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should prisoners have access to weed?..
    #23796090 - 11/02/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i know some of them already do, but im talking about like how it is on the outside. i know prisons are meant to be tough, but i think it would benefit everyone cuz it would make the prisoners less violent and well they're already away from their families and stuff and some would say that is punishment enough..

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    #23796106 - 11/02/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23796113 - 11/02/16 10:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think everyone should have access to weed.





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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796115 - 11/02/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i think they should, but they should be monitored when they are stoned....

Some people get more violent on weed. Strang i know. Its rare, but some people have a psychotic break during weed. So its not for everyone.

Once they prove their "weed innocence", they should sell weed at the stores they have around in prison.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #23796121 - 11/02/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If they can't have cigarettes or alcohol, there's no argument you could ever make that is going to give them access to weed.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796125 - 11/02/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True.

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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23796126 - 11/02/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Lucis]
    #23796127 - 11/02/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think everyone should have access to weed.





This.




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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796138 - 11/02/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..




Whoa.

imagine, a dedicated Green Room.

What if.....they had bloods and crips smoke in that room at the same time. The premise is: "You can smoke weed, but only if in the same room as your rivals. Do u accept?"

I wonder what would happen next...:popcorn:


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #23796148 - 11/02/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Bad things.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23796151 - 11/02/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Bad things.




You dont know thay :mad2:

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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 5
    #23796167 - 11/02/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know weed is a hippie happy love drug but it never stopped a thug from being a thug. Weed in a prison would likely cause more problems than provide benefits. I suppose it could work in very specific circumstances but it likely just generally wouldn't be awfully smart. For as many people that it calms and relaxes plenty more get incredibly anxious and uncomfortable. And then there is some that would use it to calm their nerves to do bad things.


I've known very violent people who smoked weed and weren't any less violent for it.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23796168 - 11/02/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

would be interesting.. i think they might actually get along, weed seems to bring people together regardless of their backgrounds.. stoners have the most interesting friends, no lie..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796177 - 11/02/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hmmmm, teo exact opposites. Its definitely a wild card.

My friends cousin was a full on criminal, went to prison for stabbing a dude while drunk.

The weed didnt do shit, he was just plain fucking hardcore ganster.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796180 - 11/02/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If they can't have cigarettes or alcohol, there's no argument you could ever make that is going to give them access to weed.




tobacco is very bad for ur health tho, its medical properties are extremely limited, same with alcohol, weed cures all kinds of ailments and diseases, shit it cured my dog's parvo once.. cigs and alcohol can't do that..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23796181 - 11/02/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I know weed is a hippie happy love drug but it never stopped a thug from being a thug. Weed in a prison would likely cause more problems than provide benefits. I suppose it could work in very specific circumstances but it likely just generally wouldn't be awfully smart. For as many people that it calms and relaxes plenty more get incredibly anxious and uncomfortable. And then there is some that would use it to calm their nerves to do bad things.


I've known very violent people who smoked weed and weren't any less violent for it.






You're right.

Some people might use pot to mellow their nerves before doing some thug stuff.

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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Lucis]
    #23796196 - 11/02/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

fuck yes
they should pretty much be the only ones smoking it 24/7 anyway


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #23796198 - 11/02/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, but I think as a medicine there should be no issues about providing that to prisoners.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Lucis]
    #23796209 - 11/02/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Glad you guys agree.  Thought I was going to have to :box: here


I do believe, for people who are ill, it should be available as any other medicine. Without the THC. Or very low THC.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23796211 - 11/02/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yea there are some folks who it seems the weed doesn't effect them much, but i think there are still lots of peeps in prison who are affected by it in a very positive way.. i think it should be treated like a medicine and peeps should be evaluated beforehand..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796215 - 11/02/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796217 - 11/02/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i know some of them already do, but im talking about like how it is on the outside. i know prisons are meant to be tough, but i think it would benefit everyone cuz it would make the prisoners less violent and well they're already away from their families and stuff and some would say that is punishment enough..

discuss..




