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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: 404] 2
#23796851 - 11/03/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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404 said: I think psychedelics should be looked more than marijuana here for assisting the prison population. Psychedelics tend to promote pro-social behavior and enhance empathy - both commonly lacking in your typical inmates. many in jail often have difficulties in the areas of the brain that deal with decision making, mood, and aggression. anti-social personality disorder is common, and people with ADHD are more likely to end up in jail than your average person.
I'm sure jail is an odd enough concept without them putting LSD in the water too. I think a lot of people would genuinely lose their fucking shit.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Sanguin3] 3
#23796858 - 11/03/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sanguin3 said: I think everyone should have access to weed.
I think Prisoner#1 should have access to weed, lots of weed at no cost to him
that's just my opinion and I think it's a good one
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23796862 - 11/03/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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zZZz said: yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..
did you just say "dorms"
prison isnt college man 
you ever been to college? you ever been to prison?
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23796875 - 11/03/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some people might use pot to mellow their nerves before doing some thug stuff.
i mean i don't think it should be allowed in the yard or anywhere outside of private grounds, restrictions would def be required to prevent these kinds of things.. they already have access to hard drugs like meth or heroin, so i mean might as well get them mellow the right way.. i'll bet some peeps wouldn't even want weed..
They would find ways to smuggle it out of a safe room. All you'd do is increase their illicit supply. And the people who "wouldn't be allowed" to have it surely would. As it stands right now for the most part there is not a whole whole lot of drugs in most US prisions. Yeah some gets in but you really think they'd be making white lightning if they could just smoke weed or shoot dope?
Zzzz I know where your coming with this and it's a nice sentiment but it would be very impractical.
You really believe there's not a lot of drugs in US prisons?
Don't be foolish
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23796983 - 11/03/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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zZZz said: yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..
did you just say "dorms"
prison isnt college man 
you ever been to college? you ever been to prison?
i have been to jail. not college
but hey...go back to your dorm pris
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23796992 - 11/03/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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dorm rooms feel a lot like a prison layout. Never been to prison but have seen a bunch of videos that featured a modern prison 
Also, lets offer prisoners ice cream. Maybe they will chill the fuck out after a nice cone.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23797008 - 11/03/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im just saying its funny to hear a shroomerite call a jail cell a "dorm"
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23797025 - 11/03/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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zZZz said: yea that's what i was thinking, like they could send them to a separate room where it can be administered and then send them back to their dorms. that way they can't slang it or use it as tax like what happened with the cigs..
did you just say "dorms"
prison isnt college man 
you ever been to college? you ever been to prison?
i have been to jail. not college
but hey...go back to your dorm pris 
how can you even make the comparison if you havent been to both
we all know that in both colleges and prisons that naked pillow fights can happen
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: stzacrack]
#23797106 - 11/03/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some people might use pot to mellow their nerves before doing some thug stuff.
i mean i don't think it should be allowed in the yard or anywhere outside of private grounds, restrictions would def be required to prevent these kinds of things.. they already have access to hard drugs like meth or heroin, so i mean might as well get them mellow the right way.. i'll bet some peeps wouldn't even want weed..
They would find ways to smuggle it out of a safe room. All you'd do is increase their illicit supply. And the people who "wouldn't be allowed" to have it surely would. As it stands right now for the most part there is not a whole whole lot of drugs in most US prisions. Yeah some gets in but you really think they'd be making white lightning if they could just smoke weed or shoot dope?
Zzzz I know where your coming with this and it's a nice sentiment but it would be very impractical.
You really believe there's not a lot of drugs in US prisons?
Don't be foolish
You're right. That's why addicts get themselves arrested. So then they can feed their habit and get free food.
I know it varries by alot, by facility and facility type, but generally I would say by comparison there isn't a whole lot of drugs. At least not enough that more than a few can "afford" them or have the power to even get them in. They need help from the outside and then they need to get it through all the way to the toilet and then they need to avoid having it confiscated. Comparatively. But if you make it so all they have to do is snatch a bud and take it from one room to another I'm sure it'd only be a matter of time the entire population would be smoking weed.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: CookieCrumbs] 2
#23797153 - 11/03/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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IMO prisoners should not have access to any form of entertainment. Prison is suppose to be a consequence..
Also, half the time should be spent rehabing the person via training or therapy or whatever the fuck.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Patlal]
#23797204 - 11/03/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So on that note: prison needs major reforms. From the ground up. Tossing them weed is a lazy bandaid that is actually a twist tie and will do nothing to ease the problems of the US prison system.
And just one small problem that most of you know is that some people are in there because of weed.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: SonicTitan]
#23797242 - 11/03/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SonicTitan said: It all depends really. I wouldnt want to put tax dollars to giving rapists, serial murderers or pedos access to smoking weed. Let alone a lot of other things.
