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sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins?
#23796755 - 11/03/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel as if axes can give one a better "swing" and heavier "thud" compared to sword's "slices". I'm trying to decide which one should I get? I'm leaning towards a battle ax, but a small sword would be good as well.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#23796808 - 11/03/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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strength versus dexterity
axe has more swing, momentum, and damage per hit
sword is more agile, quicker, and can poke straight forward.
Personally I've never handled swords, but i've handled axes my whole life. I'd feel much more comfortable with that for a weapon than a sword.
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Well, Rome (gladius-short sword) absolutely ran train on the Germanic tribes of northern Europe (favored axes) right around Caesar's time.
This is a gross oversimplification. The Marian reforms reorganized roman combat significantly into the familiar well shielded divisions that fought in unison, while the tribes tended to fight disorganized, favoring one-on-one combat and personal glory. That probably had much more of an effect.
I'd go sword, personally, but I've been fencing saber for about a third of my life. Overall, I think a sword is more versatile, what with poking and slashing both being viable options, while axes are almost entirely slashing weapons. Axes also have a much larger moment of inertia, meaning that you commit more energy and time to each swing, and it is much harder to recover from a miss. Swords are generally better balanced, allowing easier recovery and better overall control. Plus, a stab wound deeper than 4 inches is quite lethal pretty much anywhere without medical treatment (maybe not if stabbed directly in the ass, that's a pretty safe place for a large wound due to few organs, fewer arteries, and really big butt-muscles protecting everything). You really don't need to bring Cloud's buster sword to any fight.
I don't think the idea of "strength vs. dexterity" as mentioned above applies in modern times, nor does the concept of "damage". Either one will mess you up pretty good with even a glancing blow. Of course, if you are concerned about the possibility of running into a Teutonic Knight wearing full plate, then an axe is probably the way to go. Inertia will work in your favor.
(note that bulletproof armor is pretty useless against blades unless it has specifically been reinforced with hard plates for the purpose of stopping a blade)
EDIT: I'd also add that if I was walking down the street and saw someone with a sword or an axe, I'd feel a whole lot safer than if I saw someone with a gun.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
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My weapon of choice is a wakizashi short sword.
2 foot long, weighing just a pound and a half, sharp as a razor.
A sumo wrestler built guy with a wakizashi. Be very afraid. I can literally slice your head or a limb off with that thing.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Asante]
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I would personally go with something that has a little more heft. Gladius comes to mind again. Or a primarily stabbing weapon, such as saber. Many of the Japanese swords have acquired near magical status due to Hollywood, but in reality, slicing through a spinal column with a thin wakizashi blade would likely render the weapon absolutely useless. Katanas, for example, were designed for an easy opening slash downwards on the skull, but samurai were trained to flick the blade, as if fly fishing. If the blade hit the brainpan (part of skull directly under brain) it would almost always get stuck hard enough that removal was likely to break the blade. As would any ding or scratch, because there just isn't enough cross sectional area to take the force of the blow and still keep an edge.
If you wanna go really vicious, get a triangular bladed knife. A regular linear stab wound can close up easily, or be stitched shut. A triangular stab wound, on the other hand, is very difficult to close.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
#23801546 - 11/04/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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In general I do believe a sword will beat out an Axe with people of comfortable skill with said weapon.
I gotta say though I would feel more comfortable in zombie apocalypse with two of these
 In my hands.
Would be cool though.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
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I'd feel more comfortable with a sword as long as it was a real sword with a well made strong blade and not some sword built for looks only. You can move fast with a sword and do a lot of damage with a bit of distance between you and the other person/people, where as an axe is a lot slower and clumsier. I guess a sword isn't as good for chopping wood though unless it's a heavy falchion type. A decent quality parang or machete would probably be a pretty good weapon. I quite like the medieval type swords.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
#23803293 - 11/05/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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nuentoter said: In general I do believe a sword will beat out an Axe with people of comfortable skill with said weapon.
I gotta say though I would feel more comfortable in zombie apocalypse with two of these
 In my hands.