Lol dude...some prisoners will kill people FOR weed. Everyone has a potential for violence, but some of those guys are in there because violence is just a part of who they are, smoking some weed doesn't help those kinds of people. I say let all the criminals who are in for victim-less crimes have access to it but they or their family pays for it.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Sanguin3]
    #23796221 - 11/02/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think everyone should have access to weed.





THINK OF THE CHILDREN! :awehigh:



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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Lucis]
    #23796232 - 11/02/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're right.

Some people might use pot to mellow their nerves before doing some thug stuff.





i mean i don't think it should be allowed in the yard or anywhere outside of private grounds, restrictions would def be required to prevent these kinds of things.. they already have access to hard drugs like meth or heroin, so i mean might as well get them mellow the right way.. i'll bet some peeps wouldn't even want weed..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796237 - 11/02/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm more against the idea of the establishment playing games with peoples lives than I am with a bunch of bored people smoking weed(because the bored people smoking pot don't cost you money!!!)


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796241 - 11/02/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do you think any of that would matter to the people making the decision? We're just barely getting the freedom to use weed at all. And don't go acting like weed is some harmless plant that does no bad while every other drug has it's downsides. Smoking anything is bad for you. Prisoners are not going to get vapes, they're lucky if they can buy some crappy overpriced clear plastic radio. So what's left? Edibles? Who's gonna make them? The prisoners? Yeah good luck with that, I can't see any problem at all there. Why don't you convince the prisons to hand out milk and cookies while you're at it :lolsy:.

That's all totally ignoring the fact that most people would view it as some kind of privilege or form of recreation and there aren't tons of people who have never been a prisoner themselves in favor of giving them another "luxury".

Assuming you get passed all that, guess what? A single high (or dose if you want to call it that) would cost you probably 20 or 30 dollars. There is no way in hell they're going to let someone drop off your "medicine" so it will have to all be done through official channels and they will price gouge the hell out of it because in the end prison isn't about punishment or correcting behavior, it's about making money for the people who run the prison. You think the average Joe is going to be able to afford that stuff? Or you think it's going to be the gangs that squeeze the average Joe of what little they have just so they don't get beat the fuck up or killed, that affords it?


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796255 - 11/02/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I feel like they should do "treatments" where it's administered in an isolated area if prisoners are legitamtely helped by it. But as mentioned it's never going to happen.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796269 - 11/02/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Assuming you get passed all that, guess what? A single high (or dose if you want to call it that) would cost you probably 20 or 30 dollars.





Nigga gon buy him a stick for $5, have that green dot on lock shawty.

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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796274 - 11/02/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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You're right.

Some people might use pot to mellow their nerves before doing some thug stuff.





i mean i don't think it should be allowed in the yard or anywhere outside of private grounds, restrictions would def be required to prevent these kinds of things.. they already have access to hard drugs like meth or heroin, so i mean might as well get them mellow the right way.. i'll bet some peeps wouldn't even want weed..




They would find ways to smuggle it out of a safe room. All you'd do is increase their illicit supply. And the people who "wouldn't be allowed" to have it surely would. As it stands right now for the most part there is not a whole whole lot of drugs in most US prisions. Yeah some gets in but you really think they'd be making white lightning if they could just smoke weed or shoot dope?



