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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23797622 - 11/03/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Since GJ has no realistic chance of winning, my vote went to the Libertarian party to do my part getting them to the 5% the party needs for federal money next election cycle.  I've voted Lib since my first vote in 2004.  2016 will be the year the Lib party truly started its ascent to becoming a legit third party this country so desperately needs.  A third party would hold accountable the entrenched two parties that rely on each others' power to limit competition and keep things going in one of two predictable directions.  Third party pulls the rug out on that bullshit.  But they need 5% of the popular vote for federal handjobs, and that'll go a long way to getting them on the debate stage in 2020 which is the goal for right now.  Donald Trump's insurgency campaign has all but guaranteed the 5% Lib vote this cycle.




I would like to add that I have heard "somewhere" that a majority of Americans aren't even aware that the Libertarian Party exists.  That baffles me that such ignorance and lack of information exists.  To be unaware that there are other choices out there is astounding.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23797678 - 11/03/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just about anybody looks like an awesome person next to Trump and Hillary


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Patlal]
    #23797731 - 11/03/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I would think even koods would know that neither the democratic or republican party are  at all wholesome.  Usually I don't listen to PeyoteZen much. In a different thread he said " You're not a libertarian" "Just fascinated by drug laws , he said "a slightly more tolerable liberal" and for the first time this election I completely agree with him. what really happened to me during this election was I got to a point where I personally feel if I voted for either Frump or Capitol HillCog 

i'd be betraying everything that I've built my morals, understanding, open-mindedness and in my opinion many other progressive thinking that'd be stifled from both major parties.

However I do like a lot of libertarian values , Government in general is extremely oppressive, helps some people while draining others.  The government should be able to tell us what to do and being self-sufficient wouldnt be the worst thing in the world.in many places around the world, they Institute trash collecting services that are not sponsored by the government. Often use solar panels, building a house from scratch. To me it kind of came down to " Government leaves me alone and I'll leave them alone "
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Just about anybody looks like an awesome person next to Trump and Hillary



True that


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23798188 - 11/03/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

he's a weirdo and about as libertarian as Pol Pot


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #23798200 - 11/03/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah go ahead and compare him to a person who has committed genocide on a massive scale.  I'm sure Johnson is just that bad.  I'll entertain you for a second though,what exactly does Gary Johnson do or say that isn't libertarianism?


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23798213 - 11/03/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

he supports the TPP and think's that bakers should be forced to sell gay wedding cakes. he's EXACTLY like Pol Pot


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #23798251 - 11/03/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You mean Pol Pot actually forced bakers to sell gay wedding cakes?  He's worse than I thought!  :frightening:


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23798257 - 11/03/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the more u kno


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Celestial Traveler] * 2
    #23798284 - 11/03/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You mean Pol Pot actually forced bakers to sell gay wedding cakes?  He's worse than I thought!  :frightening:




That didn't get a lot of attention due to the genocide.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23798286 - 11/03/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Just about anybody looks like an awesome person next to Trump and Hillary



Well that's just the thing. This year the two major third party candidates are quite weak even when compared to Trump and Clinton. Where Trump and Clinton lack in ideology and policy, the other two lack in leadership qualities, charisma and ability to really move people. I'd argue that Johnson lacks in both areas honestly, and really only has strong policy ideas in the very basic of most libertarian idealism, doesn't even seem like he has most of the practical stuff worked out.

I was a libertarian for a while, but I've moved far away from that over the years. Mainly because the ideas aren't always practical. I'd find myself occasionally defending or arguing against certain ideas for the sake of remaining ideologically consistent, as opposed to looking at it from a practical point of view. That's not a very good way to run government imo (anymore). A move to stricter constitutionalism is one thing, but a complete rejection of everything government down to the building of roads and the management of schools is a step in the wrong direction - and perhaps most importantly - not practical in any facet.

The tea party taught me that libertarian ideas can get through, but it's going to be all the bad ones. The few good ideas that make the party worth voting for never get incorporated into neither the conservative nor liberal parties, and you're truly left with consistently shitty policy. It's time for a new third party that isn't the extreme version of the two existing parties, but something even more moderate. In my opinion.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: koods]
    #23798299 - 11/03/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You mean Pol Pot actually forced bakers to sell gay wedding cakes?  He's worse than I thought!  :frightening:




That didn't get a lot of attention due to the genocide.




Leave it to the media to ignore the most important issues, and distract us with petty BS.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23799860 - 11/04/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't forget to definitively cast your vote in the BASHO - Trump vs Hillary


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23799890 - 11/04/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I would like to add that I have heard "somewhere" that a majority of Americans aren't even aware that the Libertarian Party exists.  That baffles me that such ignorance and lack of information exists.  To be unaware that there are other choices out there is astounding.




Every voting American should know that, I mean hello it's one of the party options listed when you register to vote.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: koods]
    #23799892 - 11/04/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Gary Johnson's running mate is voting for Clinton. :lol:

Seriously tho have you ever seen him interviewed? He's dumb as a bag of bricks.




Gary Johnson is arguably the worst presidential candidate the libertarian party has ever had since Bob Barr.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Crystal G]
    #23799975 - 11/04/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Gary Johnson's running mate is voting for Clinton. :lol:

Seriously tho have you ever seen him interviewed? He's dumb as a bag of bricks.




Gary Johnson is arguably the worst presidential candidate the libertarian party has ever had since Bob Barr.




Progressives will never get behind a libertarian candidate, the idea of cutting taxes on the middle class is something which they cannot abide


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23799990 - 11/04/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Gary Johnson is a moron.

I think less of every single person who advocates his candidacy. Including you, OP. I thought you were cool...


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23800002 - 11/04/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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koods said:
Gary Johnson's running mate is voting for Clinton. :lol:

Seriously tho have you ever seen him interviewed? He's dumb as a bag of bricks.




Gary Johnson is arguably the worst presidential candidate the libertarian party has ever had since Bob Barr.




Progressives will never get behind a libertarian candidate, the idea of cutting taxes on the middle class is something which they cannot abide



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Gary Johnson is a moron.

I think less of every single person who advocates his candidacy. Including you, OP. I thought you were cool...




Case in point, the guy has served 8 years as governor; you can read more about his business and political life here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23800016 - 11/04/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, unlike you, I form opinions AFTER I get the facts. I know all about Johnson. He's a moron.


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23800032 - 11/04/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, unlike you, I form opinions AFTER I get the facts. I know all about Johnson. He's a moron.




Well that's some great political analysis you have there. Good job:thumbup:


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Re: Gary Johnson seems like an awesome person. [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23800037 - 11/04/16 08:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

johnson is a cool person but hes so unfit to be president is not funny


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