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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
    #23815275 - 11/09/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My understanding is that anyone can come to Maine and buy a gun. As soon as you leave Maine, and cross into another state, then their laws apply.


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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
    #23817692 - 11/09/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Unless specifically designed to stop a knife, a bullet proof vest will not protect you from a stabbing.

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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
    #23828896 - 11/13/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You can buy a long gun pretty much anywhere in the country outside a city with, at most, a 5 minute background check.

@OP, the more armor, the greater the advantage the axe has. Wearing modern casual clothing, armor penetration is hardly an issue.


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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Crumist]
    #23853192 - 11/21/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I find it strange that in the most likely location one needs a gun (the city) is where guns have the most restriction, whereas a place like Maine, which probably has zero shootings has liberal gun laws.

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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
    #23854848 - 11/21/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Country folk get far more use out of their guns (targets and hunting) than city folk. There are also plenty of gun accidents and homicides in the country, please remember correlation doesn't mean causation. I'm pro-second amendment, but I don't buy this "gun laws cause violence" theorem


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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Crumist]
    #23855869 - 11/21/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I think city is one of the worse place to have guns. Too much potential for collateral damage. During my undergrad, we got emails from the University PD for anything that happened, and one time we got an email about a bullet that flew clear across a river and broke a window in a classroom. During class.

Also, I think this bear mentioning, and I'm frankly surprised noone has quoted it yet: "Guns are for show, Knives for a pro"

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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
    #23859474 - 11/23/16 04:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would assume anything that can be bullet proof can also be knife proof because I'd think bullets have a stronger impact.

Are these types of vests generally heavy to wear and walk around daily with?

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Unless specifically designed to stop a knife, a bullet proof vest will not protect you from a stabbing.



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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
    #23860021 - 11/23/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would assume anything that can be bullet proof can also be knife proof because I'd think bullets have a stronger impact.

Are these types of vests generally heavy to wear and walk around daily with?

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Kryptos said:
Unless specifically designed to stop a knife, a bullet proof vest will not protect you from a stabbing.








you would assume incorrectly.  Piercing weapons will generally go right through soft body armor unless designed to stop a blade.  That includes arrows BTW.  There are vests that are designed to stop a blade through friction (the blade will get stuck) but these are bulkier and less concealable.  The vests that cops wear are often this type.  Even so, these types of armor will often still allow you to be stabbed, but only once, and not very deep.  Concealable soft body armor can weigh very little.  maybe 6 lbs.  but again, it won't protect you from piercing weapons


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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
    #23862383 - 11/24/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Counterintuitively, a bullet has very little actual kinetic energy due to it's small weight. A solid lunge puts significantly more force behind a knife point than is pushing a bullet.

It's actually quite easy to kick through cheap bulletproof glass.

I was under the impression that cop stab vests were regular bulletproof vests, but with pockets for hard plates covering vital organs?

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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Kryptos]
    #23862391 - 11/24/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

hard plates are an option, but cops rarely wear them for comfort reasons.  The departments know this and tend to opt for a bulkier soft armor.  like i said, it stops piercing weapons with friction.  expect up to an inch of penetration with a perfect stab through.  probably not enough to make it through the abdominal wall.


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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Asante]
    #24571431 - 08/22/17 10:21 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

That site sells real swords and not reenactment swords?

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My weapon of choice is a wakizashi short sword.

2 foot long, weighing just a pound and a half, sharp as a razor.

A sumo wrestler built guy with a wakizashi. Be very afraid. I can literally slice your head or a limb off with that thing.

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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: nuentoter]
    #24571480 - 08/22/17 10:51 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Would a throwing axe be a good option than just an axe? I'd assume a throwing axe is lighter in weight, therefore more swing and momentum. Check out the spec on this one:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Whetstone-Frontiersman-Throwing-Axe-Hatchet/23842263

By the way, is it illegal to be carrying an axe or sword in the car? Would that be considered a concealed weapon?

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strength versus dexterity

axe has more swing, momentum, and damage per hit

sword is more agile, quicker, and can poke straight forward.

Personally I've never handled swords, but i've handled axes my whole life. I'd feel much more comfortable with that for a weapon than a sword.



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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
    #24575708 - 08/24/17 03:36 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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That site sells real swords and not reenactment swords?

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Asante said:
My weapon of choice is a wakizashi short sword.

2 foot long, weighing just a pound and a half, sharp as a razor.

A sumo wrestler built guy with a wakizashi. Be very afraid. I can literally slice your head or a limb off with that thing.

I highly recommend CAS Iberia








They sell reenactment swords as well as real swords


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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: Asante]
    #24577279 - 08/24/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I know a Hanwei wholesaler.  I actually got one of the last batch of sables before the Rock Creek forge burned down, through him.  Ironically, it's too nice to actually use like it's intended to be used.  Just goes to show you that "Made in China" isn't synonymous with "cheap crap."

I also call total bullshit on anybody who claims to own a katana or a wakizashi for any other reason than they think that it looks cool.  At least Hanwei reinforces their scabbards so that you won't cut your own fingers off drawing the edge out.  They did that on those "tactical" katanas and whatnot, at least.

FYI, the Japanese barely used swords in combat.  They preferred shooting at each other.  And the samurai never really gave a crap about swords until guns were introduced.  Neither did Europeans, oddly enough.  Turns out that, practically, swords are way more trouble than they're worth.

Anyway...In this modern world you're honestly better off learning how to wield a bludgeon than anything with an edge on it.

http://nononsenseselfdefense.com/knifefighting.html

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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: chibiabos]
    #24577378 - 08/24/17 05:49 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I feel like my best bet is like this...


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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: trollbutter]
    #24577392 - 08/24/17 05:53 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Legally speaking, your best bet for a weapon to carry is a gun.  That's not because a gun is going to do you fuck all good.  It's just because carrying pretty much anything else is a felony in a lot of places.  Even having a modicum of intent to hit an assailant with your bike lock is enough to to stick you with a felony, in my state at least.  Which is to say that the law says so and there is legal precedent for doing so.

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Re: sword battle vs. ax battle, who wins? [Re: CLIT]
    #24630846 - 09/15/17 03:17 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Nope.

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