Zzzz I know where your coming with this and it's a nice sentiment but it would be very impractical.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796280 - 11/02/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

it would be a "luxury" worthwhile cuz it's not like a tv or a pair of brand new sneakers, weed is a medicine, a very powerful one at that, it has a lot of medicinal value, it'd be more than just another luxury.. see we aren't just trying to get peeps high, we're trying to get them to chill out a bit.. cuz lets face it toughing them up only makes them tougher and not necessarily in a good way..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796286 - 11/02/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have heard of atleast one South American prison providing ayahuasca to their prisoners with success. I suppose in that sense a little weed isn't too crazy.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796287 - 11/02/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Why not just give them some heroin then if the idea is to just chill them out? Enough of the "it's a medicine" BS lol.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23796288 - 11/02/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Zzzz I know where your coming with this and it's a nice sentiment but it would be very impractical.




i don't know bro.. i think there might something there.. but i really like ur opinions on the matter, twas what i was hoping for when i made this thread..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #23796303 - 11/02/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why not just give them some heroin then if the idea is to just chill them out? Enough of the "it's a medicine" BS lol.




that's a whole different ball park, heroin is extremely addicting and doesn;t necessarily fix problems in the long run, it just completely masks them.. weed be making peeps think tho on the real..


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I feel like they should do "treatments" where it's administered in an isolated area if prisoners are legitamtely helped by it. But as mentioned it's never going to happen.




i think that would be the best approach..


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796314 - 11/02/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't want to be high in prison, fuck that shit.

South American prisons ain't no joke, people dropping like flies in there, shits gnarly, truly disturbing.


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    #23796324 - 11/02/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why not just give them some heroin then if the idea is to just chill them out? Enough of the "it's a medicine" BS lol.



Yeah guys heroin,meth and pot are all the same exact thing,the government even says so. Pot is highly addictive and kills people every day with no medicinal value . But alcohol isnt harmful at all as long as you're 21 :derp:

"Chilling people out" is extremely different from treating them with a medication that works for them. In Israel hospitals are equipped with smoking areas for medical marijuana.


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    #23796392 - 11/02/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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tobacco is very bad for ur health tho, its medical properties are extremely limited, same with alcohol, weed cures all kinds of ailments and diseases, shit it cured my dog's parvo once.. cigs and alcohol can't do that..




Weed doesn't cure anything. There are lots of medicinal uses for alcohol. You people claim pot is a medical therapy for insomnia, okay then so is alcohol. You smoke a joint to go to sleep and i drink four beers, there is no difference whatsoever. Same argument can be made for depression or aches and pains too. People get med pot for these things because pot is not legal, it's not the recommended treatment though. When pot becomes legal in an area these med pot cards should be invalidated as they no longer serve any purpose. You are using pot like I use alcohol so you should pay full price.
People got the idea that their medical exemption from a law meant they really need it, they are special, etc. This is why you see people medicating, and i use that term lightly, in public spaces with children around. I use beer the exact same way, medically, but I don't feel entitled to drink everywhere. The reason there is no license for medical beer is its already legal and if you want to use it for medical purposes you go the store buy some. Doctors are not condoning your pot use, just giving a card to avoid arrest for your off label use. I don't know why this message is not getting thru. Everyone with a med pot card sought it out, highly doubt a doctor recommended it. Medical pot users are some of the most entitled and misinformed people I ever met.
I only support med pot as a first step to legalization, it's not legit though. I really get annoyed when people say pot is medicine and alcohol is not.


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Wow :facepalm:


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    #23796410 - 11/03/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So how would you think this would work anyway? To you, it's the violent ones that should be using it, but the violent ones should have less privileges than any of them, in my opinion anyway. Some people in prison have been in and out for a large portion of their lives, to the point where they even feel at home being there. So to those people it really is just a luxury. How would you choose who gets to use it and who doesn't? I just don't see any practical way of going about it really. I don't think weed cures anything either, as far as I know.


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    #23796418 - 11/03/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You're right. The only people I've ever talked to that legitimately used weed medicinally were old people with arthritis or some other kind of debilitating condition. The rest were just younger people taking advantage of a loophole (can't blame 'em :shrug:) but won't admit that they don't need it at all and really just wanna get high whenever they want.