[flash=,]https://youtu.be/YW8nckzt-Bc[/flash] Would be cool though.
Zombies are a different ballgame altogether. They don't really dodge or try to avoid attacks, so the benefits of a sword are moot.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
#23803590 - 11/05/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This thread just SCREAMS for the best of both worlds.. the Chinese War Sword.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
#23805394 - 11/06/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting. You know a lot about swords? I could do a google and find where to get them or you can lead me to the right sources for real swords?
Triangular bladed knives would mean I'd have to be up close and personal with the opponent whereas a sword or an ax would not necessarily be so. Are these still made, the weapons you mentioned?
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Kryptos said: I would personally go with something that has a little more heft. Gladius comes to mind again. Or a primarily stabbing weapon, such as saber. Many of the Japanese swords have acquired near magical status due to Hollywood, but in reality, slicing through a spinal column with a thin wakizashi blade would likely render the weapon absolutely useless. Katanas, for example, were designed for an easy opening slash downwards on the skull, but samurai were trained to flick the blade, as if fly fishing. If the blade hit the brainpan (part of skull directly under brain) it would almost always get stuck hard enough that removal was likely to break the blade. As would any ding or scratch, because there just isn't enough cross sectional area to take the force of the blow and still keep an edge.
If you wanna go really vicious, get a triangular bladed knife. A regular linear stab wound can close up easily, or be stitched shut. A triangular stab wound, on the other hand, is very difficult to close.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
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I may agree with you as I think a sword does seem to have faster "action" than an ax, plus longer blades mean longer slices. I guess depends on what kind of ax it is as I think those battle axes are different than wood chopping axes. I wonder if tri blade swords exists?
I think body armor also play an important role in security and safety, one can't just start swinging senseless without body armor. I was able to find some stab proof vest and bullet proof vest as well. Those bullet proof vest come in different levels like 1 2 3, I'm assuming level 3 provides better protection. I may have read that in some jurisdiction a body armor is illegal. They call this "ballistics" I guess?
There was an article I read that "right to bear arms" only applies to guns that came out during the 1800s like rifles and pistols, so pretty much anyone can buy a pistol without going through the hassles? These are usually one bullet loading guns, not semi automatic with several rounds. Some shotguns are "legal" to own without the hassles involved. Doesn't a shotgun use non sharp bullets meaning it can't really puncture therefore that's why some shotguns are legal to own like the super shorty shotgun:

I started this thread to get into weaponry that require no licensing since this forum is the "security and safety" forum. Anyone defenseless can be taken advantage of.
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I gotta say though I would feel more comfortable in zombie apocalypse with two of these
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[flash=,]https://youtu.be/YW8nckzt-Bc[/flash] Would be cool though.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
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A lot of that depends on which state you live in. In Maine I can personally sell you any legal firearm (no full auto, no cut shotguns) without anything besides a sales receipt. No federal firearms licence dealer, no background check. No requirement for registration, and anyone can carry a concealed weapon without any special card or anything.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
#23811121 - 11/07/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Type 1 bulletproof vests are like cop kevlar. Type 3 are what they put on soldiers about to enter battle, probably not even regular patrol duty. It's like 50 pounds and fairly bulky. Type 4 looks similar to the explosive ordinance vest the guy was wearing in Hurt Locker. Very impractical for daily wear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest#Performance_standards
Honestly, if I'm going for personal protection, I have a hoodie that I sewed a bunch of chainmail (had a buddy that liked to LARP, he hooked me up with a metalsmith) into the insides covering hood, joints and chest. I also have hooks by the elbows, to hold two metal bars shaped like cop nightsticks, with the long side protecting my forearms for blocking blunt weapon swings. Hold the part that sticks out at a right angle in your hands. I can take rubber bullets (still hurts like a bitch, but not incapacitating, leaves a good 10 inch bruise) and probably a glancing blade easy, and overall it's fairly light (15-20 lb, plus another ~20 for the bars). It's basically my version of riot gear, and I've gotten to use it twice now in some minor local kerfuffles (one of which was basically school sponsored!). For me, it was important that it *look* like a regular hoodie from the outside.
