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Filterhead462
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Level 6?
#23796861 - 11/03/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So this may seem strange to a lot of people because we always refer to level 5 being the highest level of the psychedelic experience or the point where it is so beyond our perceptions that it would be near impossible to even grasp anything beyond what this level describes Anyway this my brief interpretation of a possibility of a level 6 experience, call it a strong level 5 or whatever but ill explain what i experience and make of it as you want 
So ever since my first level 5 experience i become highly intrigued so much so it became my goal, i always upped the dose to attempt to see how deep this rabbit hole could go. I attempted this exploration on a number of different substances. LSD couldnt get me there, so i focused on DMT smoked and Ayahuasca, Mushrooms with and without MAOI and Ketamine (not a true psych but defiantly produces a level 5)
My substance of choice was of course mushrooms, the reason why is it had this truly merciless nature about it and its ease of access. So brief background on the mushrooms before i go into it, i had used cubes with Syrian rue but this time i used P.subs however these were extremely strong unlike anything i had ever had before. So the dose was around 7 grams powdered in tea with a shit ton of citrus juice, and 4 grams of rue.
Now this experience was very different to a normal level 5 experience, it pretty much skipped the whole leaving the body, ego death and reality dissolving (this did occur but didn't even notice because what was happening what beyond that). So i can only describe this place as the hurricane, it was a merciless chaos constantly shredding and replacing reality with alternate planes of existence but these were extremely alien and unbelievable strange. It was almost as if the trip itself was tripping (lack of better wording), it couldn't gain structure, it just twisted and broke itself down to the point it was like being in the middle of a psychedelic hurricane, the trip had no control of itself (extremely hard to explain).
But there was no fear, just confusion and omnipotence/omnipresence. Alot of extremely profound things happened but alot of things to strange/ for the human mind did as well. So yeah though someone might find that interesting, I've had a few level 5 trips before but this was something else
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La Flama Blanca
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sounds fascinating, though not particularly pleasant. almost sounds like what i'd imagine it would be like trying to experience the realm of our creator with human perception. whats most surprising though is it didn't sound like you were having a bad time. you weren't afraid for your safety, life, ect? those are such base instincts, its hard for me to imagine tripping so hard you leave them behind as they are at our very core...hence the term instincts.
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Still a level 5, maybe even the border between 4 & 5.....kinda sounds like that tbh. It doesn't always follow the same pattern. More you do it, the more things will get different.
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Filterhead462
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"Realm of the creator with human perception" I quite like that dude Yeah it wasnt pleasant but it was beyond emotion so wasnt fear or pleasure, i was like a sack of meat with a brain that functioned like a computer but what i was trying to compute was to much I was alarming because of the shit that was happening was extremely chaotic and confusing because i couldnt grasp stability even for a second
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Dark_Star said: Still a level 5, maybe even the border between 4 & 5.....kinda sounds like that tbh. It doesn't always follow the same pattern. More you do it, the more things will get different.
It sounds like the OP still had his ego at least partially intact, a true level 5 you don't even attempt to describe really bc it's just not possible, it's not something that can be processed in the logical mind, much less then put into words. This is why descriptions of level 5 don't really exist, they're non descriptions, eg 'beyound level 4, indescribable, reality loses all meaning.'
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PrimalSoup
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Filterhead462 said: ...
Now this experience was very different to a normal level 5 experience, it pretty much skipped the whole leaving the body, ego death and reality dissolving (this did occur but didn't even notice because what was happening what beyond that). So i can only describe this place as the hurricane, it was a merciless chaos constantly shredding and replacing reality with alternate planes of existence but these were extremely alien and unbelievable strange. It was almost as if the trip itself was tripping (lack of better wording), it couldn't gain structure, it just twisted and broke itself down to the point it was like being in the middle of a psychedelic hurricane, the trip had no control of itself (extremely hard to explain).
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Y'all gotta let it go when this happens. It's like the wind blowing from the endlessly potentiated multiverse - it can blow on you or it can blow through you. 
Hope that makes some sense, I really don't put much stock in the whole level thing, YMMV mine sure does.
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Aldebaran
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Now this experience was very different to a normal level 5 experience, it pretty much skipped the whole leaving the body, ego death and reality dissolving (this did occur but didn't even notice because what was happening what beyond that). So i can only describe this place as the hurricane, it was a merciless chaos constantly shredding and replacing reality with alternate planes of existence but these were extremely alien and unbelievable strange.
Would you say your trip shifted into something more dissociative and less psychedelic?

