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WaliX
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Czech Republic find, ID needed
#23796800 - 11/03/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello ive been hunting today in Czech Republic and ive found these im quite certain they are psilocybe species but im not sure and i need your help guys. Also this is my first post so bare with me, thank you.
Habitat: woods, leafy area near a path
Gills: brownish
Stem: white, hollow
Cap: brown, knobbed
Spore print color: In process
Bruising: Blue




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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23796811 - 11/03/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It might be Serbica and it's not inconsistent with cyanescens (though the cap is not wavy). Wait for a TI
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: jakefake]
#23796831 - 11/03/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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looks like azurescens to me, nice find!
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: xzylocybin]
#23796884 - 11/03/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: catnip40]
#23796935 - 11/03/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would guess them to be Psilocybe serbica.
Here's a good read for your area
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RiverDweller1



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or maybe Psilocybe arcana
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Anglerfish
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Cool find! Agree on P. serbica. Make sure they all bruise blue.
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: Anglerfish]
#23799954 - 11/04/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks guys, i think its psilocybe moravica
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23799981 - 11/04/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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WaliX said: i think its psilocybe moravica
Possibly. I really have no idea how to separate it from P. serbica or P. arcana.
How do you see it?
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: Anglerfish]
#23800106 - 11/04/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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 Psilocybe ?moravica? picked today
 Psilocybe bohemica picked today
http://www.en.psilosophy.info/species.php?big=xsib These shrooms in these photos look quite identical to those that i have picked today.
I hope this gives you an idea. I wish i could explain it better but im not deep into shroom terminology yet.
Edited by WaliX (11/04/16 08:58 AM)
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RiverDweller1



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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23800145 - 11/04/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It seems that microscopy may be needed to discern the species. Maybe someone will be interested in doing that for you. If you join MushroomObserver.org and post these (as two separate collections and observations) you are likely to find someone interested in scoping them. IDK how much interest there is, it seems the paper I linked above is recent and thoroughly discusses the micro features. Anyway, cool finds.
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maynardjameskeenan
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Aren't all those Psilocybes synonymous?
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23800599 - 11/04/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am pretty sure that the mushrooms in pic 1 are just more mature than the one in pic 2, but are all the same species.
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ambc
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: ambc]
#23800605 - 11/04/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am pretty certain that Psilocybe arcana is synonymous with P. serbica, I don't know about P. moravica.
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Quote:
maynardjameskeenan said: Aren't all those Psilocybes synonymous?
Here's the newest vs of a key I could find....
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WaliX
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_serbica
Wiki says P.bohemica, serbica, arcana and moravica are the same species.
Tho ive picked P.bohemica last year and they do/did look very different from P. ?moravica? (picture 1) Im getting a little frustated from not being able to identify them completely.
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23802381 - 11/05/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice find!
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hjalmar
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: xzylocybin]
#23802392 - 11/05/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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RiverDweller1 said: or maybe Psilocybe arcana
Psilocybe arcana, bohemica, moravica, germanica are all synonymous with psilocybe serbica. It looks like ps. serbica to me too. Nice find.
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xzylocybin said: looks like azurescens to me, nice find!
Very unlikely, azurescens is not native to Europe, also the cap shape is different.
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23802401 - 11/05/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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WaliX said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_serbica
Wiki says P.bohemica, serbica, arcana and moravica are the same species.
Tho ive picked P.bohemica last year and they do/did look very different from P. ?moravica? (picture 1) Im getting a little frustated from not being able to identify them completely.
I can't say for sure what the current consensus is on that. But if the ps. serbica complex is anything like the ps. cyanescens complex, there can be quite some variation.
I found these back in 2006:

none of them had wavy caps yet it was confirmed by Gaston Guzman to be ps. cyanescens. Just to give you an example.
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: hjalmar]
#23815746 - 11/09/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Found about 200 of these today at the same spot, still not quite sure which psilocybe it is but ive tried them and they are good.
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23816048 - 11/09/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That pine cone is awesome!
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: ambc]
#23816135 - 11/09/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very interesting to see that it likes it as a substrate, I thought it only colonized hard wood tree species.
I hope you find more and take more photos. We would really like more photos of this species.
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: knarkkorven]
#23816250 - 11/09/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ambc said: That pine cone is awesome!
Indeed! It kind of looks like a sailing ship! 
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knarkkorven said: Very interesting to see that it likes it as a substrate, I thought it only colonized hard wood tree species.
Psilocybe arcana apparently fruits in both hard wood and conifer habitat. I'd think the pine cone specimens perhaps would interest mycologists.
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I hope you find more and take more photos. We would really like more photos of this species. 
I concur. We want dozens of photos. From nipple close-ups to full spread. Show us some lamellae!
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: Anglerfish]
#23817740 - 11/09/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the collection in the first post is Psilocybe serbica var. bohemica.
The specimen in the image labeled 2 is certainly P. serbica var. bohemica.
The specimens in image 1 have a cap that is too reddish-brown in colour to be P. serbica var. moravica and that species is not usually as umbonate as these, it could be the rare P. serbica f. sternberkiana.
Were these all found in Moravia?
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hjalmar said: Very unlikely, azurescens is not native to Europe, also the cap shape is different.
Not native but certainly naturalised as is P. cyanescens.
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WaliX said:



Found about 200 of these today at the same spot, still not quite sure which psilocybe it is but ive tried them and they are good.
These actually look like P. azurescens but are probably P. serbica var. bohemica.
Edited by inski (11/09/16 10:14 PM)
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WaliX
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#23818138 - 11/10/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really wanted to take more pictures but when i found it the rush got over me and i got instantly into picking..finding a big flush is always so euphoric.
Yes, the pine cone is awesome i put it back in the same place it was next to sawdust. By the way ive found a lot of psilocybe bohemica also growing from pine cones.
Anyways im waiting for a big psilocybe bohemica flush late november/early december so ill definitely get you much more pictures.
And thank you all for your suggestions and help, much appreciated.
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Re: Czech Republic find, ID needed [Re: WaliX]
#24738593 - 10/26/17 08:48 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello guys,
They are just starting to grow in my area and so here are some photos of todays find of the same shrooms at the same place..im open to any suggestions as to which psilocybe this is. Also i will be back with some psilocybe bohemica photos in about a week or two.
Edit: Possible p.caerulipes / p.medullosa / p.moravica?
Edited by WaliX (10/26/17 11:39 AM)
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