I just wanted to add, there are levels of prisons, your minimal/medium security prisons where you have your mostly drug related offenders/non violent offenders, and then you have the types of prisons you see on TV, which are for rapists, murderers, and pedos, those prisons are night and day in comparison. The higher security prisons are where rapes, stabbings are happening often, with the lower security prisons holding mostly people that want to just do their time and move on with their lives.
There are also areas of some prisons specifically set up for drug offenders only, this way you don't have someone doing 10-15 years housed with someone that is doing 2 years for non-violent drug offenses. Someone doing 10-15 years is going to be in a much more vile mood the majority of the time, and the only time you will see someone who has done a long stretch of time mingling with the short time people, is if that long timer has had good behavior, and is going to parole/released soon, and is sent to a part of the prison where things aren't that rowdy.
Many prisons are work camps, and are based off the old school chain gangs, you go and do your time, and work during this time for the state.
It would be interesting to work with drug addicts in prisons, and see how cannabis fit into their mental health profile, which many inmates have a mental health profile. I believe many inmates suffer from undiagnosed bi-polar, schizophrenia, ASD, or other mental health disorders, and their either left to the mercy of the prison system, which just creates career criminals, or they're so heavily medicated they can't take the appropriate steps one must take when going through incarceration in order to change the negative patterns which put them there to begin with. I am not saying everyone should get a "get out of jail free card", some people commit horrible acts of depravity, and care nothing for human life, but also some people make poor choices at crucial moments in their lives, and might actually view incarceration as a means to get their mind straight, I can see how it would be hard for prison officials to try to separate the two, because many prisoners are two faced, just like the guards in prisons, they're often as crooked as the inmates.
I often wonder if instead of prescribing the numerous psych meds prisons prescribe, if cannabis would be a better alternative, I think for many it would, but as CookieCrumbs pointed out, some people are truly rotten to the core, and no amount of drugs will change that. Of course I read not long ago that some company that works with prisons across the USA, was putting up some large amount of money to fight cannabis legalization, because this would put a dent in the amount of money they would be able to make on cannabis related arrests/convictions, how screwed up is that!
But the prison system is not going to change, if the US prison system did change, they would be wise to observe how many European nations treat inmates, take a look at some prisons in Scandinavian countries for example, they have lower rates of recidivism when compared to our "crime=money" routine we have going on here, which just creates a cycle of negative behaviors.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: Patlal]
#23797370 - 11/03/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: IMO prisoners should not have access to any form of entertainment. Prison is suppose to be a consequence..
Also, half the time should be spent rehabing the person via training or therapy or whatever the fuck.
Every prison should also incorporate trade schools so when they get out they can actually obtain employment, other than being a fucking janitor
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They should unless they have a history of both mental health problems and violemt behaviour.
Definatley not alcohol though. That would end badly. Nicotine caffeine and weed should be available. And not just instant coffe. Atleast drip coffee or a french press. Preferably an espresso machine but we dont want to make the people who are in there for acctually doing bad things too comfortable.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23797624 - 11/03/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: They should unless they have a history of both mental health problems and violemt behaviour.
Definatley not alcohol though. That would end badly. Nicotine caffeine and weed should be available. And not just instant coffe. Atleast drip coffee or a french press. Preferably an espresso machine but we dont want to make the people who are in there for acctually doing bad things too comfortable.
I love you bro, but thats quite honestly fucking ridiculous. French press coffee? Marijuana in jall? How is this punishment at all?
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: ModestMouse]
#23797737 - 11/03/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: They should unless they have a history of both mental health problems and violemt behaviour.
Definatley not alcohol though. That would end badly. Nicotine caffeine and weed should be available. And not just instant coffe. Atleast drip coffee or a french press. Preferably an espresso machine but we dont want to make the people who are in there for acctually doing bad things too comfortable.
I love you bro, but thats quite honestly fucking ridiculous. French press coffee? Marijuana in jall? How is this punishment at all?
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: zZZz]
#23797852 - 11/03/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The goal of prison is to influence future behavior. Specifically, to prevent crime and to deter the person who committed crime from committing it again in the future. So to all you guys who just say "punishment," just "punishment" by itself is completely pointless and worthless unless you can use that punishment to influence future behavior to prevent crime (unless you intend to keep someone locked up forever). If you're not trying to lower or prevent crime then prisons are pointless.
Having said that, prisoners shouldn't have any access to drugs except those to which they are legitimately medically prescribed (and if they are seriously addicted to opiates then they should be prescribed something like suboxone to help them get clean while they're in prison).
Prisons should be entirely geared towards changing the behavior of prisoners. If that means punishment, then they should be punished. If that means reward then they should be rewarded. If that means locked them into a chair and performing the modern equivalent of shock therapy to change their personalities, then I'm all for it.
We need to do extensive and rigorous scientific studies on how to change the personalities and behaviors of prisoners in the long term, and then we need to use what we learn from those studies on prisoners in real life and monitor the results.
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Re: should prisoners have access to weed?.. [Re: nooneman]
#23798073 - 11/03/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You know what. They shouldnt get weed unless they are prescribed it. I stand by the coffee thing though. Drip or french press.
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