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    #23796430 - 11/03/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Then you should tell cancer patients that. I challenge you to find a person with cancer using medical marijuana and tell them it isn't medicine and that it's no different then the beers you drink at night. I'm not saying prisoners should have pot but don't fucking start about how Mmj is just a big excuse for people to get high because it isn't. It's saved thousands of toddlers lives and other seizure patients that basically have 1 option for treatment in pharmecutical realm. Not to mention about 10 other very serious very hard to treat ailments. You haven't met people who use it medically so they must not exist right? You know everyone in America that smokes medical pot. (Again I'm not saying there aren't people out there who get cards without need) but some people really do need it.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796431 - 11/03/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think psychedelics should be looked more than marijuana here for assisting the prison population. Psychedelics tend to promote pro-social behavior and enhance empathy - both commonly lacking in your typical inmates. many in jail often have difficulties in the areas of the brain that deal with decision making, mood, and aggression. anti-social personality disorder is common, and people with ADHD are more likely to end up in jail than your average person.

as for cannabis, i'm not sure it actually helps decrease aggressive behaivor, and i've been reading some conflicting data, some that points to cannabis use being correlated to increase aggressive behavior and worsening psychotic symptoms in other patients. I'm sure the latter is probably in high-THC cannabis.

all of this is kind of moot to the question as prisoners can usually get most drugs they want within reason


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    #23796442 - 11/03/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I never even mentioned alcohol. I also included "other debilitating conditions" which was meant to include people like cancer patients who are using it. But if you were to take all the med card patients and subtract the ones using it for reasons like cancer pains or arthritis or anything that's actually serious, you'd be left with a shit load of 20 somethings that "need it to sleep", "need it to eat", "need it for headaches" etc.


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    #23796451 - 11/03/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What is legitmate when it comes to a medicine? The seriousness of a condition is not relative to it's factuality. I have anxiety and depression, possibly bipolar. weed helps tremendously. All that being said the only person I've ever known to actually have a med license was my dad and he was bipolar 1, suffered from severe anxiety, had 25% heart functions and was recovering from strokes.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23796462 - 11/03/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23796475 - 11/03/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What is legitmate when it comes to a medicine? The seriousness of a condition is not relative to it's factuality. I have anxiety and depression, possibly bipolar. weed helps tremendously. All that being said the only person I've ever known to actually have a med license was my dad and he was bipolar 1, suffered from severe anxiety, had 25% heart functions and was recovering from strokes.




good point, there are plenty of medical uses that the plant provides for prisoners, I wasn't really speaking in that sense though. There are plenty of those who are perfectly fine ripping off the patients approved for recieving it as a medicine however, so it would still need to be closely controlled... perhaps sectioning off a portion of the prison that the prisoners are administrated their cannabis meds in the form of edibles or tincture... but edibles only in the form of bran muffins because hey you're still in jail buddy.


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    #23796487 - 11/03/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I never even mentioned alcohol. I also included "other debilitating conditions" which was meant to include people like cancer patients who are using it. But if you were to take all the med card patients and subtract the ones using it for reasons like cancer pains or arthritis or anything that's actually serious, you'd be left with a shit load of 20 somethings that "need it to sleep", "need it to eat", "need it for headaches" etc.



Reply fail , I was talking to third eye when he said medical marijuana is no different than him having four beers at night. I said in my first posts if they can prove that it's an effective medication it really should be a possibility. I wonder how many people get extremely sick and waste tons of money getting scans, anti-nausea medication or anti-depressants and other pharms simply because they can't smoke weed. I feel like it would dramatically cut down the need for immediate medical attention through the prison system.  Also like I said before I don't necessarily think it's a great idea in prison for most people .

