Next thing I know the psychologist puts me on a three day health hold in a mental hospital, cost me 8 grand, they tried to give me anti-psychotic medicine that I refused to take. All about money in my case to the government and psychologist. I did meet a few people that were way out in the few days I spent at the hospital, I don't think many of them got released. It was a weird experience in all, but costly.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE] 1
#24029573 - 01/22/17 02:38 AM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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SleepyE said: i just mean this whole bullshit about how if you are interested in having a psychedelic experience then most will claim "oh you're a drug addict because you are interested in altered states of consciousness" and then try to tell you that you are sick and in need of help. This is what OP was complaining about, and we recently had another thread with someone complaining about that same thing. i think many fail to recognize that the human urge to alter ones state of consciousness is not a sign of disorder but rather a sign of interest in the mysterious which is vital to our evolution and perfectly natural imo. there is this panic when someone mentions psychedelic and you are unable to have a rational un-biased discussion about it.
The almighty taboo only lends to the suggestion that psychedelics are a key to knowledge that people are subconsciously scared to face and scared to know.
For myself, the taboo and the fear have been a primary motivator for me to consume them and look deeper into spiritual and religious aspects, asking myself the question 'What is everyone fearing?'. I think the answer is 'themselves'. The world is a populous of insecurity, and so the time when the taboo dissipates will be when the insecurities fade - should they ever.
It's one great catch 22. The psychedelic has the potential solution to a problem, but the problem itself is exactly why people are scared of psychedelics.
There's evidently two forms of 'leap of faith'. One that allows for enlightenment by naturally relinquishing the destructive ego (know as 'repentance') and the other the trust in consuming a substance in order to learn and bring the mind to the same end - free of destructive ego and unnecessary fear.
People simply fear themselves and the unknown, akin to a system dependant prisoner of fifty years entering back into an expansive, free society. The taboo of psychedelics is their cherished security, bolting the door, keeping them safe within.
This is the comfort of sin.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE] 1
#24030748 - 01/22/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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SleepyE said: i just mean this whole bullshit about how if you are interested in having a psychedelic experience then most will claim "oh you're a drug addict because you are interested in altered states of consciousness" and then try to tell you that you are sick and in need of help. This is what OP was complaining about, and we recently had another thread with someone complaining about that same thing. i think many fail to recognize that the human urge to alter ones state of consciousness is not a sign of disorder but rather a sign of interest in the mysterious which is vital to our evolution and perfectly natural imo. there is this panic when someone mentions psychedelic and you are unable to have a rational un-biased discussion about it.
Yeah, that indeed is a problem, but not a problem of the psychologists branch itself. Of course there are open minded and skilled psychologists out there but also stupid assholes. One needs to find the good guys.
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