If you want something that's gonna mess someone up efficiently, without guns or carrying a giant weapon around, I'd just get a solid combat knife. I have an old Romanian AK bayonet I keep in my trunk. It's got grindstones laid in the sheath so I sharpen it every time I use it, and while I've never used it as a weapon, it can cut open canned food no problem. It is also excellent for slicing assorted fruits and vegetables. Works to whittle, and gut fish. An excellent all-round camping knife, overall.
For less deep-woods scenarios, I've got a butterfly knife. Don't carry it on my person, but it's quite pointy and if a job is likely to require a pointy, I'll grab it. It's mainly a toy (that has left some scars), in my opinion.
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It probably does, and if not, I'm sure deep pockets and a professional blacksmith could make it exist. It would kind of take some of the usefulness out of the sword, as it would no longer swing easy (more drag), turning it into a poking weapon. at that point, get yourself a foil or some other sword that is basically a long spike. Think stiletto. The idea being not to cause mortal bleeding (like the triangle knife) but to poke holes in vital organs (stiletto was designed to sneak up behind someone, stab down into rib cage through collarbone opening by neck on left side, and pierce heart/aorta. Takes way less force/muscle than slitting someone's throat).
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
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i used to sell NIJ threat level IIIa body armor. There are concealable IIIa vests made of UHMWPE that weigh less than 8 lbs. That being said, i read about people getting stabbed more often than shot in the newspapers around here.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: ballsalsa]
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I might be confusing police and military levels, I haven't dug into vests in a while. Either way, what stops a bullet won't necessarily stop a knife.
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#23811234 - 11/07/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23811247 - 11/07/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually, I happened across this the other day:
Might be relevant. No idea what this dude does, haven't seen any of his other videos.
For people like me who more often than not skip videos, some dude is using a steel tread plate and some random...back plate thingy to make an armadillo shell type back armor.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Yeah stabs are "low key" assaults (since no can can hear it like gunshots). I would assume stab proof vests can protect one from bullets as well if it's long range shots, not close range. Considering a powerful stab with a sharp object is possibly as strong as a bullet.
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Funny how politics allow easy gun sale in low crime states whereas in places like Chicago it is almost impossible to get self defense guns, which is probably why people take the illegal route and thus the more paranoid they are with their illegal handgun the more they are likely to snap at someone perceived as a "threat" by using their gun!
Are out of staters allowed to go to Maine to purchase a gun and bring it back to their home state or it changes jurisdictions?
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
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but could a bullet proof vest stop a stab?
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
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My understanding is that anyone can come to Maine and buy a gun. As soon as you leave Maine, and cross into another state, then their laws apply.
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
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Unless specifically designed to stop a knife, a bullet proof vest will not protect you from a stabbing.
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You can buy a long gun pretty much anywhere in the country outside a city with, at most, a 5 minute background check.
@OP, the more armor, the greater the advantage the axe has. Wearing modern casual clothing, armor penetration is hardly an issue.
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I find it strange that in the most likely location one needs a gun (the city) is where guns have the most restriction, whereas a place like Maine, which probably has zero shootings has liberal gun laws.
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Country folk get far more use out of their guns (targets and hunting) than city folk. There are also plenty of gun accidents and homicides in the country, please remember correlation doesn't mean causation. I'm pro-second amendment, but I don't buy this "gun laws cause violence" theorem
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Yeah, I think city is one of the worse place to have guns. Too much potential for collateral damage. During my undergrad, we got emails from the University PD for anything that happened, and one time we got an email about a bullet that flew clear across a river and broke a window in a classroom. During class.
Also, I think this bear mentioning, and I'm frankly surprised noone has quoted it yet: "Guns are for show, Knives for a pro"
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I would assume anything that can be bullet proof can also be knife proof because I'd think bullets have a stronger impact.
Are these types of vests generally heavy to wear and walk around daily with?
