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kyu
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I regret visiting that 'psychologist'
#23797626 - 11/03/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I once had a very scary trip on shrooms, where I totally believed I was possessed by a demon. I know it's bullshit, but I had experienced such inexpressible fear that I just needed some support to recover.
So I went to that psychologist.
And the last thing I needed for the moment was the anti-drug lecture she provided. The bitch thinks all drugs are the same, all people who take drugs are the same. Neither did she listen to me, nor even take into account my objections afterwards. She believes she's the best.
I needed empathy and some help in integrating the experience. But instead I faced moralistic stuff, stigmatizing diagnoses (and she's not even a doctor) and some shitty compassion like 'You're an addict, but something inside you is still fighting'.
I hate people very seldom, but it's the case. Fuck her.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#23797632 - 11/03/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lmfao... Psychology is still so far behind that I still consider it a sham.
The best psychologist I ever saw was named psilocybin.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#23797642 - 11/03/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would recommend finding someone who has at least taken mushrooms before to help you talk through your experience. Anyone who hasn't done mushrooms doesn't know what it's like lol.
Try talking to some people on here or find youtube videos of people who've had similar experiences.
Good luck! And just remember bad trips can be as equally beneficial as good trips. Try to think through what the mushroom is trying to show you.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: impaired420] 1
#23797649 - 11/03/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too bad you didn't experience someone like my dad. He was psychiatrist and he had a private practice from 1965 to 1995. He started during the time when LSD was legal and independent research was going on. I don't think he did any research, but he read the journals and found the whole thing very interesting. And he said many times that he believed psychedelics could possibly be an important tool for therapy. He told me about one guy who was a hippy-type, who, for one session brought in a stereo system and had my dad listen to The Who's "Quadraphenia". The guy also made him listen to some Beatles and some Hendrix, saying that this music described the way he felt. My dad was very understanding about drugs, he was cool guy.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#23797667 - 11/03/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You would have been better off going to talk to a priest. A priest would probably have a better understanding and be far more down to earth than a psychologist, and you can speak to a priest for free.
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kyu
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Universe]
#23797696 - 11/03/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh yes, low doses of mushrooms are a good way to integrate what you've seen in a high-dose trip.
And I do have a couple of friends who are even more experienced than me, I should have discussed this with them rather than seek 'professional help'.
Cool indeed, Universe! I wish my dad was like that.
Thanks. See ya.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: wicca mixer]
#23797707 - 11/03/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Our orthodoxal church is pretty much 'medievalish'. I'm afraid a priest would encourage my paranoid fears. Or not. It depends.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#23797734 - 11/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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kyu said: Our orthodoxal church is pretty much 'medievalish'. I'm afraid a priest would encourage my paranoid fears. Or not. It depends.
definitely no priest. you'll get the same bullshit only instead of "you're an addict" it will be "you are being tempted by the devil"
These people have had years of propaganda and false information and fear programed into them that they have no clue what is going on. I would think that someone who is a psychologist would at least be keeping up with the latest research and studies. its weird they are oblivious to the studies saying it can be effective addiction/ptsd/ocd treatment etc..
if you go there again just do this and a look for someone else
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Edited by SleepyE (11/03/16 01:47 PM)
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE]
#23798190 - 11/03/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Detail the trip a little more if you don't mind. I had a trip once in which I was a demon. If our trips were similar enough, I could talk with you about it.
It kind of messed with my head a little for a while also. It still racks my brain quite a bit, but I don't get so drawn,in and worried about it anymore. I just think on it occasionally, still trying to bring about some sort of meaning to it.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: thebug76]
#23798645 - 11/03/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its all part of what you needed to figure out from the trip. The mushrooms showed you a great fear inside of yourself. You went to someone else to calm the fear for you. That failed. Here you are on the shroomery writing about it. The trip is still be integrated in your psyche. Months or years from now this will all make a lot more sense. Maybe what the mushrooms were showing you all along is that you have to faces the fear inside of you and no one else can help you do it.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#23799097 - 11/03/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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kyu said: Oh yes, low doses of mushrooms are a good way to integrate what you've seen in a high-dose trip.
And I do have a couple of friends who are even more experienced than me, I should have discussed this with them rather than seek 'professional help'.
Cool indeed, Universe! I wish my dad was like that.
Thanks. See ya.

I can understand your frustration with that psychologist. I have had hard times after heavy trips that I longed to talk to someone about my experience. Lucky that I found the shroomery and a good book called Psychedelic Healing by Neal Goldsmith.
Psychedelics are so controversial in society that we are automatically diagnosed as drug addicts for being honest and open by trying to talk to someone in the medical field.
MAPS.org has some professional Psychologists listed on their website and also tons of great information. I have found it helpful to go back and trip again to make sense of confusion from difficult trip.
Best of luck
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#23805555 - 11/06/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear you had such a bad experience where you didn't get the empathy you needed OP. Looks like you went to a pretty bad psychologist. This is why every psychotherapist and psychiatrist should go through therapy before working with patients.
Not all psychologists and psychiatrists are like that at all, but it's true lots of them think they know what the people seeking their help have to do in their lifes (as if they were somehow superior), instead of truly listening to them and helping them discover what they need to do with their lifes in order to feel better.