I do understand what you're saying, most my friends that smoke cannabis can easily get a card and usually don't have medical problems. However someone like myself or my ex-girlfriend Who have a documented medical history since a young age, it really can be a lifesaver. I saw the best gastroenterologist in California,in Loma Linda U and  after extensive tests  they determined that the best thing for me off the record it was medical marijuana. So to generalize that into "millennial's" are all faking medical conditions  is an extremely cynical view point .  My ex-girlfriend is the only person I've ever met that I know for sure needs medical cannabis just as much as I do. She has bad seizures, migraines and incredible stomach pains. The seizures are bad though,she had to go to the hospital several times recently before I was with her. With the help of medical cannabis she doesn't have any seizures at all.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796508 - 11/03/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If they can't have cigarettes or alcohol, there's no argument you could ever make that is going to give them access to weed.



Sone jails and prisons allow e-cigs. So what about the possibility of them getting a marijuana ecig?

I know this would obviously never happen though.


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    #23796539 - 11/03/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There's still the recreational aspect to overcome regardless of delivery method. People can call it medicine or whatever all they want, there's still a massive population that only see it as a recreational drug and like I said earlier, a lot of people aren't too keen on making prisoner's lives more comfortable or enjoyable.

Plus with the way the FDA is coming down on the industry, I wouldn't be too surprised if ecigs are abolished from prisons and jails entirely in the near future.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23796549 - 11/03/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It all depends really. I wouldnt want to put tax dollars to giving rapists, serial murderers or pedos access to smoking weed. Let alone a lot of other things.


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    #23796610 - 11/03/16 03:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes,

They should also have hookers, blow, mushrooms, and should be able to leave whenever they like, because we know they'd come back for the weed


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23796654 - 11/03/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"medicinal beer"

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    #23796656 - 11/03/16 03:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of alcoholics get hooked on it's anxiolytic or anti-depressive qualities.


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    #23796658 - 11/03/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

huh.

It prevents depression?


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    #23796659 - 11/03/16 03:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds weird because it's a depressant but it's certainly an effect I've witnessed abused.


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    #23796662 - 11/03/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So weird. But makes sense. Basically numbs you so you cant become depressed. Ive seen my friend go thru it while drunk, its pretty sad.


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    #23796776 - 11/03/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It sounds weird because it's a depressant but it's certainly an effect I've witnessed abused.




there is a response from dopaminergic receptors in the mesolimbic system from acetaldehyde, which is what is formed from enzymes breaking it down.


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    #23796828 - 11/03/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..





did you just say "dorms"

prison isnt college man :lol:


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    #23796836 - 11/03/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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    #23796846 - 11/03/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Free weed in prisons would probably lead to stoners going to prison deliberately


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    #23796851 - 11/03/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think psychedelics should be looked more than marijuana here for assisting the prison population. Psychedelics tend to promote pro-social behavior and enhance empathy - both commonly lacking in your typical inmates. many in jail often have difficulties in the areas of the brain that deal with decision making, mood, and aggression. anti-social personality disorder is common, and people with ADHD are more likely to end up in jail than your average person.




I'm sure jail is an odd enough concept without them putting LSD in the water too. I think a lot of people would genuinely lose their fucking shit. :lol:


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    #23796858 - 11/03/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think everyone should have access to weed.




I think Prisoner#1 should have access to weed, lots of weed at no cost to him


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    #23796862 - 11/03/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..





did you just say "dorms"

prison isnt college man :lol:





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    #23796875 - 11/03/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're right.

Some people might use pot to mellow their nerves before doing some thug stuff.





i mean i don't think it should be allowed in the yard or anywhere outside of private grounds, restrictions would def be required to prevent these kinds of things.. they already have access to hard drugs like meth or heroin, so i mean might as well get them mellow the right way.. i'll bet some peeps wouldn't even want weed..




They would find ways to smuggle it out of a safe room. All you'd do is increase their illicit supply. And the people who "wouldn't be allowed" to have it surely would. As it stands right now for the most part there is not a whole whole lot of drugs in most US prisions. Yeah some gets in but you really think they'd be making white lightning if they could just smoke weed or shoot dope?



Zzzz I know where your coming with this and it's a nice sentiment but it would be very impractical.