I think with the transcendent "ego-death" type trip you are breaking down the normal networks within your brain that produce a unified experience of daily life, and then re-synchronizing around another type of consciousness that is quite different and has much deeper links to things that would normally be subconscious.
I wouldn't say this kind of trip is necessarily the strongest you can have; I think you can overshoot the dose and end up in something more chaotic which doesn't have the same feeling of unity and transcendence......call it a psychedelic hurricane or level 6 if you like (although sometimes the way into an ego-death experience feels a bit like that too).
I've had a few trips which pushed me into a type of very confusing mindfuck, although they weren't completely "out there" level 5 trips, more like semi-conscious psychedelic fever-dreams. Sometimes the earlier part of the trip had a more transcendent feel before continuing relentlessly further into insanity. I think of this as "the zoo" where there is nothing but a kind of churning maelstrom where it feels as though you are being continually obliterated only to end up back in the same semi-conscious confusing nightmare.
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I think it's when you get the fear and you aren't able to deal with it, you don't want it, you can't stop it.
When you sit with your head in your hands and you don't dare to close your eyes. The room glows with pure evil and there are endless depths of horror opening up inside your mind. An overwhelming sense of wrongness and persistent dread. Drifting half-asleep through subterranean nightmare and waking into thought-loops and panic. Waiting to die as the pressure of the trip crushes your mind and the blind panic rages through your body. When you seem to be sharing the trip with the dead and a whole zoo full of demonic forms which are eating their way through your mind. When to give in to the trip just leaves you sinking into another layer of paranoid delusion and alien enslavement. When the whole trip becomes a hostile environment that you are trying to survive, or some kind of post-death hell that you are roaming because nothing could survive in here, inside the trip, inside the zoo of the mind.....
From a recent trip journal: "waking up on islands of poisonous snakes. Climbing the walls... eating the dead. Bewitched. Accursed. Poisoned."
Actually that was quite a rateable trip, but it was so much stronger than I was expecting and I was too tired for that kind of experience. The trip seemed to hold me in a vice-like death grip whilst it opened up my mind to these kind of strange demons / aliens from beyond. A very strange kind of fevered delusional nightmare.
I must admit that since I've learned to just lie back and not fight it, these kind of trips have become easier to handle. But still, jesus....

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In some cases I think I do basically lose consciousness and fall into some weird kind of high-velocity sleep full of churning fractal dreams
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When the trip gets a bit out of control, goes beyond what you would need for a nice spiritual epiphany and a bit of euphoria, and just loops endlessly in fragmented nightmares, I think of this as the "zoo" (after a couple of weird zoo-themed trips). My mind is like a zoo and my thoughts are like escaped animals rampaging around my head, and the whole world is an evil place full of things breeding and mutating and eating each other in a senseless spiral of survival.

As for the levels....they give people some indication of how strong trips can get but I usually prefer not to refer to them in describing actual trips. If level 5 is some kind of doorway to other realities, these zoo trips are like getting stuck inside the door
I found out a bit more about the origins of the level system and posted it here - Are your mushroom experiences anything like the levels listed here?
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musiclover420
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Sounds like a borderline blackout dose to me. Past a certain point your brain just tends to get overloaded which causes the confusion.
What kind of aya brews have you tried? Sounds like you may be ready to start working with caapi! Start with a weaker/ common one like yellow to be safe though.
Next time maybe try less dmt and more caapi/ maoi's. You may get a much more "useful" experience that actually has some depth to it instead of being overly intense.
Even caapi on its own can facilitate some "spiritual healing" of sorts. Some of the rarer varieties are pretty powerful on their own too I have heard!
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