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OfflineKalendula

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how to find a plant...
    #23797034 - 11/03/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The following post caught my attention and I'm interested in experimenting with this plant. Apparently it grows everywhere, and while it's nice to know that, I wonder if someone (here or otherwise) could give me directions on where I can find it that's closest to me.

Russian Olive: MAOi in Our Backyards

Christian Rätsch's encyclopedia lists many other plants that contain harman a.k.a. harmane,* (not harmine) so I want to throw it out there that I'm interested in any of those as well. Rätsch's list can be seen below. And I do know of the risks associated with ingesting plants that don't have an established reputation for ingesting.


*Source: Page 718. Plants That Contain MAO-Inhibiting β-Carbolines and May Be Useful for Ayahuasca Analogs. Note that I've also included plants that contain other beta-carboline chemicals and those chemicals are indicated for their respective plants.

Coriolus maximus (Mont.) Murrill
Ochrosia nakaiana Koidz
Newbouldoia laevisBenth. et Hook
Hammada leptodada (Pop) Iljin ... "tetrahydroharmane and others"
Kochia scoparia (L.) Schrad [syn. Bassia scoparia (L.) AJ. Scott] ... Contains harmine as well.
Guiera senegalensis Lam.
Elaeagnus hortensis M.B. ... "tetrahydroharmane and others"
Elaeagnus orientalis L. ... "tetrahydroharmane"
Elaeagnus spinosa L. ... "tetrahydroharmane"
Hippophae rhamnoides L.
Shepherdia argentea Nutt. ... "tetrahydroharmol"
Shepherdia canadensis Nutt. ... "tetrahydroharmol"
Arundo donax L. ... "tetrahydroharmane and others"
Festuca arundinacea Schreber
Lolium perenne L.
Acacia baileyana F. v. Muell ... "tetrahydroharmane"
Acacia complanata A. Cunn. ... "tetrahydroharmane"
Burkea africana Hook.
Calliandra pentandra ... "tetrahydroharmine"
Desmodium pulchellum Benth. ex Bak.
Mucuna pruriens DC. ... "6-methoxyharmane"
Petalostylis labicheoides R. Brown ... "tetrahydroharmane"
Petalostylis labicheoides var. cassioides ... "tetrahydroharmane, N,N-DMT")
Prosopis nigra (Griseb.) Heironymus ...
StrychnosusambarensisGUg. (cf. Strychnos spp.)


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Re: how to find a plant... [Re: Kalendula]
    #23798112 - 11/03/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All of my seeds have failed, but I have found it, in most nursery catalogs.

This is apparently one of those erosion-control plants, which walks that fine line between hard-to-kill and invasive, depending on your climate. You should probably check to see whether there are any local reports of scary, unmanageable overgrowth.


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Re: how to find a plant... [Re: durian_2008]
    #23799099 - 11/03/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They grow like weeds here, popping up uninvited everywhere, and if you cut them right down to the ground they'll resprout from the stump.


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Re: how to find a plant... [Re: jimmyBbuffet]
    #23810726 - 11/07/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How is the flavor, or does it just seem like landscaping?


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Re: how to find a plant... [Re: durian_2008]
    #23941918 - 12/19/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Dang I hate to revive a dead thread like this but can't leave the question unanswered.

They are certainly intended for landscaping, actually primarily for errosion resistance on hills and riverbanks. I did recently taste the fruit out of curiosity though. Not something one would likely go out of their way to eat but not inedible either. Almost an anise after taste.


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Re: how to find a plant... [Re: jimmyBbuffet]
    #23943071 - 12/20/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I would consider Eleagnus for purposes of permaculture, as in a hedgerow, and have since ordered a plant.

In my semi-arid area, there are heavy, winter winds, and hot, summer sun. Hardy plants shelter more-tender ones.

For Kalendula's purposes, it would be useful to know how much of the active principle is in each plant, and how much would it take to affect a person.


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