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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803628 - 11/05/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Rand is a hack like his father, libertarianism is a flop.




The biggest difference between libertarianism and liberalism is libertarians don't wanna raise taxes on the middle class, buncha fucking losers




People and especially businesses, cannot govern themselves, this has been demonstrated time and again. The BLM and USDA exist because of the insane practices of ranchers and etc private interests. Then we have child labor laws and protections for disabled people (etc).

That's what socialism is, the government becoming involved and fixing problems. If there's any fault with its application, that's at the fault of the people for not holding politicians accountable.

Libertarianism on the other-hand is a move away from the government having a hand, in a fundamentally run libertarian government there wouldn't be a BLM or USDA, so we would see the timber industry tear down whole states worth of lumber again, ranchers overgrazing and increasing soil degradation / desertification on an equal scale, etc. We also wouldn't have laws keeping children out of sweat factories, or those laws protecting gays/disabled etc, which exist for a reason.


Libertarianism is a half-baked philosophy, it serves the interests of the powerful who need oversight.
Socialism is nothing more than we make it, the rules and policies we allow as a society.

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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23803641 - 11/05/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, socialism is defined as public ownership of the means of production.

The government regulates businesses, but they dont own them.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803649 - 11/05/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually, socialism is defined as public ownership of the means of production.

The government regulates businesses, but they dont own them.




That's par for the course depending on the industry

You're right though I'm not using the right term, I'm referring to what libertarianism is not, government involvement vs passive government.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23803655 - 11/05/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty much everything except anarchy is to the left of libertarianism, that just highlights how batshit of a philosophy it is.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803656 - 11/05/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People and especially businesses, cannot govern themselves




Yep, good thing we have daddy govt to micromanage every fucking aspect of our lives :facepalm:


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803663 - 11/05/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not even close


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23803682 - 11/05/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People and especially businesses, cannot govern themselves




Yep, good thing we have daddy govt to micromanage every fucking aspect of our lives :facepalm:




That's what voting's for, if you don't like a law - vote against it.

You don't throw your car away when you run out of gas, its illogical to throw out government because you disagree with a law.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23803686 - 11/05/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People and especially businesses, cannot govern themselves




Yep, good thing we have daddy govt to micromanage every fucking aspect of our lives :facepalm:




That's what voting's for, if you don't like a law - vote against it.

You don't throw your car away when you run out of gas, its illogical to throw out government because you disagree with a law.




I couldn't agree more, it's too bad most people are sheep and have grown accustomed to having govt control

Freedom is something despised more than cherished in today's culture


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803722 - 11/05/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People and especially businesses, cannot govern themselves




Yep, good thing we have daddy govt to micromanage every fucking aspect of our lives :facepalm:




That's what voting's for, if you don't like a law - vote against it.

You don't throw your car away when you run out of gas, its illogical to throw out government because you disagree with a law.




I couldn't agree more, it's too bad most people are sheep and have grown accustomed to having govt control





Good thing you just changed the quote in your sig that completely contradicts that admission.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23803750 - 11/05/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You're kidding right?


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803771 - 11/05/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No I'm The Ecstatic


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23803778 - 11/05/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Freedom is something despised more than cherished in today's culture




:curbyourenthusiasm::lolsy::ilold:

if it isn't "your type" of freedom your culture does the same....but still...DOWN WITH THE MARXIST SCHOOL-TEACHERS POISONING OUR YOUTH...DAMN LIBERAL ARTS!


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23804016 - 11/05/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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And ultimately you still haven't given solid reasons for why we can assume GWB JR (or Mike Tyson) are actually dumb, outside of personal gut feeling.  But what this argument is really boiling down to is defining intelligence, which is something that could go on forever.




LOL, it's called "analysis," not "gut feeling." :lolsy:

You can tell a lot about a person's intellect by watching their interviews. I could tell Mike Tyson was a dummy simply by watching him speak.

Seriously, watch Michio Kaku speak, and then watch Mike Tyson or GW Bush Jr speak side by side. You really can't tell that one person is clearly more intelligent than the other?

Hell, even compare somebody who isn't an academic, somebody who is more average or normal, to Mike Tyson... watch a comedian like Chris Rock speak, and then watch Mike Tyson speak... you really can't tell that Chris Rock is a lot more intelligent than Mike Tyson?

And it turns out I was right, I am reading about Mike Tyson's past right now. Turns out Time Magazine did a story on him in the late 80's. It was stated that his academic counselor in junior high school gave him an IQ test, and the results showed Mike Tyson to be "mildly retarded," with an IQ of somewhere in his 70's. He was therefore classified as "learning disabled" at the age of 11.

Remember when he was serving a 6 year prison sentence for rape? That's when he was able to raise his reading level from 4th grade to 12th grade, and pass his GED as an adult.

So of course, it comes as no surprise to me that Mike Tyson is voting for Donald Trump. :lol:

The fact that you even QUESTION that somebody is able to discern another person's intelligence by simply observing them, makes me legitimately wonder and worry about you.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23804023 - 11/05/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Also in Donald Trumps documentary Mike Tyson says Donald paid him more then any other fight prometer he had . 20million $ a fight Tyson claimed


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23804073 - 11/05/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, but Ben Carson also supports Trump. And this guy supports Hillary, sooo..do you still wanna use that argument?



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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23804105 - 11/05/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is one of my primary reasons I find trump unacceptable. The way he speaks demonstrates his inability to focus on anything for more than 30 seconds. He literally distracts himself with his own words. I'm not saying he's dumb, but he is very intellectually undisciplined and a very sloppy thinker.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: koods]
    #23804111 - 11/05/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I swear I've seen you call him an idiot multiple times though.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: koods]
    #23804116 - 11/05/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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This is one of my primary reasons I find trump unacceptable. The way he speaks demonstrates his inability to focus on anything for more than 30 seconds. He literally distracts himself with his own words. I'm not saying he's dumb, but he is very intellectually undisciplined and a very sloppy thinker.




Trump is not at all an intellectual type. In some ways this has turned out in his favor though, in terms of amassing the types of people who vote for him. Trump statistically is far more popular with uneducated poor whites, which is something that other candidates tend to lack popularity in.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23804125 - 11/05/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why are poor uneducated whites so hated by the left?

Are their votes worth less?


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    #23804130 - 11/05/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why are poor uneducated whites so hated by the left?

Are their votes worth less?




Let me guess, you're one of them.


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