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yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..





did you just say "dorms"

prison isnt college man :lol:





you ever been to college?
you ever been to prison?





i have been to jail. not college



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    #23796992 - 11/03/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

dorm rooms feel a lot like a prison layout. Never been to prison but have seen a bunch of videos that featured a modern prison :shrug:

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    #23797008 - 11/03/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Im just saying its funny to hear a shroomerite call a jail cell a "dorm" :lol:


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    #23797025 - 11/03/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..





did you just say "dorms"

prison isnt college man :lol:





you ever been to college?
you ever been to prison?





i have been to jail. not college



but hey...go back to your dorm pris :lol:





how can you even make the comparison if you havent been to both

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You're right.

Some people might use pot to mellow their nerves before doing some thug stuff.





i mean i don't think it should be allowed in the yard or anywhere outside of private grounds, restrictions would def be required to prevent these kinds of things.. they already have access to hard drugs like meth or heroin, so i mean might as well get them mellow the right way.. i'll bet some peeps wouldn't even want weed..




They would find ways to smuggle it out of a safe room. All you'd do is increase their illicit supply. And the people who "wouldn't be allowed" to have it surely would. As it stands right now for the most part there is not a whole whole lot of drugs in most US prisions. Yeah some gets in but you really think they'd be making white lightning if they could just smoke weed or shoot dope?



Zzzz I know where your coming with this and it's a nice sentiment but it would be very impractical.




You really believe there's not a lot of drugs in US prisons?

Don't be foolish




You're right. That's why addicts get themselves arrested. So then they can feed their habit and get free food.


I know it varries by alot, by facility and facility type, but generally I would say by comparison there isn't a whole lot of drugs. At least not enough that more than a few can "afford" them or have the power to even get them in. They need help from the outside and then they need to get it through all the way to the toilet and then they need to avoid having it confiscated. Comparatively. But if you make it so all they have to do is snatch a bud and take it from one room to another I'm sure it'd only be a matter of time the entire population would be smoking weed.


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    #23797153 - 11/03/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

IMO prisoners should not have access to any form of entertainment. Prison is suppose to be a consequence..

Also, half the time should be spent rehabing the person via training or therapy or whatever the fuck.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Patlal]
    #23797204 - 11/03/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So on that note: prison needs major reforms. From the ground up. Tossing them weed is a lazy bandaid that is actually a twist tie and will do nothing to ease the problems of the US prison system.


And just one small problem that most of you know is that some people are in there because of weed.


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    #23797242 - 11/03/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It all depends really. I wouldnt want to put tax dollars to giving rapists, serial murderers or pedos access to smoking weed. Let alone a lot of other things.






I just wanted to add, there are levels of prisons, your minimal/medium security prisons where you have your mostly drug related offenders/non violent offenders, and then you have the types of prisons you see on TV, which are for rapists, murderers, and pedos, those prisons are night and day in comparison.  The higher security prisons are where rapes, stabbings are happening often, with the lower security prisons holding mostly people that want to just do their time and move on with their lives. 

There are also areas of some prisons specifically set up for drug offenders only, this way you don't have someone doing 10-15 years housed with someone that is doing 2 years for non-violent drug offenses.  Someone doing 10-15 years is going to be in a much more vile mood the majority of the time, and the only time you will see someone who has done a long stretch of time mingling with the short time people, is if that long timer has had good behavior, and is going to parole/released soon, and is sent to a part of the prison where things aren't that rowdy.

Many prisons are work camps, and are based off the old school chain gangs, you go and do your time, and work during this time for the state.