If you are atill struggling with this experience, I recommend finding a better therapist who is truly interested in your personal experience and needs. I know these kind of things often make people loose confidence in psychologists and therapists in general, but there are lots of good ones out there.
I wish you the best
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Farnaby1984]
#23805626 - 11/06/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont understand how you can be a licensed psychologist and not understand the difference between taking something like methamphetamine and taking psilocybin.
not all drugs are equal, how can these people go through school and not understand how drugs interact with our psychology, or even the proper definition of addiction.
Addiction means "I cannot stop taking a drug no matter how much i try."
not "I like taking drugs on the occasion because i enjoy it and appreciate the experience."
This is fucking pitiful. What the fuck are they teaching them!? These people bring their own ideology and arbitrary morals into the situation to convince what you are doing is deplorable.
like would they give the same fucking trash to a person in a tribe or culture which has been using these things ritually for hundreds of years? Probably.. Because that is how fucking ignorant of history and psychology they are.
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Edited by SleepyE (11/06/16 08:07 AM)
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: SleepyE] 1
#23805933 - 11/06/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SleepyE said: i dont understand how you can be a licensed psychologist and not understand the difference between taking something like methamphetamine and taking psilocybin.
not all drugs are equal, how can these people go through school and not understand how drugs interact with our psychology, or even the proper definition of addiction.
Addiction means "I cannot stop taking a drug no matter how much i try."
not "I like taking drugs on the occasion because i enjoy it and appreciate the experience."
This is fucking pitiful. What the fuck are they teaching them!? These people bring their own ideology and arbitrary morals into the situation to convince what you are doing is deplorable.
like would they give the same fucking trash to a person in a tribe or culture which has been using these things ritually for hundreds of years? Probably.. Because that is how fucking ignorant of history and psychology they are.
I agree with you. It's due to a lot of factors such as lack of information on different substances and also what you said: bringing their own morals and ideology into the situation. That's why I said it's absolutely necessay that psychologists and psychotherapists go to therapy themselves before treating people. Unfortunately, lots of universities don't encourage their students to do so, in my country this is especially frequent among behavioral psychologists and of course psychiatrists. This makes them not understand their own prejudices and emotions, which then get projected into the therapeutic (or maybe I should say anti therapeutic in this cases) relationship.
In a nutshell, I wouldn't recommend visiting any psychologist who hasn't been to therapy him or herself.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Farnaby1984]
#23806003 - 11/06/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah man she is an ignorant fuck. But some psychologists can help, and talks with friends can help, it just depends, we live in a sad society
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kyu
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: DerPda]
#23809770 - 11/07/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow, thanks everyone for your responses and support!
I think I'll try another psychologist soon. I went to that one in desperation and was very disappointed when understood she cannot help.
Anyway, nobody can do my 'trip homework' for me. And it's not only about the last particular trip. I'll have to review everything that happened to me during these five years and try to understand and integrate the experiences. The most difficult part is to overcome my esoteric thinking.
Now it seems the demon expressed my inner conflicts. It's mostly fear of myself, my suppressed aggression. I noticed I feel similar sensations in serious conflict situations when I have to defend myself. I don't accept my aggression and in the trip I perceived it as something separate, a demon trying to 'take control'. If it's true, he is a part of me and not something dangerous I have to get rid of.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: Headrush]
#23809874 - 11/07/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Headrush said: I can understand your frustration with that psychologist. I have had hard times after heavy trips that I longed to talk to someone about my experience. Lucky that I found the shroomery and a good book called Psychedelic Healing by Neal Goldsmith.
Psychedelics are so controversial in society that we are automatically diagnosed as drug addicts for being honest and open by trying to talk to someone in the medical field.
MAPS.org has some professional Psychologists listed on their website and also tons of great information. I have found it helpful to go back and trip again to make sense of confusion from difficult trip.
Best of luck
Thanks, will try 'Psychedelic Healing'.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: kyu]
#23809887 - 11/07/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did she try and charge you? It's mind blowing how close minded some people are. They will take any opportunity they can to feel superior to you.
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Re: I regret visiting that 'psychologist' [Re: impaired420]
#24012754 - 01/15/17 05:57 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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impaired420 said: Lmfao... Psychology is still so far behind that I still consider it a sham.
I take it your understanding of the human mind is phenomenal to be able to make such a statement, either that or you don't understand the field well. You will have doctors that will treat you like shit because they view their job as a decent source of income, then you have doctors who are passionate about their work, and actually care about helping others, and the money is the second prize in their eyes, with the patients well being often holding precedence.
You need to try to find a doctor who actually does what a doctor is supposed to do, help you become stronger in whatever way they can, and not just view you as a paycheck.
I promise you a proper psychologist will be fascinated by your use of psychedelics, will not reprimand you for being human and wanting to explore the mind, after all many psychologists explore the mind, just in a different manner than you and I.
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SleepyE said: These people have had years of propaganda and false information and fear programed into them that they have no clue what is going on.
That's a blanket statement if I ever heard one, you sound just like the psychologist telling everyone that uses mushrooms that they are bad substances, propaganda can come from the psychedelic community as well, don't forget people that use psychs are humans too, and subject to the same behaviors when trying to form a conclusion on an issue, they will often try to find the side which backs up their claim.
Just because a person uses psychs, doesn't mean they're the messiah, just because a person hold a degree, doesn't mean they know a thing.
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