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Are these types of vests generally heavy to wear and walk around daily with?
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Kryptos said: Unless specifically designed to stop a knife, a bullet proof vest will not protect you from a stabbing.
you would assume incorrectly. Piercing weapons will generally go right through soft body armor unless designed to stop a blade. That includes arrows BTW. There are vests that are designed to stop a blade through friction (the blade will get stuck) but these are bulkier and less concealable. The vests that cops wear are often this type. Even so, these types of armor will often still allow you to be stabbed, but only once, and not very deep. Concealable soft body armor can weigh very little. maybe 6 lbs. but again, it won't protect you from piercing weapons
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
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Counterintuitively, a bullet has very little actual kinetic energy due to it's small weight. A solid lunge puts significantly more force behind a knife point than is pushing a bullet.
It's actually quite easy to kick through cheap bulletproof glass.
I was under the impression that cop stab vests were regular bulletproof vests, but with pockets for hard plates covering vital organs?
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hard plates are an option, but cops rarely wear them for comfort reasons. The departments know this and tend to opt for a bulkier soft armor. like i said, it stops piercing weapons with friction. expect up to an inch of penetration with a perfect stab through. probably not enough to make it through the abdominal wall.
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That site sells real swords and not reenactment swords?
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2 foot long, weighing just a pound and a half, sharp as a razor.
A sumo wrestler built guy with a wakizashi. Be very afraid. I can literally slice your head or a limb off with that thing.
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Would a throwing axe be a good option than just an axe? I'd assume a throwing axe is lighter in weight, therefore more swing and momentum. Check out the spec on this one:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Whetstone-Frontiersman-Throwing-Axe-Hatchet/23842263
By the way, is it illegal to be carrying an axe or sword in the car? Would that be considered a concealed weapon?
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axe has more swing, momentum, and damage per hit
sword is more agile, quicker, and can poke straight forward.
Personally I've never handled swords, but i've handled axes my whole life. I'd feel much more comfortable with that for a weapon than a sword.
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CLIT said: That site sells real swords and not reenactment swords?
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Asante said: My weapon of choice is a wakizashi short sword.
2 foot long, weighing just a pound and a half, sharp as a razor.
A sumo wrestler built guy with a wakizashi. Be very afraid. I can literally slice your head or a limb off with that thing.
I highly recommend CAS Iberia
They sell reenactment swords as well as real swords
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chibiabos
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Asante]
#24577279 - 08/24/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know a Hanwei wholesaler. I actually got one of the last batch of sables before the Rock Creek forge burned down, through him. Ironically, it's too nice to actually use like it's intended to be used. Just goes to show you that "Made in China" isn't synonymous with "cheap crap."
I also call total bullshit on anybody who claims to own a katana or a wakizashi for any other reason than they think that it looks cool. At least Hanwei reinforces their scabbards so that you won't cut your own fingers off drawing the edge out. They did that on those "tactical" katanas and whatnot, at least.
FYI, the Japanese barely used swords in combat. They preferred shooting at each other. And the samurai never really gave a crap about swords until guns were introduced. Neither did Europeans, oddly enough. Turns out that, practically, swords are way more trouble than they're worth.
Anyway...In this modern world you're honestly better off learning how to wield a bludgeon than anything with an edge on it.
http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighting.html
Edited by chibiabos (08/24/17 05:15 PM)
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: chibiabos]
#24577378 - 08/24/17 05:49 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I feel like my best bet is like this...
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: trollbutter]
#24577392 - 08/24/17 05:53 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Legally speaking, your best bet for a weapon to carry is a gun. That's not because a gun is going to do you fuck all good. It's just because carrying pretty much anything else is a felony in a lot of places. Even having a modicum of intent to hit an assailant with your bike lock is enough to to stick you with a felony, in my state at least. Which is to say that the law says so and there is legal precedent for doing so.
Edited by chibiabos (08/24/17 05:53 PM)
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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
#24630846 - 09/15/17 03:17 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nope.
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