It would be interesting to work with drug addicts in prisons, and see how cannabis fit into their mental health profile, which many inmates have a mental health profile.  I believe many inmates suffer from undiagnosed bi-polar, schizophrenia, ASD, or other mental health disorders, and their either left to the mercy of the prison system, which just creates career criminals, or they're so heavily medicated they can't take the appropriate steps one must take when going through incarceration in order to change the negative patterns which put them there to begin with.  I am not saying everyone should get a "get out of jail free card", some people commit horrible acts of depravity, and care nothing for human life, but also some people make poor choices at crucial moments in their lives, and might actually view incarceration as a means to get their mind straight, I can see how it would be hard for prison officials to try to separate the two, because many prisoners are two faced, just like the guards in prisons, they're often as crooked as the inmates.


I often wonder if instead of prescribing the numerous psych meds prisons prescribe, if cannabis would be a better alternative, I think for many it would, but as CookieCrumbs pointed out, some people are truly rotten to the core, and no amount of drugs will change that.  Of course I read not long ago that some company that works with prisons across the USA, was putting up some large amount of money to fight cannabis legalization, because this would put a dent in the amount of money they would be able to make on cannabis related arrests/convictions, how screwed up is that!


But the prison system is not going to change, if the US prison system did change, they would be wise to observe how many European nations treat inmates, take a look at some prisons in Scandinavian countries for example, they have lower rates of recidivism when compared to our "crime=money" routine we have going on here, which just creates a cycle of negative behaviors.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Patlal]
    #23797370 - 11/03/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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IMO prisoners should not have access to any form of entertainment. Prison is suppose to be a consequence..

Also, half the time should be spent rehabing the person via training or therapy or whatever the fuck.




Every prison should also incorporate trade schools so when they get out they can actually obtain employment, other than being a fucking janitor


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23797617 - 11/03/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They should unless they have a history of both mental health problems and violemt behaviour.

Definatley not alcohol though. That would end badly. Nicotine caffeine and weed should be available. And not just instant coffe. Atleast drip coffee or a french press. Preferably an espresso machine but we dont want to make the people who are in there for acctually doing bad things too comfortable.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23797624 - 11/03/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They should unless they have a history of both mental health problems and violemt behaviour.

Definatley not alcohol though. That would end badly. Nicotine caffeine and weed should be available. And not just instant coffe. Atleast drip coffee or a french press. Preferably an espresso machine but we dont want to make the people who are in there for acctually doing bad things too comfortable.



I love you bro, but thats quite honestly fucking ridiculous. French press coffee? Marijuana in jall?
How is this punishment at all?


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    #23797737 - 11/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They should unless they have a history of both mental health problems and violemt behaviour.

Definatley not alcohol though. That would end badly. Nicotine caffeine and weed should be available. And not just instant coffe. Atleast drip coffee or a french press. Preferably an espresso machine but we dont want to make the people who are in there for acctually doing bad things too comfortable.



I love you bro, but thats quite honestly fucking ridiculous. French press coffee? Marijuana in jall?
How is this punishment at all?




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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
    #23797852 - 11/03/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The goal of prison is to influence future behavior. Specifically, to prevent crime and to deter the person who committed crime from committing it again in the future. So to all you guys who just say "punishment," just "punishment" by itself is completely pointless and worthless unless you can use that punishment to influence future behavior to prevent crime (unless you intend to keep someone locked up forever). If you're not trying to lower or prevent crime then prisons are pointless.

Having said that, prisoners shouldn't have any access to drugs except those to which they are legitimately medically prescribed (and if they are seriously addicted to opiates then they should be prescribed something like suboxone to help them get clean while they're in prison).

Prisons should be entirely geared towards changing the behavior of prisoners. If that means punishment, then they should be punished. If that means reward then they should be rewarded. If that means locked them into a chair and performing the modern equivalent of shock therapy to change their personalities, then I'm all for it.

We need to do extensive and rigorous scientific studies on how to change the personalities and behaviors of prisoners in the long term, and then we need to use what we learn from those studies on prisoners in real life and monitor the results.


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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: nooneman]
    #23798073 - 11/03/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You know what. They shouldnt get weed unless they are prescribed it. I stand by the coffee thing though. Drip or french press.


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